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Formosa wrote: very disappointed in the new kharn, looking at the 30k version (which I own) and this new one, frankly, the sculpt is not good enough, I'm happy we got a new sculpt finally, its just no where near the level it should have been.
I mean, the 30k one is basically just a normal marine tbh, lets be serious here. I mean to each their own but this is a pretty detailed sculpt, like other have been saying its very similar to the new AoS blood warriors. I dunno what you were expecting.
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Formosa wrote: very disappointed in the new kharn, looking at the 30k version (which I own) and this new one, frankly, the sculpt is not good enough, I'm happy we got a new sculpt finally, its just no where near the level it should have been.
I mean, the 30k one is basically just a normal marine tbh, lets be serious here. I mean to each their own but this is a pretty detailed sculpt, like other have been saying its very similar to the new AoS blood warriors. I dunno what you were expecting.
the 30k one is
A: better proportioned
B: better detailed
C: shows kharn as a butcher and bezerker much better than the new one
I could go on, my issues with the new one, its too low detailed, the details that are on the model conflict and are all squashed together, the chains are too large and lumpy, again I could go on.
I get others will like it, that's cool, its just not what I expected and nowhere near the level I have come to expect from GW these days
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
I think Kharn is nice, but I've seen a better version of him based on Wrathmonger legs and a Marine torso.
The crotch skull looks a bit dumb with those caveman brows and the chains might have wonky physics. The DV champ guy is still king when it comes to running stabby CSM.
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With all those chains hanging around his legs, it's surprising he can walk at all, lol.
This mini looks like it was designed by somebody who has been wheelchair bound since birth and thus has no concept of bipedal movement.
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He's claiming they're giving away Kharn with the 2nd new WD...
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Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
Lol it's so awful that you will buy it anyway?
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I'm really looking forward too seeing the Tzzentch dude, or Ahriman, if he turns out to be him, fully assembled and painted.
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CragHack wrote: Le plot twist: GW actually placed those Ahriman leaks in the first place and this was all but a set up for this PR campaign
Yeah, this is looking suspiciously like some viral marketing.. in which case - it's about goddamn time!
Indeed - sending unreleased miniatures to the South Korean Navy so they'd find their way to ebay is too obvious. Doesn't look like mere coincidence or a mistake at all.
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
Lol it's so awful that you will buy it anyway?
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Resin isn't possessed of some sort of magic powers. It is possible to produce a good plastic model too.
FW is more expensive partly cause FW but also because the costs don't scale back with volume like plastic does and resin casting is quite labour intensive, relative to plastic certainly.
FW models are better because apparently they have a team with a better vision of what they want their models to look like and are better at executing that vision.
If GW aren't able to produce their models to a similar standard in plastic, perhaps they shouldn't have stopped using other materials?
Awkward posing, weird physics and excessive greeble are just a hallmark of the GW aesthetic, and nothing to do with the material nor the pricing.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
For what it's worth, Azreal summed up my thoughts more effectively than I would have managed, before I had finished my first sentence.
That being said, I'm still pleased with the fact Chaos appears to be getting attention that is favourable. GW did some excellent work with the DV chosen and managed to detail things more realistically compared to the Kharn model - but then, I don't mind this sculpts cartoonish appearance as much as others seem to.
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Wulfmar wrote: For what it's worth, Azreal summed up my thoughts more effectively than I would have managed, before I had finished my first sentence.
That being said, I'm still pleased with the fact Chaos appears to be getting attention that is favourable. GW did some excellent work with the DV chosen and managed to detail things more realistically compared to the Kharn model - but then, I don't mind this sculpts cartoonish appearance as much as others seem to.
I wouldn't know, he doesn't appear in threads for me I would agree that the sculpt for the new Kharn does appear cartoony in some regards. But then the GW audience is certainly a different one to the FW one, but that's ok, horses for courses and all that. At the end of the day both sculpts are available to buy and use.
100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt and it didn't even take 6 hours for people to start complaining.
This is why Chaos can't have nice things.
Maybe wait to see a whole 180 of the new sculpt before comparing it to the FW version?
Imo it looks great.
Neronoxx wrote: 100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt
How is the old Kharn crappy and the new one beautiful?
Old Kharn stans up reasonably well to this new one, and he's decades old.
Is it so unreasonable to expect a new Chaos Space marine model to be decently proportioned and posed? GW obviously know how to do it with recent things like harlequins and genestealer cultists.
Why the hell should the Kharn model get a pass just because Chaos hasn't gotten a lot of 40K releases lately? If anything it should be the other way around.
So in terms of preorders we have kill team and a white dwarf mini on the 27th, Kharn on the 3Rd of September and gorechosen on the 17th of September. That leaves the 10th. I wonder if it will be more chaos.
Neronoxx wrote: 100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt
How is the old Kharn crappy and the new one beautiful?
Old Kharn stans up reasonably well to this new one, and he's decades old.
Is it so unreasonable to expect a new Chaos Space marine model to be decently proportioned and posed? GW obviously know how to do it with recent things like harlequins and genestealer cultists.
Why the hell should the Kharn model get a pass just because Chaos hasn't gotten a lot of 40K releases lately? If anything it should be the other way around.
Yeah, the old Kharn model doesn't even look as bad as it should when we compare the two. However, I'm SURE the new one will look a lot better with more pictures.
Why are people speaking about weird physic ? I don't see any problem, except for the positioning of his legs, for the moment. Just wait until we TRULY see him !
Neronoxx wrote: 100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt
How is the old Kharn crappy and the new one beautiful?
Old Kharn stans up reasonably well to this new one, and he's decades old.
Is it so unreasonable to expect a new Chaos Space marine model to be decently proportioned and posed? GW obviously know how to do it with recent things like harlequins and genestealer cultists.
Why the hell should the Kharn model get a pass just because Chaos hasn't gotten a lot of 40K releases lately? If anything it should be the other way around.
I agree. It's very...plain for lack of words. I can't put my finger on it, but it doesn't seem to have much "soul".
New "old" Ahriman though, that looks amazing from what I can see.
There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
@godarc
It's the things like his pigtails and chains which are theoretically in motion, but don't, at least thus far, appear to be moving the right way for his pose.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
I'm a strong believer in that train of thought, but for me it's highly organic models that suffer, such as the Ork Shokk Attack Gun (compare the Nelson one vs the recent plastic version) and the new Ogryns.
This model, being mostly armoured, doesn't fall into that trap to me. I'm really impressed by it and I think one of the most important aspects, that it honours the previous incarnation, has been done justice... If it had been highly different, there'd have been a slew of folks lining up to complain that it should look exactly like the old one.
I think it's a success and a good looking model. YMMV.
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
Lol it's so awful that you will buy it anyway?
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I'm really looking forward too seeing the Tzzentch dude, or Ahriman, if he turns out to be him, fully assembled and painted.
Actually in this case I'm comparing an apple to an apple, they are both Khan, one is dynamically posed and looks like it could move, it's sprinting and has just took a swipe.
The other is trying to look dynamic and trying to look like it's taken a swipe but ends up looking clumsy and cluttered, as shown by other massed produced plastic, they could have made the model much more dynamic and given it a better pose, widened the legs, made the crotch skulls a separate piece, re pose the plasma arm so it also doesn't look clumsy, basically the model seems badly designed.
And yes I'll buy one, simply because it's better than the old one and Khan is my favourite character, doesn't stop me thinking the model should have been better and being disapointed it's not better.
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I'm really looking forward too seeing the Tzzentch dude, or Ahriman, if he turns out to be him, fully assembled and painted.
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