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 George Spiggott wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
Only thing that took away from this last episode was danny... seriously, a room full of the most capable men the tribes could offer, and they just *sit there* while she slowly pushes over braizers that light the tent on fire? No one thinks to just run up and tackle her or anything? really? did I miss the part where they soaked the entire hut in non smellable oil or something?

as a plot device the scene works ok though, well shot in terms of visual appeal, and now she has *another* army.

It's a well known Dothraki tradition to make things out of exploda-wood.

Speaking of normally wise people suddenly getting dumb there's also another battle looming that seems like it could be a disaster for the parties we're rooting for. Is Littlefinger keeping his cards very close to his chest or has he suddenly started making mistakes?

It is a wood building in the middle of a desert and those were braziers with oil in them. That thing was going to go off. Also, tackling her wouldn't stop them from dying, hence the reason they went for the door. They probably figured she was committing suicide and taking them with her.

Yeah as a plot device its easy to get around the awkwardness of the actual scene.

Just was a bit awkward how slow they were to react.

Totally forgivable though considering how nice the visual effect was and how this will (hopefully) get dany;s story moving in a good way again.

I know that I can't wait for the spin-off sitcom for this:

 easysauce wrote:
Yeah as a plot device its easy to get around the awkwardness of the actual scene.

Just was a bit awkward how slow they were to react.

Totally forgivable though considering how nice the visual effect was and how this will (hopefully) get dany;s story moving in a good way again.

They were dumbstruck when she placed her hands on the hot metal brazier inches from the fire without being harmed or showing pain from the heat. There was nothing awkward about it at all. They know Daenerys has consorted with sorcerers, they probably thought she was revealing herself to be a witch or demon.

Nothing awkward about it at all.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

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Kind of saw that scene with Ramsay coming tbh. She was a good character. I'm a bit fearful for Rickon's wellbeing now! Dammit GoT, leave the Starks alone lol.

Don't get all the Dorne hate, though. I think GRRM put it rather well " The books will be the books, and the show will be the show" that's why they call it an adaptation.

Rickon doesn't really have any story of any importance in the book or show - I think he is just back to provide a reason for Jon, Sansa and co to get angry about when Ramsey does "stuff" to him.

re Dorne - I didn't enjoy it and the casting and plot seemed rushed and badly written.

Not necessarily. Rickon figures fairly prominently in the Northern Conspiracy plotline in the books. Rickon's survival is an open secret, and many Northern Houses are searching for him for their own ends. The Boltons want him dead, obviously. Other houses want to use him as a figurehead for a rebellion and restore him as Lord of Winterfell (in reality, he'll be a puppet for whichever House that controls him).

http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-pink-letter-littlefinger-theory/2/


makes sense to me.

wasn't sure about the "come and see" line being repeated like that, but seems quite plausible.

 reds8n wrote:
http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-pink-letter-littlefinger-theory/2/


makes sense to me.

wasn't sure about the "come and see" line being repeated like that, but seems quite plausible.

Littlefinger would also need the Umbers to give him some of the information (Rickon, shaggydog etc)
Also it's clearly now it wasn't Ramsey who wrote it:

It references Shaggydog's pelt being at Winterfell when it's just his head

The writer also threatens to "Skin them Living" instead of just saying Flay them which is much more Bolton like

Calls them dogs when Ramsay has always called them my Hounds

Would Ramsay know if Rickon was wild? The Umbers would certainly know whether or not he is

Unless Stannis is secretly alive with that army that "deserted" I'd say show wise it's Littlefinger

 easysauce wrote:


Only thing that took away from this last episode was danny... seriously, a room full of the most capable men the tribes could offer, and they just *sit there* while she slowly pushes over braizers that light the tent on fire? No one thinks to just run up and tackle her or anything? really? did I miss the part where they soaked the entire hut in non smellable oil or something?

as a plot device the scene works ok though, well shot in terms of visual appeal, and now she has *another* army.

Well the men were at a disadvantage from the start. They lived by a code and none of them would consider just killing her on the spot. They surrender their weapons and actually do their best to avoid spilling blood. So with no weapons they chose flight over fight, no point in jumping into a fire when there should be a door right behind them.

Even if the place was soaked with oil it might not be noticeable with the four braziers burning. They'd probably assume any smells of oil were coming from them.

I also think dany grabbed the side first to see if it burned before she pushed them over. I don't think she was sure that she'd be able to walk out of a second fire.

 reds8n wrote:
http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-pink-letter-littlefinger-theory/2/


makes sense to me.

wasn't sure about the "come and see" line being repeated like that, but seems quite plausible.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see it revealed that it was Littlefinger. Especially given his timing of getting the Vale's armies moving.

 reds8n wrote:
http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-pink-letter-littlefinger-theory/2/

makes sense to me.

wasn't sure about the "come and see" line being repeated like that, but seems quite plausible.

I like that theory.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 easysauce wrote:


Only thing that took away from this last episode was danny... seriously, a room full of the most capable men the tribes could offer, and they just *sit there* while she slowly pushes over braizers that light the tent on fire? No one thinks to just run up and tackle her or anything? really? did I miss the part where they soaked the entire hut in non smellable oil or something?

as a plot device the scene works ok though, well shot in terms of visual appeal, and now she has *another* army.

Well the men were at a disadvantage from the start. They lived by a code and none of them would consider just killing her on the spot. They surrender their weapons and actually do their best to avoid spilling blood. So with no weapons they chose flight over fight, no point in jumping into a fire when there should be a door right behind them.

Even if the place was soaked with oil it might not be noticeable with the four braziers burning. They'd probably assume any smells of oil were coming from them.

I also think dany grabbed the side first to see if it burned before she pushed them over. I don't think she was sure that she'd be able to walk out of a second fire.

Oh yeah, its not like it was a farce of a scene or anything, it just came off as a bit awkward to me in how it was depicted. Not really a big deal at all, it worked for many people I think, and story wise it worked for me too!



I just really hope we get more good story with danny.


So far this season is looking really good, I really hope the mountain starts really cutting loose, just so much potential there!

 kronk wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-pink-letter-littlefinger-theory/2/

makes sense to me.

wasn't sure about the "come and see" line being repeated like that, but seems quite plausible.

I like that theory.

Littlefinger doesn't give a damn. Getting raped by a crazy guy just so he can get some more land?

Little finger is a sleeping giant still I think.

He is a serious contender for the throne that no one really thinks is in the running.

That little finger is in so many pies we dont know about.

 easysauce wrote:
Little finger is a sleeping giant still I think.

He is a serious contender for the throne that no one really thinks is in the running.

That little finger is in so many pies we dont know about.

He also makes mistakes like anyone else - I think giving Sansa to Ramsey was a mistep..............He didn;t have the backkground info he should have - now he is adjusting.................and re-focussing

Hasn't Littlefinger specifically said he doesn't want the throne though? Or am I making that up?

The best I can figure out from Littlefinger, is he wants to be a Stark. The most 'honest' thing about him, was his obsession with Catelyn. Ultimately, everything he's done or doing, could be related and motivated by that.

Sure, he betrayed Ned, but Ned, Ned had Catelyn, and he couldn't have that. After then, maybe his actions genuinely were about the protection of Sansa. Not because Sansa was a person, but because Sansa is tied to Catelyn. - I wonder if the timelines of Catelyn's death and Littlefinger starting to actively work against the Lannisters matches up?

I think Littlefinger wants a Stark on the throne, to be his chief advisor and, perhaps, remain the power behind the leader of the Vale too (Catelyn's home).

The Vale is his home too, Baelish is from the Fingers (east coast). Makes sense that he'd want to rule the Vale personally, and place a puppet Warden in Wjnterfell.

Enjoy

For some light hearted awesomeness

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again seems fairly plausible.

 easysauce wrote:
Little finger is a sleeping giant still I think.

He is a serious contender for the throne that no one really thinks is in the running.

I dunno. He's an interesting wildcard in the process, but it's hard to see how he could have a path to the throne.

And while he's obsessively chasing power, none of that matters much in the face of what's coming from the north. In some ways it feels like events are leaving him behind, as Bigger Stuff is happening and new contenders for the Iron Throne emerge.

Then again,

If anybody knows what horny teenagers are up to, it would be the keeper of brothels.

 reds8n wrote:
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again seems fairly plausible.

Maybe. I suspect both have made plans. If Cersei outwits the Tyrells and the High Sparrow, it would certainly fit this season's theme, but I think it'd be an unrealistic note, as everyone else involved -- especially the HS and Queen of Thorns -- has shown themselves to be more capable than Cersei.

I will say this about the HS:

 gorgon wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
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again seems fairly plausible.

Maybe. I suspect both have made plans. If Cersei outwits the Tyrells and the High Sparrow, it would certainly fit this season's theme, but I think it'd be an unrealistic note, as everyone else involved -- especially the HS and Queen of Thorns -- has shown themselves to be more capable than Cersei.

I will say this about the HS:

Spoiler:

If the actors are any indication, then it's hard to see how he's actually Howland Reed, as some theories suggest. The HS looks 10-15 years older than Ned, and in the flashback Howland appears to be the same age or younger as Ned.

The Queen of Throns has done precisely nothing about her grandaughters inceration depsite her son having a large army - she seems to have mostly written out - sadly and no one else on the show Small Council has any real power or ability.

The High Sparrow is a true believer - his ideal it would seem would be an ISIS like state.

None of it looks great for Margery :(

The falcon was an amusing gift, probably chosen on account of its immunity to moon-dooring. :p

 Mr Morden wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
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again seems fairly plausible.

Maybe. I suspect both have made plans. If Cersei outwits the Tyrells and the High Sparrow, it would certainly fit this season's theme, but I think it'd be an unrealistic note, as everyone else involved -- especially the HS and Queen of Thorns -- has shown themselves to be more capable than Cersei.

I will say this about the HS:

Spoiler:

If the actors are any indication, then it's hard to see how he's actually Howland Reed, as some theories suggest. The HS looks 10-15 years older than Ned, and in the flashback Howland appears to be the same age or younger as Ned.

The Queen of Throns has done precisely nothing about her grandaughters inceration depsite her son having a large army - she seems to have mostly written out - sadly and no one else on the show Small Council has any real power or ability.

The High Sparrow is a true believer - his ideal it would seem would be an ISIS like state.

None of it looks great for Margery :(

Well, I suppose some would think the QoT to be too old to fit this season's GRRL POWER! theme.

Things don't look good for Marge, but then she is a GRRL. And clearly she's kept her wits even as her knight brother's mind was quickly turned to mush. So you never know.

 gorgon wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
Little finger is a sleeping giant still I think.

He is a serious contender for the throne that no one really thinks is in the running.

I dunno. He's an interesting wildcard in the process, but it's hard to see how he could have a path to the throne.

And while he's obsessively chasing power, none of that matters much in the face of what's coming from the north. In some ways it feels like events are leaving him behind, as Bigger Stuff is happening and new contenders for the Iron Throne emerge.

Then again,

Spoiler:

he did have that conversation in the crypt with Sansa about Lyanna, so it's possible that he suspects that R + L = J. But that'd be one helluva deduction considering that only one(?) living person would know for sure (Howland Reed) and no one else in the land seems to suspect.

Don't forget that he's also (mostly in name) the Lord of Harrenhal, meaning he effectively rules The Reach (especially if some Freys disappear, hinted at from an early trailer), The Eeyrie, and potentially the North. That's 3/7 Kingdoms.

Then, consider what he did as Master of Coin. He "found the money" through the Lannisters and the Iron Bank (under the Baratheon name). He then proceeds to make several attempts to remove the Lannisters (Informing Ned, supporting Stannis, and handing Lancel over to Olenna), while gaining more and more out of them.

Additionally (more from the books), the sellswords Stannis acquires are from Braavos and would likely have had to pass through the FIngers to get to Stannis in time for the events up North.

Of course, Baelish would still burn the kingdom to the ashes if he could be the king of them and Cersei mentions that she would burn King's Landing, the Lannister name, and the kingdoms to the ground if her family is further harmed. I don't think there's going to be much of a kingdom left soon.

Don't you mean the River lands? The Tyrells rule The Reach.

And no, the Lord of Harrenhall does not rule the River lands. Its a valuable strategic castle yes, but he has no army to garrison it and extend his influence over the kingdom. The Frey's rule the River lands currently.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Don't you mean the River lands? The Tyrells rule The Reach.

And no, the Lord of Harrenhall does not rule the River lands. Its a valuable strategic castle yes, but he has no army to garrison it and extend his influence over the kingdom. The Frey's rule the River lands currently.

I did. I shouldn't Dakka that early in the morning... I don't think Baelish really cares if the people accept his rule, only that he possesses the title of ruler.

Yes, it gives him a veneer of legitimacy and makes him an actual Lord. Before Harrenhal, people referred to him as a Lord simply out of respect.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Yes, it gives him a veneer of legitimacy and makes him an actual Lord. Before Harrenhal, people referred to him as a Lord simply out of respect.

He was an actual lord before hand, just not much of a respectable one. The lands he controlled were practically worthless.

Wasn't it basically some sheep pastures and rocky cliffs with some small rocks sticking out like little fingers?

 d-usa wrote:
Wasn't it basically some sheep pastures and rocky cliffs with some small rocks sticking out like little fingers?

No, the "Fingers" are a series of peninsulas on the east coast of the Vale. Littlefinger is from one of if not the smallest peninsula, hence the name "Littlefinger".