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I agree that the Predators are pricey, but some of the money I'm putting towards this is from Trollbloods I just sold... and a unit of 3 runeshapers used to be about the same price as 3 predators is here. It got lowered a smidge, but it's still like $14 apiece.

Infinity also has a rather high per-model cost. I consider it par for the course on a low model count game... doesn't make me happy about it, of course.

And I agree that the discrepancy between the aliens price and the predators is a bit of a bummer... particularly when I'm going in for predators mostly! (or rather, PreAliens ). I guess mine will be more unique that way

Man, this is going along at a pretty good clip so far. Really wish I had $120-200 to throw in on this. The minis look great and they've already started to give a pretty good return on what you put in (and it will likely continue getting better). It's only ~£60k off of Warzone's total already which is probably a pleasant surprise for Prodos (wonder if they have a stretch planned for when they break it). Should do well for a GBP Kickstarter campaign and I am kicking myself for not having the prescience to save up money for this.

Oh well, maybe I'll get a random windfall in the next week or two and be able to throw down $200 on it.

Some comparisons:
- Raging Heroes are at the "boutique" end of the scale, and their troops were $3 each.
- I paid $2.30 per new space marine (via the strike force bundle), an excellent new kit from GW.
- We pay less than $1 per mini for a lot of Mantics stuff, generally at most ~$2 at retail.
- The proven really high quality with lots of extra bits of Vics resin minis is $5 per mini which does lend some credence to the marines and aliens being $5... if we're sure what you get in the kits is worth it, but again as a KS you expect a "good" price to offset the risk. Vic also includes free worldwide shipping.

Arrrrgh too many pages of comments to read!

I go down the pub for a couple of hours and it all goes mad

Im hoping this ks turns out to be worth it value to money wise. I love the sculpts but its seeming a bit rich at the mo for my wallet. Plus im still waiting for my warzone pledge. Im hoping it gets better in the next few days else ill regret pulling my pledge on other ks.

 Yonan wrote:
Some comparisons:
- Raging Heroes are at the "boutique" end of the scale, and their troops were $3 each.
- I paid $2.30 per new space marine (via the strike force bundle), an excellent new kit from GW.
- We pay less than $1 per mini for a lot of Mantics stuff, generally at most ~$2 at retail.
- The proven really high quality with lots of extra bits of Vics resin minis is $5 per mini which does lend some credence to the marines and aliens being $5... if we're sure what you get in the kits is worth it, but again as a KS you expect a "good" price to offset the risk. Vic also includes free worldwide shipping.

Mierce had £55 per 10 human infantry figures, or £5.50 per figure. Comparing non-resin to resin kickstarters isn't really a fair comparison.

decker_cky wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Some comparisons:
- Raging Heroes are at the "boutique" end of the scale, and their troops were $3 each.
- I paid $2.30 per new space marine (via the strike force bundle), an excellent new kit from GW.
- We pay less than $1 per mini for a lot of Mantics stuff, generally at most ~$2 at retail.
- The proven really high quality with lots of extra bits of Vics resin minis is $5 per mini which does lend some credence to the marines and aliens being $5... if we're sure what you get in the kits is worth it, but again as a KS you expect a "good" price to offset the risk. Vic also includes free worldwide shipping.

Mierce had £55 per 10 human infantry figures, or £5.50 per figure. Comparing non-resin to resin kickstarters isn't really a fair comparison.

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yeah but darklands rocks imho!

decker_cky wrote:
Mierce had £55 per 10 human infantry figures, or £5.50 per figure. Comparing non-resin to resin kickstarters isn't really a fair comparison.

Keep in mind that they're different materials sure - but the decision is where do my limited hobby dollars go, so ultimately you compare it to what else you can get, same material or otherwise.

Been waiting for the £100k breakthrough, it's only £500 away, but it's too damn late now and I need sleep - no doubt it will have smashed the goal by the time I awaken, looking forward to the updates from Prodos so we can see what is what and hopefully the next stretch goal...

decker_cky wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Some comparisons:
- Raging Heroes are at the "boutique" end of the scale, and their troops were $3 each.
- I paid $2.30 per new space marine (via the strike force bundle), an excellent new kit from GW.
- We pay less than $1 per mini for a lot of Mantics stuff, generally at most ~$2 at retail.
- The proven really high quality with lots of extra bits of Vics resin minis is $5 per mini which does lend some credence to the marines and aliens being $5... if we're sure what you get in the kits is worth it, but again as a KS you expect a "good" price to offset the risk. Vic also includes free worldwide shipping.

Mierce had £55 per 10 human infantry figures, or £5.50 per figure. Comparing non-resin to resin kickstarters isn't really a fair comparison.

During the Kingdom Death:Monster campaign individual pin-ups were offered for $15 in "plastic" (which ultimately became injection molded plastic, so yay Poots!), or $25 in resin. Of course, it's also important to note that KD is not 28mm scale, but 32mm, so considerably larger. Multipart plastic kits for making characters were sold at 4 for $25, or 20 for $50.

3 Predators at ~$40 are as expensive as any given expansion, and more then most, for KD:M (excepting the Lantern Festival, which at $45 contained two giant monsters, three 32mm characters and cards, cards, cards...).

 Pacific wrote:
Honestly.. think there is a lot of quibbling over minutiae at the moment! This is fething Aliens and Predator for Christ's sake! I'm still giggling like a little schoolgirl at the prospect of there finally being some decent miniatures for one of the coolest sci-fi franchises of all time.

At the moment this thread almost sounds like people hopping into bed with Salma Hayek and then complaining that she has a pimple on her ass

See, this is the power of a licensed property. To Pacific, this is "one of the coolest sci-fi franchises of all time".

To me, it's okay.

For the record, 100k has been broken, yay! Bring on the Hellhounds in the next 15-20k!

yay, 100k!

So I think I missed this part before.. so the kickstarter rewards for the base game is going to be the boxed game, but with only resin minis... and then late next year there will be a plastic minis version with different, 1-piece figures? Do backers get just the resin minis and not the "retail" versions at all? or do we get both?

 Buzzsaw wrote:
See, this is the power of a licensed property. To Pacific, this is "one of the coolest sci-fi franchises of all time".

To me, it's okay.

To me, ALIENS is "one of the coolest etc." ...and this KS is okay.

If you KS, you get resin multi part minis. If you buy retail, you get plastic single pose minis.

 Pacific wrote:

* For anyone not familiar with the comics, Machiko is a human who ends up rescuing and then fighting alongside a veteran Predator, who ends up giving her an honourary 'hunters mark' where she ultimately ends up fighting alongside a pack of other Predators..

There is loads of really cool artwork (even a collectable miniature) of her:

That's no miniature. It's a 12" Doll/1:6 scale model!

Sounds to me like there's no reason to wait for retail then, since you'll get inferior models. Kinda sad since I wanted to support my local store and buy it from them when it gets released, maybe now I won't bother at all.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
During the Kingdom Death:Monster campaign individual pin-ups were offered for $15 in "plastic" (which ultimately became injection molded plastic, so yay Poots!), or $25 in resin. Of course, it's also important to note that KD is not 28mm scale, but 32mm, so considerably larger.

I think the character models in resin from Kingdom Death are a good comparison, and as you say, they were $25 in resin. Predators aren't units, they're characters... I wish they were cheaper, and I hope we get multiple poses, but they're also more like 32mm models because they're tall. So, $16 apiece isn't absurd in that regard... just means you unfortunately can't really make units of them, while you can with the Aliens.

My dilemma is I want a unit of 6 PredAliens, which hurts my wallet quite a bit

 Souleater wrote:

Aeneades wrote:


Those free face huggers seem to be a last minute damage control addition.

the KS has been running for less than a day.

They actually appear to be a case of adding (back) in things to the core box which were cynically removed to use as stretch goals. I mean, face huggers in an "Aliens" game...


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 Buzzsaw wrote:
So, tumbled out of bed, checked my emails, and it seems time to get my complain on...
Second, the price disconnect between the Predators and everything else is just galling. In the picture below we seems (based on the renders) to have a Predator (30 GBP for 3) versus an Infant Warrior (15 GBP for 5). In other words, the figure on the left is a 10 GBP figure, the one on the right is a 3 GBP figure. Would you really look at that and think that one of those was more then three times as expensive as the other, really now? Uch.


By the way, yes, I recognize the Colonial Marines Sergeant is crazy expensive, but since I don't care about him someone else can grouse about it.

They've clearly made the choice to use the GW-style "Hero-model" and "Troops-model" pricing model, rather than going by the size of the figures.

That's a nice paint job on the xenomorph though, if nothing else. Much better than the "paint it black and gloss varnish" that I'm sure countless people will be doing when they get theirs.

 warboss wrote:

The commonly agreed upon "good movies" are Alien (Singular), Aliens (Plural sequel), and Predator. They're all from the late 70's to mid 80's so the effects will be a bit dated but they're great movies. If you expand beyond those 6 hours, you'll run into the movies that are OK overall but just don't live up to the originals beyond a few choice cool scenes (like swimming aliens and predator first aid). The only other thing I'd suggest is to watch the last 10 minutes of Predator 2 to see the inspiration for AVP as you see an alien skull on a Predator's trophy rack in his space ship. That scene set the stage for all this.

I'd add Predators (the recent Rodriguez film) to the "should see" after the 3 you mention, and then Alien 3 as also distantly recommended.

Airbrush will do an awesome job I think in not much time. Prime black, good coverage grey, light coverage light grey/white and finish with a thinned dark grey over everything to blend it, then maybe a wash.

SeanDrake wrote:
Oh lol reading the KS comments and I see there following the CMON school of customer service. Snide and sarcastic comments to backers with some backhanded insults to mantic mixed in as well.

Quote some here. I'm curious, but not interested enough to trawl through the pages of KS comments.

 Azazelx wrote:
Quote some here. I'm curious, but not interested enough to trawl through the pages of KS comments.

Would have to be winning lotto numbers or Emma Watson pics buried there to be interesting enough to wade through KS comments. *shudders*.

 RiTides wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
During the Kingdom Death:Monster campaign individual pin-ups were offered for $15 in "plastic" (which ultimately became injection molded plastic, so yay Poots!), or $25 in resin. Of course, it's also important to note that KD is not 28mm scale, but 32mm, so considerably larger.

I think the character models in resin from Kingdom Death are a good comparison, and as you say, they were $25 in resin. Predators aren't units, they're characters... I wish they were cheaper, and I hope we get multiple poses, but they're also more like 32mm models because they're tall. So, $16 apiece isn't absurd in that regard... just means you unfortunately can't really make units of them, while you can with the Aliens.

My dilemma is I want a unit of 6 PredAliens, which hurts my wallet quite a bit

Ehh, I would say that is a little too favorable to Prodos; the Predators are are multipart units rather then characters, which means they are really more comparable to the KD:M armor sprues, which are also 32mm. And were 4 for $25 or 20 for $50.

And let's just say they are equivalent (at least) in terms of details... (the Lantern Armor kit below are not characters, just two possible assembly of those sprues.)

Just caught up on the overnight posts on this. I agree with buzzsaw in that it's merely okay at this stage. While I've loved the look of the Aliens since I was a kid - and even the art design for the lesser films (I own this, this and this, amongst a lot of other things) but the KS will need to do a lot better in the next few weeks - especially since it really doesn't scale up well price-wise with things like those I linked.

The preds are far too expensive, as is the sergeant, while getting the same "freebies" at $500 as others do at $150 doesn't encourage staying in at the high level, either. While I'm sure the KS will improve over the next 3 weeks, Buzz makes a good point in that the time to make points is now, while the creators are somewhat listening - and not later when it's done and dusted..

I hope at some point there is a breakdown of what comes in the set. They say there is a female marine included does that mean there are bits to create one? Head variants? I have to remind myself it's only day one and answers will hopefully come.

 RiTides wrote:
Guys, thanks VERY much for the tips on what to watch, I'll try to get started on it this weekend

Going to prioritize:

Predator, Predators
Alien, Aliens

Predators getting in thanks to Hulk's and others' recommendation . Apparently no one like "Predator 2", I don't see that recommended anywhere

If I'm still going strong after these, I'll try Aliens 3

Predator 2 is pretty good. It doesn't really add a whole lot to the mythos, but you get more decent Predator kills and some memorable lines.

Also, there's a subway gang fight scene. With a predator.

A new day, we're at 103k, but no update yet.

I do hope that this isn't going to be like Into the Breach where we can only expect updates on working days, as I'm itching to see those sentry guns!

It's a pretty poor show to see these goals roll by with no update.

It's not earth shattering yet, but it would be missed dosh if left unattended for too long. Then again, it's a quarter past eight in the morning in the UK right now, so quite a few people are still asleep.

You have to take account of the time difference too.
Not only is it the weekend, but as I type it's only just past nine in the morning.
I'm not expecting an update quite yet.
I'm hoping for good sentry guns, plus a character upgrade (Hicks, Hudson, Drake, Vasquez, Gorman, etc)
I'd love the ability to frag Gorman to cause a diversion
An APC would be nice in the future, but wouldn't fit in the game, it being a Space Hulk style corridor layout.
Maybe if they do a miniature game.
I'm in this for the Colonial Marines, the Aliens and the Predators are just a bonus.