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 Lockark wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Le plot twist: GW actually placed those Ahriman leaks in the first place and this was all but a set up for this PR campaign

Yeah, this is looking suspiciously like some viral marketing.. in which case - it's about goddamn time!

Indeed - sending unreleased miniatures to the South Korean Navy so they'd find their way to ebay is too obvious. Doesn't look like mere coincidence or a mistake at all.

BWAHAHAHA!

That was a thing that happened?!?!?!?!

Well, not exactly... but there's an auction on ebay from South Korea with the sprue placed on a scarf/blanket/uniform(?) with the ROK (Republic of Korea) Navy logo. The reaction from Warhammer TV might be funny, but it's not the only one. The influence of Kirby is still strong.

Judging a dynamic model by a picture taken from one angle can be very misleading. I will wait until we see a full 360 before passing judgement. In this picture the forgeworld one looks like he is dancing. The joy of plastic is that the pose of the gun, the flow of the the chains and the angle of the legs can all be easily tweaked.

Chikout wrote:
Judging a dynamic model by a picture taken from one angle can be very misleading. I will wait until we see a full 360 before passing judgement. In this picture the forgeworld one looks like he is dancing. The joy of plastic is that the pose of the gun, the flow of the the chains and the angle of the legs can all be easily tweaked.

That's fair, we've already had a very short 360, but I'd like a better look too

I like that Khârn. Too bad he is attached to an awful army. I would have liked to have him in the Daemonkin codex. Might have made me want to start CSM.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.

I'm a strong believer in that train of thought, but for me it's highly organic models that suffer, such as the Ork Shokk Attack Gun (compare the Nelson one vs the recent plastic version) and the new Ogryns.

This model, being mostly armoured, doesn't fall into that trap to me. I'm really impressed by it and I think one of the most important aspects, that it honours the previous incarnation, has been done justice... If it had been highly different, there'd have been a slew of folks lining up to complain that it should look exactly like the old one.

I think it's a success and a good looking model. YMMV.

I guess a lot of that depends on your opinion of the original. For me, a radical departure would have been a positive as I'm not a fan of the original, but I completely concede that would have upset many.

As it stands, if I ever need a Kharn I'm confident I could kitbash one more to my tastes that would still be recognizable, but my Chaos tends to lean towards the more whip and chainy end of the pantheon, and I'm actually quite the fan of Lucius, albeit mine will have some modifications once he gets promoted from the box of shame to the assembly desk of broken dreams.

I guess we should be thankful that the range is broad enough that we have options!

Honestly I don't like either of them. The new GW is the better of the two but still kinda bland. The FW one looks like he has a rock in his boot and is like AGGH my foot is in pain.

 insaniak wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:


Since the Heresy-Kharn has a near identical, but mirrored, pose, I can see that this is probably where they got the inspiration.

Hmm... Mirror-match diorama incoming...?

Is that you accepting a challenge? :3

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
How come his dominant hand has changed since the Heresy?

Chaos does that to people...

Space Marines are ambidextrous, they have only dominant hands.

I'll repeat the point I made to the last person who said the same thing.

Do they swap their bare arms and chains mid battle too?

Yes. Kharn likes to accessorize and try new things.

Kharn's a beast. He'll look great at the head of the berzerker horde coming at 120 Ork boyz

He has to switch arms whenever his plasma pistol misfires so he can have that arm piece fixed hehe.

Technically it would make any 'wrong' (with the arms being switched and F'ing consistency/ logic) is on FW side of things since obviously the old Kharn predates it.. 1st the concept artist, then the guy who signs off on it, then the sculptor. 3 layers of fail lol

Tiny dancer, dancing for money.

Both poses have him on his toes.

Give me a Kharn that is just holding Gorechild saying, "Yeah, come get some!"

The new Khârn is another example of Chaos miniatures being overly designed and way too busy. Under all that crap might be a nice model, but I'm not going to buy $35 worth of plastic to chop most of it off. It's a firm pass for me; I'm better off converting my own. Maybe in the Dark Souls "Well? What is it?" pose...

30k Ahriman, however, is hitting all the right notes for me. It's looking like a great sculpt, a great way to showcase the capabilities of plastic without ruining the model by cramming it with unnecessary bitz and unneeded detail. An easy buy for me.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Tiny dancer, dancing for money.

Both poses have him on his toes.

Give me a Kharn that is just holding Gorechild saying, "Yeah, come get some!"

I don't know.

I see Kharn as more of a preemptive "'Aaaave it!" than a "Come get some" kind of frothing mouthed loon.

I always liked the short insert when he comes round the corner of a building and with a quick Blood for the Blood God" really ruins the day of some other Berserkers.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Resin isn't possessed of some sort of magic powers. It is possible to produce a good plastic model too.

Yeah resin isn't something that automatically turns model into good but best resin model will always beat hands down best plastic models in terms of detail. Materials aren't identical in qualities. Duh. That's why there's multiple materials that are used!

I just realised I own that many miniatures converted from the original kharn I could start a small army!

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'll repeat the point I made to the last person who said the same thing.

Do they swap their bare arms and chains mid battle too?

I'd argue that FW got their model wrong.

Or it's 10,000 years ago. A lot can change in that space of time.

Chikout wrote:
This turned up on tg.

I don't want to be a spoiler but "Ahriman" , is this indeed Ahriman, it could be any of the scarab occult as far as we know. I don't see either a hequa staff or an oakleaf on his shoulderpad. Then I'm expecting Ahriman from Forgeworld anyways because he is the most suitable in the HH range to be the TS Primarchs sidekick.

Then again about the shoulderpad, does anyone know why there's an eye on there at all. I though there was something about an eye but I'm not sure anymore what it was?

Looking forewards to a possible prospero burns box!

He looks okay, probably one of those dynamic sculpts which will look better from a top-down view of a tabletop than seeing it from the side/360. It's hard to beat some of his artwork though, maybe by converting the plasma pistol arm and glueing him onto a scenic base to make him look less hunched.



But I like the model, he is so much better than the 'dynamic' sculpts of 3rd Edition (Eldar Striking Scorpions, Dark Eldar Whyches, CSM Possessed come to mind). Those looked way too flat.

So with plastic Kharn confirmed, where are the CSM campaign book leaks?


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Berserkers need a boost ruleswise similiar to what they got in Blood Oath (Warhammer World-exclusive campaign booklet, Khorne Daemonkin formation with Kharybdis), otherwise they don't work anymore. Hopefully something with Kharn for a start. A 3++ against shooting attacks for a unit he is attached to would fix a lot.

I think I like it, but I am not sure about the back pack or the chains. I think the armour is a bit too spiky. Think I prefer the original one to be honest. But I am stoked that they have released a new version of him

 Azreal13 wrote:
There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.

@godarc
It's the things like his pigtails and chains which are theoretically in motion, but don't, at least thus far, appear to be moving the right way for his pose.

I don't think the "digital = no soul" thing is automatic, and probably some of it is just down to the usual snobbery at technology, but I think it works in much the same way as digital artwork - the technology allows you to do things you simply can't do with the physical version, and that's both good and bad. The bad side of it comes from three things - 1. Rotating a 3D image on a 2D screen doesn't give you the same sense of perspective and depth perception as holding a 3D object in your hands and rotating it in front of your eyes does, 2. Digital tech allows for a lot of "shortcuts" that when applied properly can allow you to achieve the same result as a physical version with less time & effort...but which just look cheap if used too liberally and without care, and 3. The amount of reworking and correction an artist can do to a digital model/painting is limited only by the project deadline, and if you keep going over and over your work fixing what you perceive as flaws or mistakes, you can end up with a final product that looks plastic-y and takes a dip into Uncanny Valley territory.

Combine that with GW's tendency to over-design some of their models intentionally or otherwise, and you sometimes get plastic kits that trend more towards the "Happy Meal toy" end of the spectrum.

Personally I like almost all of the individual elements of the new Kharn model, I'm just not a huge fan of the way they've been put together.

That said, I give almost zero gaks about Kharn when plastic Prospero's been dangled like that - moar info please.

I really like the enthusiasm that GW is showing in embracing online/community focussed responses these days. That vid showing Kharn was a great way to reach out to the community - it shows they have accepted the internet exists and we do discuss their world on here - including constant chasing of rumours and leaks. It shows they can have a tongue in cheek jab at us all while also giving us more of what we are clamouring at. This last year has really served to reset my attitude towards GW as an entity. I still may not agree with all their pricing plans on single character clamppacks and squad kits, but the bundle offers are genuinely good value in the main (start collecting, Calth, Masque etc). I say well done GW and carry on in this form.

It was a very surprising move, almost as surprising as the Deathwatch releases being much cheaper than equivalent releases from even 9-12 months ago.

Loving the new route for GW, hope they keep on this path.

Honestly with the ranges of AoS Khorne, either of the actual modern Kharns or the original, if you cant kitbash this to your most exacting requirement, there's something wrong with your converting fu.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.

@godarc
It's the things like his pigtails and chains which are theoretically in motion, but don't, at least thus far, appear to be moving the right way for his pose.

I don't think the "digital = no soul" thing is automatic, and probably some of it is just down to the usual snobbery at technology, but I think it works in much the same way as digital artwork - the technology allows you to do things you simply can't do with the physical version, and that's both good and bad. The bad side of it comes from three things - 1. Rotating a 3D image on a 2D screen doesn't give you the same sense of perspective and depth perception as holding a 3D object in your hands and rotating it in front of your eyes does, 2. Digital tech allows for a lot of "shortcuts" that when applied properly can allow you to achieve the same result as a physical version with less time & effort...but which just look cheap if used too liberally and without care, and 3. The amount of reworking and correction an artist can do to a digital model/painting is limited only by the project deadline, and if you keep going over and over your work fixing what you perceive as flaws or mistakes, you can end up with a final product that looks plastic-y and takes a dip into Uncanny Valley territory.

Combine that with GW's tendency to over-design some of their models intentionally or otherwise, and you sometimes get plastic kits that trend more towards the "Happy Meal toy" end of the spectrum.

Personally I like almost all of the individual elements of the new Kharn model, I'm just not a huge fan of the way they've been put together.

That said, I give almost zero gaks about Kharn when plastic Prospero's been dangled like that - moar info please.

Agreed, looking down on digital sculpting is essentially the same logic as people who view airbrushing as cheating, both require their own skill set, both allow you to achieve things you can't easily achieve with the traditional method but both can look awful if not done with a degree of care.

I have absolutely no problem with digital sculpting in general, but this Kharn looks like he's been at least a little spoiled by it.

I haven't heard any rumors or confirmations lately about a September warzone fenris or codex release to accompany said model. Anyone tracking anything recent?