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I have one of the old necron warriors sitting with all my old ones and the white dwarf issue with all their rules. Who thinks it would be overkill if I made that necron have those stats?

Necrons actually shouldn't be that far off if following all fluff on this moment :p but still with the changes to come... who knows :p yet T8 scarabs? WTF!!

I think I'm gonna sneak in some of those 8T 2+ save scarabs in my next game

See, when you turbo boost the scarab they get 2+ save, or so I've been told/doing. Either way, though, the t8 is awesome.

2+ cover save

It doesn't like flamers at all, no my precious it doesn't...

forgot to put cover save, and just put save. Anyways, I hope the rumors of scarabs are true, or they return them to what they originally were. In my opinion, scarabs got a big nerf in 3rd edition, but I've only been playing since 5th edition, so I don't know if it was needed in 3rd or not.

So...you don't know if the nerf was needed, and haven't done any research into it, and still think they should go back to what they were? Ok...

Scarabs are still decent in 5th. Although not necessarily competitive they can demolish tanks if you get a little lucky and tie up units rather nicely.

Okay, so I read into stuff after Darkjediben's post, and they were needed. What wasn't needed was 5th edition helping close combat and orks. My only friend who I can play frequently runs orks. It's not fun. One match, he moved his orks 26'' (moved a trukk 12'', disembarked for 2'', waaagh!-ed 6'', and then assaulted the last 6''). I cried as I phased out for the 2nd time ever. All I ask for is a way to deal with that pesky problem, like the rumored c'tan's new ability to make all terrain difficult/dangerous.

monolith wall is a good start.

tiekwando wrote:monolith wall is a good start.

Yes when used correctly in conjunction with the terrain, they make awesome assault/road blocks for your enemy.

I'm not a fan of sweeping advance as the rule really pisses on older armies and is ignored by all marines. I hope it gets changed in 6th ed, or we have more fearless Necron units, or means to provide army with ATSKNF equivalent.

Necrons will make a rubbish horde army without some cost effective options for avoiding sweeping advance.

See, I'm okay with sweeping advance, it's just that I play against an ork player with an army who is weak against close combat. I've battled Tau and Imperial Guards, and I thank sweeping advance for existing when my swarms get all up in their grills. Also, monolith walls are great, so long as you weren't playing dawn of war...

In Dawn of War i'd reserve your warriors and keep to our back line. Let him come to you. Your guns are short ranged, but decent (bolters, with a glance on 6) and will chew up orks that get too close with rapid fire. Assaulting his boyz instead of him assualting you can actually be beneficial, as you will double your attacks, and he won't get charging bonus attacks or furious charge

Parking units behind monoliths works pretty well, as they are great big walls of near-iunvulnerability vs orks.

Try the Nightbringer out next time you are VS orks. His Etheric Tempest works well on anything with a S of 3.

Destroyers are good for moving around the place, shooting stuff up. Ork stuff breaks easy. Ork horde armies are amuch tougher challenge.

Also don't be afraid to teleport your units around instead of fooming the orks with the big Lith weapon, and be sure to have tomb spyders and/or a lord with Res Orb on hand.

Orks can dish out a ton of attacks in CC, but your T 4 and 3+ armour shoufl shrug them off pretty well, except for the powerklaw. Your attacks will have a 50/50 chance of hitting and wounding, and he only has a 6+ save to block them with.

I play both orks and necrons. Orks are beatable by necrons, even in CC, especially if you are taking 20 strong units instead of 10, with a resorb lord nearby. For extra jollies take a lord with gaze of flame and lightning field to return some of the CC love

Well dawn of war lasts 1 turn until you can put your units on the board... so dont deploy anything turn one, then move on your monoliths or place your crons further away from their trucks. Assuming the truks are deployed at the start. Otherwise you should have 1 full turn before the trucks can possibly hit your lines.

Plus, unless i'm wrong, the transport counts as one of the units that can be placed ahead of the rest.

That would give him oine trukk with innards set forward of the rest. Not that useful.

Our local tourney rules it that way Not 100% on whether it is a houserule or in the book.

That is indeed the correct rule. 1 DT plus the troops unit inside counts as two troops "selections" for Dawn of War deployment. The thing I think is fethed up about Dawn of War deployment is the fact that monoliths have NO WAY to get onto the board. They HAVE to deep strike, and that can really screw over crons in a way that they don't need to be screwed with the current state of the dex.

What???? C'tan as an elite unit? Now that doesn't make any sense. And if you can personalise them, that means no more Nightbringer and Deceiver of doom duo.

I think I may just buy the models before the codex changes... oh wait... finecast.

You'll still be able to pick up the metal ones on ebay i would have thought.

Thanks for all the hints. Can't wait to try some of these out on the ork player. I didn't know that the vehicle also is counted as a choice. he fielded two trukks with nob squads (He had a warboss, painboy, 2 special nobs of some sort that I cant remember, and 6 regular nobs in each squad). Can't remember if he fielded an hq, or if the bosses he said were his HQ's.

Back on topic: I kinda would like the C'tan being elites for deployment purposes, as of now, but I don't think they deserve the rumored lowering of importance fluff-wise. Oh well, just glad the rumors say I'll get more than 1 unit to choose for troops, and that they will cost less. I've always wanted to play 500 point matches, and not be limited to 2 squads of warriors and a lord with a res orb.

FalkorsRaiders wrote:Thanks for all the hints. Can't wait to try some of these out on the ork player. I didn't know that the vehicle also is counted as a choice. he fielded two trukks with nob squads (He had a warboss, painboy, 2 special nobs of some sort that I cant remember, and 6 regular nobs in each squad). Can't remember if he fielded an hq, or if the bosses he said were his HQ's.

Back on topic: I kinda would like the C'tan being elites for deployment purposes, as of now, but I don't think they deserve the rumored lowering of importance fluff-wise. Oh well, just glad the rumors say I'll get more than 1 unit to choose for troops, and that they will cost less. I've always wanted to play 500 point matches, and not be limited to 2 squads of warriors and a lord with a res orb.

yeah my friend, who I play all the time, has gotten into playing low point games instead of bigger ones recently. He tries to cap it at 600 points, there really is not a whole lot you can do with necrons at that point level, which is why I ended up switching to daemons for those games.

Small games are definitley more fun to play! Me and my friend had one of our best games ever at just 750 points.
Oh yah necron thread...
So I hear that Matt Ward went into work dressed as a BA today so that they could take a picture for inside the codex

tiekwando wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:Thanks for all the hints. Can't wait to try some of these out on the ork player. I didn't know that the vehicle also is counted as a choice. he fielded two trukks with nob squads (He had a warboss, painboy, 2 special nobs of some sort that I cant remember, and 6 regular nobs in each squad). Can't remember if he fielded an hq, or if the bosses he said were his HQ's.

Back on topic: I kinda would like the C'tan being elites for deployment purposes, as of now, but I don't think they deserve the rumored lowering of importance fluff-wise. Oh well, just glad the rumors say I'll get more than 1 unit to choose for troops, and that they will cost less. I've always wanted to play 500 point matches, and not be limited to 2 squads of warriors and a lord with a res orb.

yeah my friend, who I play all the time, has gotten into playing low point games instead of bigger ones recently. He tries to cap it at 600 points, there really is not a whole lot you can do with necrons at that point level, which is why I ended up switching to daemons for those games.

You could just house rule to not follow the FOC or change it a little so the requirement is 1 HQ and 2 different units minimum or something like that.

Matt Ward did that? I think that's legit.

Kevin949 wrote:

tiekwando wrote:
yeah my friend, who I play all the time, has gotten into playing low point games instead of bigger ones recently. He tries to cap it at 600 points, there really is not a whole lot you can do with necrons at that point level, which is why I ended up switching to daemons for those games.

You could just house rule to not follow the FOC or change it a little so the requirement is 1 HQ and 2 different units minimum or something like that.

That's very similar to playing with just AoBR box... the marines have 1 HQ, 1 unit of Troops and 2 units of Elites. The orks have 1 HQ, 2 Troops, 1 unit of Elites, and 1 unit of Fast Attack.

Here is my small scale Necron list at 583:
Lord with Orb
10 Warriors
5 Immortals
3 Wraiths

yeah, he is kinda stubborn because all of his lists can make the FOC relatively easily.

As president of the Mat Ward fan club, I truly hope that he writes the next Necron dex.

(Just a little hint of sarcasm)

tiekwando wrote:yeah, he is kinda stubborn because all of his lists can make the FOC relatively easily.

Could just say you don't want to play at that point range as it's boring for you (trust me, I understand your pain as I'd love to play smaller point games now and then but it's just so lame with necrons).

Small point games are fun in my opinion, and I'm gonna try and get out of the organization chart next time. Matt Ward will hopefully deliver less bang for the buck, and I'm hoping I can only field 1 hq with 500 points. On an unrelated note, sarcasm is great.

Is it wrong to hope that mat ward writes the necron book? I mean he writes overpowered codeci right? but they aren't overpowered in the grand scheme of things but very competitive. I think I will like that... for a change.

Also, isn't it weird that we had a large amount of rumors for a while and now nothing? a couple of weeks have gone by and just the c'tan rumor from BoK... hopefully more rumors will come next week

Sorry i stopped looking at this forum a while back. What are the C'Tan rumors from BoK. I don't want to search through the last how many pages.

Cheers