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I fail to see what elevators have to do with civil discussion of a hobby.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Mike94656 wrote:
Is it bad that I personally know dalymiddleboro, and have for almost 7 years now, and the guy he is here on the forums isn't a thing what he is like in person. It's adorable that he is such a douche to internet strangers when he is a carebear in real life.

Sorry to blow up your spot buddy, you know I love ya like family, but tone it down. You make yourself and people who personally know you feel awkward for knowing you on the internet. Be yourself, and I'm sure the nice people of Dakka will love ya like I do =)

PS, your crap spam DE list is gonna get tabled by my mediocre space marines this weekend. You'll like it =)

Bro, do you even lift? Also, I'm like 90 wins and two losses against you. Take a few breaths pal.

So your friends can't even get through to you....

Oh well...

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I run:

Vect
5 venoms
4 raiders with splinter racks
3 ravagers
3x 3 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons each
50 warriors 3 w/ splinter cannons

Compared to the armies out there, i hardly view this as cheese...

You run no Lord of War, no allies, no fortifications, no 'deathstar'.

That isn't cheese, that's a competitive army from a lower tier codex which has been hit exceptionally hard by 6th.

Tell them to stfu.

A lot of this is playgroup dependent, if your playgroup is not, competitive then your list is too good.

That said, DE were always a poorly designed codex IMO because they hard counter certain armies due to mass poisoned shooting. SO if you are facing those armies it will likely not be a fun game.

Mike94656 wrote:
Is it bad that I personally know dalymiddleboro, and have for almost 7 years now, and the guy he is here on the forums isn't a thing what he is like in person. It's adorable that he is such a douche to internet strangers when he is a carebear in real life.

Sorry to blow up your spot buddy, you know I love ya like family, but tone it down. You make yourself and people who personally know you feel awkward for knowing you on the internet. Be yourself, and I'm sure the nice people of Dakka will love ya like I do =)

PS, your crap spam DE list is gonna get tabled by my mediocre space marines this weekend. You'll like it =)

Good. Now kiss.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I run:

Vect
5 venoms
4 raiders with splinter racks
3 ravagers
3x 3 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons each
50 warriors 3 w/ splinter cannons

Compared to the armies out there, i hardly view this as cheese...

You run no Lord of War, no allies, no fortifications, no 'deathstar'.

That isn't cheese, that's a competitive army from a lower tier codex which has been hit exceptionally hard by 6th.

Tell them to stfu.

Thanks dude!

For someone who doesn't care what other people think, you spend a lot of time trying to get vindication on the internet.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
For someone who doesn't care what other people think, you spend a lot of time trying to get vindication on the internet.

It just restores my faith in humanity a little bit, when someone with his head on his shoulders speaks up.

You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

Mike94656 wrote:
Is it bad that I personally know dalymiddleboro, and have for almost 7 years now, and the guy he is here on the forums isn't a thing what he is like in person. It's adorable that he is such a douche to internet strangers when he is a carebear in real life.

Sorry to blow up your spot buddy, you know I love ya like family, but tone it down. You make yourself and people who personally know you feel awkward for knowing you on the internet. Be yourself, and I'm sure the nice people of Dakka will love ya like I do =)

PS, your crap spam DE list is gonna get tabled by my mediocre space marines this weekend. You'll like it =)

Oh ya and is he really 29??? He doesnt act like it

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


You run no Lord of War, no allies, no fortifications, no 'deathstar'.

That isn't cheese, that's a competitive army from a lower tier codex which has been hit exceptionally hard by 6th.

Tell them to stfu.

DE haven't been hit hard by 6th, they where freaking incredible until Codex: Waveserpent hit the shelves. 4+ waveserpents and there isnt much a DE list can do. But luckily wave serpent spam seems to be getting flushed from the meta by all the deathstar lists. Something that DEs top list (venom spam) is VERY well equipped to deal with. Which has always been DEs role, as a foil for the meta. You can build your list to deal with 98% of whats out there and then a list with 9 venoms, 3 ravagers, and a beastpack rolls up and ruins your day.

Good article on Front Line Gaming about it: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/05/11/dark-eldar-the-ultimate-spoiler-army/

Also, I wouldn't really consider his list "competitive".

In my opinion every list that fills all its slots with almost the same units reveals some kind of WAAC attitude. While it isnt the most competitive list out there it smells somehow like cheese.

I just started a DE army and there are so many nice options in this codex, that i couldnt understand why I should only take one unit type in every slot. There is only one thing thats hard to avoid... multiple transports of the same Kind, cause you need them for mobility.

Your list is a typical spam list and there is no way to deny it. It will crush most of the guys who said they will defeat your list easily, cause most people dont even know what Dark Eldar CAN do. But its all the same with spam lists... rock, paper, scissors... some lists will kick your a.. badly.

If a casual gamer calls you list cheese he is absolutely right... all those Helldrakespam, Riptidespam, Bikerspam, XXXspam players just deserve it... they arent better than you.

Regards...

Steelmage99 wrote:
You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

It was the relic, and I finished his last unit off the table by turn 5. It was bloody and only had 2 ravagers, 7 kabalite warriors, and 3 splinterborn left on the table, but I still technically tabled tau. Instant deathing broadsides ftw.

Cool. What was his army?

MasterOfGaunts wrote:
In my opinion every list that fills all its slots with almost the same units reveals some kind of WAAC attitude. While it isnt the most competitive list out there it smells somehow like cheese.

I just started a DE army and there are so many nice options in this codex, that i couldnt understand why I should only take one unit type in every slot. There is only one thing thats hard to avoid... multiple transports of the same Kind, cause you need them for mobility.

Your list is a typical spam list and there is no way to deny it. It will crush most of the guys who said they will defeat your list easily, cause most people dont even know what Dark Eldar CAN do. But its all the same with spam lists... rock, paper, scissors... some lists will kick your a.. badly.

If a casual gamer calls you list cheese he is absolutely right... all those Helldrakespam, Riptidespam, Bikerspam, XXXspam players just deserve it... they arent better than you.

Regards...

I don't think this is quite fair. DE are a Glass cannon, and in order to win consistantly, they need to win big. They cannot afford to engage in anything resembling a fair fight, be it in shooting or CC. As such, DE lists suffer disporpotionly higher from taking "non-optimal" units in a list as it takes away from the ability to remove threats that WILL hurt the fragile DE units. There are a few DE units that are relatively durable, but outside the beastpack, all these units (grots, pain engines) lack the ability to do the kind of damage necessary to keep the rest of the DE army alive and active. Haemonculi Coven lists are good at losing slowly, but not much else.

All these reasons are why I had stated earlier that I don't play my DE in casual games, They win big or they lose big and against a non-optimized list, they win big, fast, and hard. Which isnt really fun for anyone involved. But in tournaments they are great for keeping Daemons, Tau, and SM Biker lists in check .

MasterOfGaunts wrote:
In my opinion every list that fills all its slots with almost the same units reveals some kind of WAAC attitude.

That's why I was a bit worried about only having Dire Avengers as my Troops choice. It's not spaming, surely, as there are negatives for this choice, like no heavy weapon batteries?!

Steelmage99 wrote:
Cool. What was his army?

Don't know tau incredibly well, there were riptides, broadsides, a buff mander, path finders and fire warriors that I Recall

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

It was the relic, and I finished his last unit off the table by turn 5. It was bloody and only had 2 ravagers, 7 kabalite warriors, and 3 splinterborn left on the table, but I still technically tabled tau. Instant deathing broadsides ftw.

What a surprise, yet another army that you table. You must be the Napoleon of 40k, or you play people that don't know what they're doing.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

It was the relic, and I finished his last unit off the table by turn 5. It was bloody and only had 2 ravagers, 7 kabalite warriors, and 3 splinterborn left on the table, but I still technically tabled tau. Instant deathing broadsides ftw.

What a surprise, yet another army that you table. You must be the Napoleon of 40k, or you play people that don't know what they're doing.

It's fine though, he only had 12 models left this time

 gardeth wrote:

MasterOfGaunts wrote:
In my opinion every list that fills all its slots with almost the same units reveals some kind of WAAC attitude. While it isnt the most competitive list out there it smells somehow like cheese.

I just started a DE army and there are so many nice options in this codex, that i couldnt understand why I should only take one unit type in every slot. There is only one thing thats hard to avoid... multiple transports of the same Kind, cause you need them for mobility.

Your list is a typical spam list and there is no way to deny it. It will crush most of the guys who said they will defeat your list easily, cause most people dont even know what Dark Eldar CAN do. But its all the same with spam lists... rock, paper, scissors... some lists will kick your a.. badly.

If a casual gamer calls you list cheese he is absolutely right... all those Helldrakespam, Riptidespam, Bikerspam, XXXspam players just deserve it... they arent better than you.

Regards...

I don't think this is quite fair. DE are a Glass cannon, and in order to win consistantly, they need to win big. They cannot afford to engage in anything resembling a fair fight, be it in shooting or CC. As such, DE lists suffer disporpotionly higher from taking "non-optimal" units in a list as it takes away from the ability to remove threats that WILL hurt the fragile DE units. There are a few DE units that are relatively durable, but outside the beastpack, all these units (grots, pain engines) lack the ability to do the kind of damage necessary to keep the rest of the DE army alive and active. Haemonculi Coven lists are good at losing slowly, but not much else.

All these reasons are why I had stated earlier that I don't play my DE in casual games, They win big or they lose big and against a non-optimized list, they win big, fast, and hard. Which isnt really fun for anyone involved. But in tournaments they are great for keeping Daemons, Tau, and SM Biker lists in check .

I think you misunderstood my point. I dont say you have to play fair as a DE player. But there is no need for spamming (except transports) in this codex. You might not hit as hard as a tournament list, but you can still kick most armies a.... if you play them well. Maxing out the best units and wondering why people are crying about cheese is somehow strange.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

It was the relic, and I finished his last unit off the table by turn 5. It was bloody and only had 2 ravagers, 7 kabalite warriors, and 3 splinterborn left on the table, but I still technically tabled tau. Instant deathing broadsides ftw.

What a surprise, yet another army that you table. You must be the Napoleon of 40k, or you play people that don't know what they're doing.

Or maybe DE arent as week as you might think and his list is a Little bit cheesy and he might have some talent?

Or maybe hes the top player in his meta and it really doesnt matter what he plays.

That list wouldnt survive the meta here.

Considering even my friendly Eldar list would waste this with little problem, I'm certainly not considering this cheese. It is a mono-build concept that was designed a while ago on the net and isn't that impressive at all. Sorry OP, but this list isn't that good...more than likely you only play against people who are your antithesis.

Can we begin a kickstarter to fund sending Daly to the home club of everyone saying they could waste his list with their standard army? We could turn it in to a series of battle reports (and perhaps even film and dramatize it into a wargaming version of The Wrestler, depending on results)!

Fragile wrote:
Or maybe hes the top player in his meta and it really doesnt matter what he plays.

Might also be possible. You' ll only know if you face him in a game. I just dont like people who keep on telling they would kill XY easily cause theire lists are so much better than the one of XY. Thats not objective and not a bit better than the OP...

Why bother defending him? He doesn't care what you think.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

It was the relic, and I finished his last unit off the table by turn 5. It was bloody and only had 2 ravagers, 7 kabalite warriors, and 3 splinterborn left on the table, but I still technically tabled tau. Instant deathing broadsides ftw.

What a surprise, yet another army that you table. You must be the Napoleon of 40k, or you play people that don't know what they're doing.

I can post pics to prove my battles if you'd like

 MWHistorian wrote:
Why bother defending him? He doesn't care what you think.

Its not about defending him... its about telling people that they arent better when they say that they ve got the bigger one...

MasterOfGaunts wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Why bother defending him? He doesn't care what you think.

Its not about defending him... its about telling people that they arent better when they say that they ve got the bigger one...

Fair point.
Honestly, I think that list would have more than a fair chance against my SOB army, but it isn't weak and it isn't cheese.
My IF army would stand a better chance...maybe.
Can't say for sure because I've never played him.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
You found a friend. How nice.
Now you just need to convince yourself that he represents the majority of the attitudes presented in this thread.
You could take lessons from GW. They also stuff their fingers in their ears and go: "La la la la. I can't hear you!".


BTW, how did your game go?

It was the relic, and I finished his last unit off the table by turn 5. It was bloody and only had 2 ravagers, 7 kabalite warriors, and 3 splinterborn left on the table, but I still technically tabled tau. Instant deathing broadsides ftw.

What a surprise, yet another army that you table. You must be the Napoleon of 40k, or you play people that don't know what they're doing.

I can post pics to prove my battles if you'd like

I can post pics proving the existence of Bigfoot. Doesn't make it any more or less real.

Well if we got something like a battle report it would really help. Like if we could see what kind of field is used, how they deployed, and a simple turn by turn break down.

That way we can see why people are getting tabled and see if you're just always rolling insanely well.