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From the OP, I thought this show was reality TV about slapping obnoxious children...a new obnoxious child gets slapped each week.

Interest...lost.

We could make it a game show.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
From the OP, I thought this show was reality TV about slapping obnoxious children...a new obnoxious child gets slapped each week.

I would watch this show.

 Frazzled wrote:
We could make it a game show.

How can she slap!?



Spoiler alert - link contains English as a Second Language-style swearing.

Neither of them has crafted their ninja knife-hands skills as well as Gordon Ramsay, expertly deflecting this blow.

And I thought YouTube wouldn't host 60p videos anymore!

This show looks silly.

The science is in ™ and has been for years. Hitting kids doesn't teach them crap. They'll toe the line while the authority figure who hits them is around and not act out because they don't want to get hurt. However when they're removed from that authority figure and/or think that figure won't find out they'll act out all the same. It has basically no deterrent effect outside the immediate threat.

Anyone has the right responsibility to stop Kid A from walloping Kid B with a baseball bat, or whatever silly situation this show has cooked up. As children should not be hit with baseball bats. In most situations it's trivially easy to do without hitting the kid.

Is it a real bat or a play bat? If some kid came at my kid with a real bat I would have punted them through the field goal of Life, and likely their parents shortly after.

 AndrewC wrote:

 zombiekila707 wrote:
It sounds stupid I don't approve. Don't beat your kids punish them by making do choirs or work on a farm. Nothing is worse then shoveling cow gak for a couple hours. Gives you time to think and learn from you mistakes.


Then victory will be yours.


I guarantee it.

And if they refuse to do the chores? What do you do? Not give them dinner? Child cruelty. Take away their toys? Mental cruelty. And the list goes on.

Raising a child is one of the hardest things that we can ever do, and the authorities are constantly looking over our shoulders for the slightest infractions 'against the rights of the child'. Child misbehaves and the parents don't do anything, bad parents! Not capable of controlling a child. Child misbehaves and gets a smacked backside. Bad parents! Physical punishments are child abuse.

Either stance taken to the extreme does more harm than good. But finding that middle path is next to impossible with all these backseat drivers who think they know best, even though they don't have children of their own.

Cheers

Andrew

I agree man just going off my own personal experience where my dad made me do choirs after doing something "Bad" I look back and I am glad what my dad taught me with out the use of violence. Me personally though no I am never gonna have kids I feel that is something I unprepared for.

There are plenty of people on the planet anyways why bring another into the mix.

I'm eagerly awaiting 20 years time when we aren't allowed to take things away from kids to discipline them as it causes psychological distress. /cynical

I have to say, Im really enjoying the show itself

I've watched both episodes, and I have to say, I like it for the most part. The cast of the show is fething unbelievable, and I wonder what dirt did the director dig up on them to force them into the show? Otherwise for the actual story, I like it. It's a fairly simple drama (in regards to what the drama is about) compared to most other shows these days that aren't AMC, and is well acted for the most part.

The only thing I don't like about the show is the characters of the hippie parents. All I have to say is, what the feth? Those are probably some of the worst parents I've ever seen, and they're so damn bratty and irresponsible for the raising of their kid, I can't help but sympathize with the aggressive donkey-cave character who went so far as to beat his wife on the show. It really suspends my belief whenever they appear, as they just act insane/like children.

However, I'd have ot say I like the rest of the show. As somebody who has a very, very large family, it's somewhat believable (ignoring the crazy hippies), and I have seen a fair share of family drama. I could see, and have seen fallout I expect the show to contain in real life with my own family (albeit over different causes).

Although I also have to question what the hell is everyone blabbering about. The weird child of the weird couple was swinging a bat around at speeds capable of doing serious, serious damage to the children around him. I can definitely understand why the dude's anger flared enough that he smacked the kid. While I don't necessarily agree with the reaction outright, I can understand it and don't see why the hell it would warrant any prosecution. It's not like he drew blood or caused damage to the brain- that was already done by the parents who seem to take poor care of a kid that clearly has special needs.

 Wyzilla wrote:
I've watched both episodes, and I have to say, I like it for the most part. The cast of the show is fething unbelievable, and I wonder what dirt did the director dig up on them to force them into the show? Otherwise for the actual story, I like it. It's a fairly simple drama (in regards to what the drama is about) compared to most other shows these days that aren't AMC, and is well acted for the most part.

The only thing I don't like about the show is the characters of the hippie parents. All I have to say is, what the feth? Those are probably some of the worst parents I've ever seen, and they're so damn bratty and irresponsible for the raising of their kid, I can't help but sympathize with the aggressive donkey-cave character who went so far as to beat his wife on the show. It really suspends my belief whenever they appear, as they just act insane/like children.

However, I'd have ot say I like the rest of the show. As somebody who has a very, very large family, it's somewhat believable (ignoring the crazy hippies), and I have seen a fair share of family drama. I could see, and have seen fallout I expect the show to contain in real life with my own family (albeit over different causes).

Although I also have to question what the hell is everyone blabbering about. The weird child of the weird couple was swinging a bat around at speeds capable of doing serious, serious damage to the children around him. I can definitely understand why the dude's anger flared enough that he smacked the kid. While I don't necessarily agree with the reaction outright, I can understand it and don't see why the hell it would warrant any prosecution. It's not like he drew blood or caused damage to the brain- that was already done by the parents who seem to take poor care of a kid that clearly has special needs.

Im not sure he is special needs really. or atleast born that way, i think it is the parents mostly.
And I have to wonder, With the director puting the hippies in the dingy apartment, the guy in a big home overlooking the water, is he trying to frame this as a class war or something? If so, he somehow got me rooting for the rich guy.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I've watched both episodes, and I have to say, I like it for the most part. The cast of the show is fething unbelievable, and I wonder what dirt did the director dig up on them to force them into the show? Otherwise for the actual story, I like it. It's a fairly simple drama (in regards to what the drama is about) compared to most other shows these days that aren't AMC, and is well acted for the most part.

The only thing I don't like about the show is the characters of the hippie parents. All I have to say is, what the feth? Those are probably some of the worst parents I've ever seen, and they're so damn bratty and irresponsible for the raising of their kid, I can't help but sympathize with the aggressive donkey-cave character who went so far as to beat his wife on the show. It really suspends my belief whenever they appear, as they just act insane/like children.

However, I'd have ot say I like the rest of the show. As somebody who has a very, very large family, it's somewhat believable (ignoring the crazy hippies), and I have seen a fair share of family drama. I could see, and have seen fallout I expect the show to contain in real life with my own family (albeit over different causes).

Although I also have to question what the hell is everyone blabbering about. The weird child of the weird couple was swinging a bat around at speeds capable of doing serious, serious damage to the children around him. I can definitely understand why the dude's anger flared enough that he smacked the kid. While I don't necessarily agree with the reaction outright, I can understand it and don't see why the hell it would warrant any prosecution. It's not like he drew blood or caused damage to the brain- that was already done by the parents who seem to take poor care of a kid that clearly has special needs.

Im not sure he is special needs really. or atleast born that way, i think it is the parents mostly.
And I have to wonder, With the director puting the hippies in the dingy apartment, the guy in a big home overlooking the water, is he trying to frame this as a class war or something? If so, he somehow got me rooting for the rich guy.

Same here. Although considering the family is a group of Greek Immigrants, he probably didn't start out rich, and rather built that entire business up by himself.

But yeah, the writers screwed up with the artist's family if they want them to be the sympathetic characters. They come off as loons, especially how the mother is breast feeding a kid who's what, four, five years old? And drinking? No wonder why the child is messed up- his mother's milk is probably contaminated with liquor.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I've watched both episodes, and I have to say, I like it for the most part. The cast of the show is fething unbelievable, and I wonder what dirt did the director dig up on them to force them into the show? Otherwise for the actual story, I like it. It's a fairly simple drama (in regards to what the drama is about) compared to most other shows these days that aren't AMC, and is well acted for the most part.

The only thing I don't like about the show is the characters of the hippie parents. All I have to say is, what the feth? Those are probably some of the worst parents I've ever seen, and they're so damn bratty and irresponsible for the raising of their kid, I can't help but sympathize with the aggressive donkey-cave character who went so far as to beat his wife on the show. It really suspends my belief whenever they appear, as they just act insane/like children.

However, I'd have ot say I like the rest of the show. As somebody who has a very, very large family, it's somewhat believable (ignoring the crazy hippies), and I have seen a fair share of family drama. I could see, and have seen fallout I expect the show to contain in real life with my own family (albeit over different causes).

Although I also have to question what the hell is everyone blabbering about. The weird child of the weird couple was swinging a bat around at speeds capable of doing serious, serious damage to the children around him. I can definitely understand why the dude's anger flared enough that he smacked the kid. While I don't necessarily agree with the reaction outright, I can understand it and don't see why the hell it would warrant any prosecution. It's not like he drew blood or caused damage to the brain- that was already done by the parents who seem to take poor care of a kid that clearly has special needs.

Im not sure he is special needs really. or atleast born that way, i think it is the parents mostly.
And I have to wonder, With the director puting the hippies in the dingy apartment, the guy in a big home overlooking the water, is he trying to frame this as a class war or something? If so, he somehow got me rooting for the rich guy.

Same here. Although considering the family is a group of Greek Immigrants, he probably didn't start out rich, and rather built that entire business up by himself.

But yeah, the writers screwed up with the artist's family if they want them to be the sympathetic characters. They come off as loons, especially how the mother is breast feeding a kid who's what, four, five years old? And drinking? No wonder why the child is messed up- his mother's milk is probably contaminated with liquor.

Well, We only saw from one side, the side of the greek family. I really cant wait to see it from the Hippies side. And im not sure we are really supposed to root for anyone.
And it did mention they started out poor

Posts about show: 39
Posts about not show: 124
Not-show posts about child discipline: 55
I may be off by ~5 posts in the show/not-show category, but that's close to 75% of the thread being not about the show. X_X

I really wanted to talk more about how crappy this show seems to be and not read about child discipline, minor's committing crime, crime statistics' accuracy, or bell curves. After reading the whole thread it looks like we've gotten back on topic. I'm really interested to see how the different points of view style of storytelling pays off as the series goes onward.

This thread went to the underworld and back again.

It is the OT Forum. I quite liked the aussie version of the show.

 Gandair wrote:
Posts about show: 39
Posts about not show: 124
Not-show posts about child discipline: 55
I may be off by ~5 posts in the show/not-show category, but that's close to 75% of the thread being not about the show. X_X

I really wanted to talk more about how crappy this show seems to be and not read about child discipline, minor's committing crime, crime statistics' accuracy, or bell curves. After reading the whole thread it looks like we've gotten back on topic. I'm really interested to see how the different points of view style of storytelling pays off as the series goes onward.

This thread went to the underworld and back again.

I dub myself the Thread Cleric!