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Cyrixiinus wrote:
In terms of auxiliary forces in general, then yes Audax is just a prominent example. In terms of Titan Legions it is more like an anomaly. Even if a Legions theme has rubbed of onto a Titan Legio, that is not a Legion army. The other example would be Xestobiax; a Legio Xestobiax army is still not a Thousand Sons army. The point I am trying to make is that Titan Legios are not part of the Astartes Legions, so adding a Titan Legio that is closely aligned to a Legion is still not expanding Titanicus to the Legions.

In other words, I may be arguing over the semantics of your first post rather than the intent.

If he'd said - we want rules and parts to represent the more idiosyncratic legios then I think we'd all be agreeing.

Pretty much.

They could always do like in the game of old, and expand first into Superheavy tanks. I mean, Shadowswords are primarily engine killers. Probably not much difference in regards to shooting and movement between superheavy tanks and knights.

..and from there, it is but a short hop to infantry and the return of Epic scale gaming - YES!!!

I'm perfectly happy if AT stays a titan only game, but I'd also love some adorable little superheavies to paint.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I'm perfectly happy if AT stays a titan only game, but I'd also love some adorable little superheavies to paint.

Before baneblades and such, I would hope to see larger vehicles, like leviathans and capitol imperialis, and those mobile forgeshrines for knights. Possibly ordinatus minoris and possibly majoris later. Armigers may be a tad small for now, but hope to see dominus, cerastus, and acastus knights join the questoris onez.

Having the Ad Mech Titan and Knight Household support vehicles would be great

The Specialist Games team is going to work on Horus Heresy - Battlefleet Gothic after AT's release according to their seminars so a comeback of Epic in the next two years is very unlikely (aka definitely not happening). I hope they will focus on titans and the Horus Heresy for a while and release proper Chaos versions of the titan classes and stuff like Slaaneshi Knights and other chaos engines. Afterwards an expansion into Eldar and Ork titans including a full Eldar Knights revamp would be great enough. Adding too much stuff (like infantry, tanks and flyers) into the titan game is not a good idea imho.

And the days of reasonable sales numbers for plastic Epic armies are long gone if there ever were. The Specialist Games team has also said they cannot support more than a few games at a time.

I don't see a chance for a comeback of Epic anytime soon and will use the new titans with former edition's infantry and vehicle models for playing Epic with NetEpic and Armgeddon rules.

Wow, that looks cooler than I expected.

I don't think I'll jump into it myself, but I think it's pretty nice that so many people are excited for this.

Honestly as much as I love Epic as a game format I'd actually like to see GW bring back Warmaster instead of Epic. Warmaster (even if its Sigmar era) is the ideal home of rank and file tabletop; plus with endless spells being a thing now that would let you have even more powerful spell effects. Plus that scale lets big monsters like dragons, feel more like dragons when they cn set fire to a whole company of troops instead of 5 or 6 or so.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly as much as I love Epic as a game format I'd actually like to see GW bring back Warmaster instead of Epic. Warmaster (even if its Sigmar era) is the ideal home of rank and file tabletop; plus with endless spells being a thing now that would let you have even more powerful spell effects. Plus that scale lets big monsters like dragons, feel more like dragons when they cn set fire to a whole company of troops instead of 5 or 6 or so.

Agreed. With fantasy going skirmish it's actually a bether thing to since it won't "cannabalize" from the non rank and file game.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly as much as I love Epic as a game format I'd actually like to see GW bring back Warmaster instead of Epic. Warmaster (even if its Sigmar era) is the ideal home of rank and file tabletop; plus with endless spells being a thing now that would let you have even more powerful spell effects. Plus that scale lets big monsters like dragons, feel more like dragons when they cn set fire to a whole company of troops instead of 5 or 6 or so.

Bleughch, if they were going to AoS it I'd rather they didn't bother. It's hard enough to get games of stuff like Warmaster and Mordheim as it is, if they throw AoS versions into the mix then it'll be impossible - some kids(and kid-adults) already chuck a hissy if they're not allowed to use their Land Marines in Mordheim campaigns, if the "official" and "supported" version of the games allowed that then they'd be even more obnoxious.

Now don't get me wrong, Superheavy tanks are cool to me, but of course I want to see Eldar Titans with Wraithknights and Ork gargants with stompas first.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly as much as I love Epic as a game format I'd actually like to see GW bring back Warmaster instead of Epic. Warmaster (even if its Sigmar era) is the ideal home of rank and file tabletop; plus with endless spells being a thing now that would let you have even more powerful spell effects. Plus that scale lets big monsters like dragons, feel more like dragons when they cn set fire to a whole company of troops instead of 5 or 6 or so.

Bleughch, if they were going to AoS it I'd rather they didn't bother. It's hard enough to get games of stuff like Warmaster and Mordheim as it is, if they throw AoS versions into the mix then it'll be impossible - some kids(and kid-adults) already chuck a hissy if they're not allowed to use their Land Marines in Mordheim campaigns, if the "official" and "supported" version of the games allowed that then they'd be even more obnoxious.

To be fair Warmaster is a dead game and very unlikely that GW would bring it back, esp since they are clearly committed to Sigmar being the leading role for fantasy. I can't see Warmaster returning without it being the Sigmar version. The only way it could happen is massive demand as a result of the TW games; even then the "end of the world" that the TW campaigns are messing with honestly leads me to think that after the 3 Warhammer games we'll see Sigmar Total War.

 Overread wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly as much as I love Epic as a game format I'd actually like to see GW bring back Warmaster instead of Epic. Warmaster (even if its Sigmar era) is the ideal home of rank and file tabletop; plus with endless spells being a thing now that would let you have even more powerful spell effects. Plus that scale lets big monsters like dragons, feel more like dragons when they cn set fire to a whole company of troops instead of 5 or 6 or so.

Bleughch, if they were going to AoS it I'd rather they didn't bother. It's hard enough to get games of stuff like Warmaster and Mordheim as it is, if they throw AoS versions into the mix then it'll be impossible - some kids(and kid-adults) already chuck a hissy if they're not allowed to use their Land Marines in Mordheim campaigns, if the "official" and "supported" version of the games allowed that then they'd be even more obnoxious.

To be fair Warmaster is a dead game and very unlikely that GW would bring it back, esp since they are clearly committed to Sigmar being the leading role for fantasy. I can't see Warmaster returning without it being the Sigmar version. The only way it could happen is massive demand as a result of the TW games; even then the "end of the world" that the TW campaigns are messing with honestly leads me to think that after the 3 Warhammer games we'll see Sigmar Total War.

AoS wouldn't make a good TW game, it's better suited as a Dawn of War style RTS. The reason WHF works as a TW game is its basic structure is the same as the historical TW games - a planet of set size with continents and seas inhabited by various nation states all with defined borders and ambitions. To do TW in AoS you'd either have to drill down so far that its story would be meaningless on the scale of the setting, or come up with a completely new way of doing the overworld part of the game - it would be like trying to do a TW:40K game that took in the entire galaxy. Not to mention that CA would have to do a lot of the worldbuilding for their microsetting themselves, at which point why pay a license fee at all just do your own fantasy series. AoS is a much better fit for Dawn of War-style RTS games, DoW2's model in particular would work well for it - I'd wager Relic would be given a pop at doing the first "real" AoS videogame before CA, though they might be too busy with the new Age of Empires games.

And Warmaster is no more or less a "dead game" than Epic or BFG are or AT was.

Sigmar on the tabletop isn't rank and file but the actual battles in the setting would be closer to that. Just the same way the rank and file of actual fantasy warhammer was never close to the actual rank and file of the setting.

As for the over-map that could easily be done with a bit of creative work. CA could even invent some kind of super war on a single map area with the other factions gating-in at their own start locations to try and secure the region entirely. etc....

 Overread wrote:
Sigmar on the tabletop isn't rank and file but the actual battles in the setting would be closer to that. Just the same way the rank and file of actual fantasy warhammer was never close to the actual rank and file of the setting.

As for the over-map that could easily be done with a bit of creative work. CA could even invent some kind of super war on a single map area with the other factions gating-in at their own start locations to try and secure the region entirely. etc....

Prefer a boardgame type version for large scale AOS - so many cool boardgames with nice figures these days - can still use standard scale minis- to represent whole Chambers, armies etc.

Honestly if GW wanted to re-do a tabletop Warmaster for Age of Sigmar then tieing it into a release of Total War Sigmar would be a great marketing move

And GW AoSing Warmaster is bugger all to do with this topic so....

more pics from titanicus
http://novaopenfoundation.org/archives/product/2018-model-40k-mortarion

 aracersss wrote:
more pics from titanicus
http://novaopenfoundation.org/archives/product/2018-model-40k-mortarion

This appears to be a link to a charity auction of a studio painted GW model.

I don’t see anything AT in that link...

Methinks its the wrong list; however I suspect we don't see any GW news for a while - until the end of July or beginning of August. The only other Titanicus news we might see is more info from the computer game of the same name.

 Overread wrote:
Methinks its the wrong list; however I suspect we don't see any GW news for a while - until the end of July or beginning of August. The only other Titanicus news we might see is more info from the computer game of the same name.

There’s a forge world open day in two weeks, seems as good a time as any to unveil the Warhound.

changemod wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Methinks its the wrong list; however I suspect we don't see any GW news for a while - until the end of July or beginning of August. The only other Titanicus news we might see is more info from the computer game of the same name.

There’s a forge world open day in two weeks, seems as good a time as any to unveil the Warhound.

Perhaps even alternative knights like Cerastus, Dominus or Porphyrion...

changemod wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Methinks its the wrong list; however I suspect we don't see any GW news for a while - until the end of July or beginning of August. The only other Titanicus news we might see is more info from the computer game of the same name.

There’s a forge world open day in two weeks, seems as good a time as any to unveil the Warhound.

Plus weapon options which may include resin, aside from gencon the open day 15th of july is the main thingy where the specialist games team gets to show off stuff at their own location. I'd expect plenty of titanicus and necromunda stuff. Not as much blood bowl, since the dark elves will be out by that weekend as it is.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly if GW wanted to re-do a tabletop Warmaster for Age of Sigmar then tieing it into a release of Total War Sigmar would be a great marketing move

As would have releasing models or miniatures to coincide with any of the other licensed products GW has made.

Except they don't. The closest we have ever come is FW making an Angelos mini from DoWIII.

Noteworthy that this year's open day has seminars so they obviously want to talk about something .....

Right I've been chatting with several GW staff and I have bad news at launch the grandmaster boxset is limited to 20000 copies world wide with no more available until Xmas with a sale price of £180 and will NOT be available in-store



This is due to low production prority as it's only a specialist game

Grandmaster damion on the Bolter and Chainsword.

I really, really dislike these "limited time only! buy buy buy!" affairs. I want to give you money GW, I have it right here put aside for this, but now you demand that in order to be permitted to give it to you I have to fething camp out your website at 10am on a Saturday morning and hope I can get my transaction through before all the other folk doing the same thing, many of whom will doubtless be scalper-scum who'll turn around and stick them on ebay.

If the big "deal" box is limited to 20K global and webstore exclusive(which is will be, surely? They won't be willing to allocate any to online retailers if there's that few available), will it even be a deal any more compared to just buying all the parts on their own with 20-25% off?

Unless the production thing means stock of the whole launch range is going to be pretty scarce(hence why so little of it is getting put in the big showy discount box), which is a great way to ensure the game is stillborn.