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**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Have you read Shakespeare, timetowaste85?
Can I get some Heinlein level writing

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**ClockworkZion**

timetowaste85 wrote:
The fight was an excuse to primaris-ize Ragnar. Characters existing already don’t go through the process unless they’re already in a life or death situation because it can be potentially fatal. GW already put that in the lore. They needed a reason for Ragnar to get the treatment. Maybe it’s “comic book plot” to some, but GW lore shouldn’t be on the same level as Shakespeare. Comic book level works perfectly. Killing a major threat while suffering mortal wounds, waking up in a new body only to find out the threat you gave up everything for to wipe out somehow survived is...pretty standard Sci-Fi storytelling. I think a bunch of people need to unwind their panties here. I don’t even LIKE Space Wolves (hate them, actually), and have zero issue with how they handled this.

If you want Shakespeare level writing in 40k...you’re asking for something you’ll never get and were never promised. So give that up. 40k has always been about “fun”, not about “high literature”. If you’ve set your expectations too high, that’s your own problem.

You're mostly right, but you can get the upgrade without near death experiances being the excuse. A number of characters like Calgar and Tor Garadon fall into this camp as they did the upgrade to bridge the gap between old and new Marines for one reason or another.

The only other one I know of at the moment who did it with life threatening wounds was the Dark Angels captain.

Also Shakespeare wrote for the masses of his time and we only consider it high art because people decided that his style of prose was worth applauding. Not to mock Shakespheare but the man has a knack for crass humor most people miss because of his style of writing.

**Benionin**

I sure like checking up on this thread after two days to find some ten pages of pointless circular bickering about the lore with only a few posts actually dedicated to News and Rumors like the Fabius Bile reveal.

Isn't that what the 40k Background board is for?

Anyway, Bile coming back is interesting, and it does raise some questions in terms of structure. Having him be part of a finale book with a penny for every faction would kinda make sense as a concept but I feel like Bile isn't good enough to headline such a release. At the same time, although I know he operates independently I don't see him showing up randomly as either a solo job or connected to Death Guard, let alone connected to an Emperor's Children re-re-recover.
And personally, I'd prefer it if Chaos didn't get Spiky Primaris, especially with the new CSM kits coming out last year.

**the_scotsman**

Benionin wrote:
I sure like checking up on this thread after two days to find some ten pages of pointless circular bickering about the lore with only a few posts actually dedicated to News and Rumors like the Fabius Bile reveal.

Isn't that what the 40k Background board is for?

Anyway, Bile coming back is interesting, and it does raise some questions in terms of structure. Having him be part of a finale book with a penny for every faction would kinda make sense as a concept but I feel like Bile isn't good enough to headline such a release. At the same time, although I know he operates independently I don't see him showing up randomly as either a solo job or connected to Death Guard, let alone connected to an Emperor's Children re-re-recover.
And personally, I'd prefer it if Chaos didn't get Spiky Primaris, especially with the new CSM kits coming out last year.

I mean, I'd be incredibly surprised if we didn't see new plastic warp spiders and a warp spider pheonix lord (since that's been heavily hinted at in a few of the PA books) and it sounds like fabulous bill would be coming along with some emperors children goodies, maybe a new noise marine kit.

Slaanesh Marines vs Eldar would make sense for a central conflict, though yet another eldar box set after the last disastrous one woul be a head scratcher.

Total wishlisting, but you know who would be a neat foil for ol frankenstein marine is a plastic Urien Rakarth and a Grotesque kit. Frankenstein Evil Primaris vs Frankenstein Evil Drukhari!

**pm713**

Why would we be getting Warp Spiders now? The logical time for it was at the start with the rest of the Craftworld stuff. Plus I doubt GW are going to give us a new Phoenix Lord when they can't even do the existing ones well.

**Asmodai**

Benionin wrote:
I sure like checking up on this thread after two days to find some ten pages of pointless circular bickering about the lore with only a few posts actually dedicated to News and Rumors like the Fabius Bile reveal.

Isn't that what the 40k Background board is for?

Anyway, Bile coming back is interesting, and it does raise some questions in terms of structure. Having him be part of a finale book with a penny for every faction would kinda make sense as a concept but I feel like Bile isn't good enough to headline such a release. At the same time, although I know he operates independently I don't see him showing up randomly as either a solo job or connected to Death Guard, let alone connected to an Emperor's Children re-re-recover.
And personally, I'd prefer it if Chaos didn't get Spiky Primaris, especially with the new CSM kits coming out last year.

It's extremely unlikely that he's part of a finale book.

We know that Bile is in War of the Spider from the heading of the Facebook preview pic.

We know that War of the Spider left China on 12/30/2019 from the port scrying, which would put it next after Engine War.

We also know that GW still needs to cover Deathwatch, Custodes, Sisters of Battle, Harlequins, Necrons and Death Guard in Psychic Awakening from their various announcements.

It seems very improbable that War of the Spider would cover 6+ factions when most other books cover 2 or 3.

And if War of the Spider isn't the finale, as claimed by the 4chan/B&C rumour, there's little reason to give any of the rest of that rumour weight.

**Kanluwen**

pm713 wrote:
Why would we be getting Warp Spiders now? The logical time for it was at the start with the rest of the Craftworld stuff. Plus I doubt GW are going to give us a new Phoenix Lord when they can't even do the existing ones well.

Any number of reasons, really. There might be a novel they plan on releasing or they might be tied in with the Webway War book that's purported to be coming out later.

Might also just be a way to slowly prime the pump for an 8.5 codex revamp so they don't bottleneck their production.

**BrianDavion**

besides, we're getting Bile and CSMs have already got a release.

**the_scotsman**

Kanluwen wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Why would we be getting Warp Spiders now? The logical time for it was at the start with the rest of the Craftworld stuff. Plus I doubt GW are going to give us a new Phoenix Lord when they can't even do the existing ones well.

Any number of reasons, really. There might be a novel they plan on releasing or they might be tied in with the Webway War book that's purported to be coming out later.

Might also just be a way to slowly prime the pump for an 8.5 codex revamp so they don't bottleneck their production.

I am guessing that due to their power capacity issues, GW was for a long time limited in the new figures they could come out with, and were stuck releasing a bunch of what the studio deemed to be "safe bets" while having updated, fairly new CAD files for a bunch of stuff that isn't in line with the new business plan. I'm talking about stuff like plastic sisters, plastic aspect warriors, plastic old-style chaos marines, plastic high elves, plastic drazar and incubi, etc. Psychic Awakening is a book tie-in designed to help them release some of the jumble that they've put design money into but haven't reaped any profits from.

Warp Spiders were HEAVILY implied to be coming in PA: The Greater Good, where a random side-story disconnected to the plot states that some imperial guardsmen were ambushed by eldar xenos of the Warp Spider warrior group and that those Warp Spiders made off with a suit of ancient Xenos armor.

Maybe they're not coming in "The War of the Spider" but like...come on. Seems like a weird thing to pass up until later if you're gonna name it that.

**aracersss**

salt trucks for this

**Galas**

So basically everything we allready knew and was confirmed with a bunch of "plausible" speculation based on the GAMA teasers.

Looks typical 4chan clickbait. People is so boring today. I miss the old crazy-ball rumours about epic stuff nobody saw coming! Or things like the Mortarion leak or the primaris leak. Those were the times.

**tneva82**

Only issue with that is War of the spider was already linked by GW to PA...Which makes that rather dubious. Nothing special there you couldn't easily come up with yourself by now.

**An Actual Englishman**

Why would anyone buy a (presumably) expensive campaign book for the likes of one relic?

Particularly those whose PA has only recently released.

Rumour looks like wishlisting to me too.

EC have featured in PA already, FnF had them. Same with Eldar. I think it's more likely we see a totally new faction, myself.

**Kid_Kyoto**

BrianDavion wrote:
Yarrick may be a pretty bad ass comissar, but at the end of the day he's an old human being, the idea of him beating Ghaz in a hand to hand duel is Ludercris.

even as a IoM fan I'd call bs if Yarrick beat (even temporarily) Ghaz.

DreadYarrick? BaneYarrick? Imperial Yarrknight?

**BrianDavion**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Why would anyone buy a (presumably) expensive campaign book for the likes of one relic?

Particularly those whose PA has only recently released.

Rumour looks like wishlisting to me too.

EC have featured in PA already, FnF had them. Same with Eldar. I think it's more likely we see a totally new faction, myself.

Fabius Bile isn't the EC "posterboy" anyway, he actually lacks the EC keyword

**An Actual Englishman**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Yarrick may be a pretty bad ass comissar, but at the end of the day he's an old human being, the idea of him beating Ghaz in a hand to hand duel is Ludercris.

even as a IoM fan I'd call bs if Yarrick beat (even temporarily) Ghaz.

DreadYarrick? BaneYarrick? Imperial Yarrknight?

Thanks, now I want to see BaneYarrick and Imperial YarriKnight against Ghaz.

BrianDavion wrote:
Fabius Bile isn't the EC "posterboy" anyway, he actually lacks the EC keyword

Huh, I never knew that! Maybe all the R&H fanboys will finally get a plastic army?

**the_scotsman**

It would make more sense for him to be leading RnH than chaos space marines. He's been a weird renegade type dude for a while.

**BrianDavion**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Yarrick may be a pretty bad ass comissar, but at the end of the day he's an old human being, the idea of him beating Ghaz in a hand to hand duel is Ludercris.

even as a IoM fan I'd call bs if Yarrick beat (even temporarily) Ghaz.

DreadYarrick? BaneYarrick? Imperial Yarrknight?

Thanks, now I want to see BaneYarrick and Imperial YarriKnight against Ghaz.

BrianDavion wrote:
Fabius Bile isn't the EC "posterboy" anyway, he actually lacks the EC keyword

Huh, I never knew that! Maybe all the R&H fanboys will finally get a plastic army?

well, Bile is and should be, a space marine character, he's just sort of a free agent. (he's one of those chars you can take penalty free in any detachment.. making him an ideal character to get a ravamp as every CSM player can potentially want him) but I do think a new R&H is inevitable. they've been slowly crafting the needed minis with BSF

**NinthMusketeer**

Snrub wrote:
Tygre wrote:
Yarrick should be permanently retired (with the rest of Guard characters). He was pulled out of retirement for Armageddon 3, so by now he will be ancient. If the Indominus (spelling?) Crusade was a couple of centuries most humans would have retired (permanent or otherwise).
I tend to avoid these discussions, but as a Yarrick lover I feel inclined to weigh in. They easily could have slotted Yarrick into this story line and it wouldn't have even been forced. So after Armageddon 3, Yarrick and the Black Templars went crusading to hunt down Ghaz and finally bring him to justice. Cue the end of A3.
Jump forward to post-Indominus M42. and Ghaz has returned bigger and better then ever. Now at this point just about any living human would be dead through old age alone, especially someone has old as Yarrick who was already old during the 2nd War. But with aid of ill-understood Cryo-stasis archeotech, the Old Man appears fit and able and ready to finally destroy his Nemesis!
Montage a quick chase sense across a couple of systems, the trading of a few pot shots here and there, and then finally *The Battle*!
They duke it out until Yarrick gets the upper hand, snips old mates noggin off and believes the threat finished. Heroically dies of his horrific wounds, but doesn't live long enough to see some cretin make off with the head. Screen-wipe to Mad Dok stitching the head back on, laughing like a nutter.

Conclusion.
Imperials get what they want; A BAMF doing BAMF things like cutting the head off the most violent ovesized fungus in more then 700 centuries.
Orks get what they want; Orks winning something, and more importantly, Orks winning THE Duel.
The story moves forward and we managed to kill of a named character.
Everyone wins!

Would have loved to see this.

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timetowaste85 wrote:
The fight was an excuse to primaris-ize Ragnar. Characters existing already don’t go through the process unless they’re already in a life or death situation because it can be potentially fatal. GW already put that in the lore. They needed a reason for Ragnar to get the treatment. Maybe it’s “comic book plot” to some, but GW lore shouldn’t be on the same level as Shakespeare. Comic book level works perfectly. Killing a major threat while suffering mortal wounds, waking up in a new body only to find out the threat you gave up everything for to wipe out somehow survived is...pretty standard Sci-Fi storytelling. I think a bunch of people need to unwind their panties here. I don’t even LIKE Space Wolves (hate them, actually), and have zero issue with how they handled this.

If you want Shakespeare level writing in 40k...you’re asking for something you’ll never get and were never promised. So give that up. 40k has always been about “fun”, not about “high literature”. If you’ve set your expectations too high, that’s your own problem.

Shakespere is overrated anyways. A lot of it is pretentious nonsense. His comedies are the absolute gold.

**Da Boss**

Yeah they don't want to keep making that finecast model anyway, better to get rid of all non-primaris human special characters as they can more easily be made into cool plastic kits that can be sold.
If you are gonna sell human officers they should just be faceless nobodies in a command squad so as not to distract from the actual point of the game.

**NinthMusketeer**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Yarrick may be a pretty bad ass comissar, but at the end of the day he's an old human being, the idea of him beating Ghaz in a hand to hand duel is Ludercris.

even as a IoM fan I'd call bs if Yarrick beat (even temporarily) Ghaz.

DreadYarrick? BaneYarrick? Imperial Yarrknight?

Or Yarrick shows up to the duel, starts charging towards Ghaz, clearly has no hope-then Ghaz gets hit with an artillery shell. Yarrick goes for the deathblow knowing if Ghaz has even a moment to recover his senses it's over, and takes off his head. At this point there's dust and debris everywhere, Yarrick is barely standing and has shrapnel wounds all over, staggers off to report that he beheaded the beast then dies from his injuries. Storm troopers go in to confirm the kill and drag back Ghaz' headless corpse which is hung as a display. But little do they know...

**123ply**

I love Ghazzys model but hate his klaw. The thumb digit is placed where it is almost useless. The way itd designed, its more like scissors than a claw becaude the thumb can only move in two directions.

How it SHOULD have been done is how Gorgutz's upgraded klaw is done. 5 digits with 3 outside and 2 inside, like a normal power klaw but with 2 extra blades. It looks better and makes more sense. I also would have liked his armour to look for like mega armour and less like somthing from AoS Orcs.

Also, I wish they would keep selling the old ghaz to use as a generic mega armoured warboss

**Carnikang**

That one guy taking the Progenoid gland out of the Primaris marine is huge for a human. It's be nice if CSM didn't get Primaris, but got giant weird warped humans, ala Fabiousing.

**pm713**

I'd love some gland hounds.

**NinthMusketeer**

Carnikang wrote:
That one guy taking the Progenoid gland out of the Primaris marine is huge for a human. It's be nice if CSM didn't get Primaris, but got giant weird warped humans, ala Fabiousing.

One might call them fabulous.

**cuda1179**

I'd totally be down for not-Primaris Fabious Bile creations. Something like a mildly supped-up marine, but perhaps with some kind of random upside/downside.

**ClockworkZion**

Galas wrote:
So basically everything we allready knew and was confirmed with a bunch of "plausible" speculation based on the GAMA teasers.

Looks typical 4chan clickbait. People is so boring today. I miss the old crazy-ball rumours about epic stuff nobody saw coming! Or things like the Mortarion leak or the primaris leak. Those were the times.

Okay, let's get nuts with the predictions:
Yarrick will become a Dreadnought.
Bile will be leading a new Chaos subfaction of New Man giving us a Chaos Mortals faction
There is a consolidated edition update coming, but the first release will be an update series of Imperial Armour books.
There are no Primarchs coming.
The Silent King is coming though.
Tyranids still won't get a new update to reflect their changing biomorphs or a new hive fleet, but we might see a new paint scheme if we're really good for Christmas.

And just to go really out there:
The post PA update will be the birth of the Starchild plot line.

**GaroRobe**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Galas wrote:
So basically everything we allready knew and was confirmed with a bunch of "plausible" speculation based on the GAMA teasers.

Looks typical 4chan clickbait. People is so boring today. I miss the old crazy-ball rumours about epic stuff nobody saw coming! Or things like the Mortarion leak or the primaris leak. Those were the times.

Okay, let's get nuts with the predictions:
Yarrick will become a Dreadnought.
Bile will be leading a new Chaos subfaction of New Man giving us a Chaos Mortals faction
There is a consolidated edition update coming, but the first release will be an update series of Imperial Armour books.
There are no Primarchs coming.
The Silent King is coming though.
Tyranids still won't get a new update to reflect their changing biomorphs or a new hive fleet, but we might see a new paint scheme if we're really good for Christmas.

And just to go really out there:
The post PA update will be the birth of the Starchild plot line.

Oh, you want to get nuts? Okay, let's get nuts.

Yarrick loses his other arm to Ghaz, but manages to cut off his claw arm. Now Yarrick can rock a dual power claw look.
The Silent King gets a model, similar to that new Bonereaper Mortarch. He has three retainers, who not only soak up wounds but provide a ton of buffs. Once the three are dead, the Silent King can no longer buff units, as he lost his speaking voice.
Fabulous Bill doesn't get his own army, but a minidex like the Shadowspear minidex.
Fulgrim doesn't come out with the Bill book, but it heavily, heavily hints at it. Maybe a mysterious figure contancts Bill at the end of the book, and Bill says something like "its good to see, my primarch. I mean, something more vague."

**BrianDavion**

Yarrick it is revealed has been executed for heresy, something about daring to pollute his human form with a xenotech graft.. *eyes the power claw*

**nokranok**

We also know that GW still needs to cover Deathwatch, Custodes, Sisters of Battle, Harlequins, Necrons and Death Guard in Psychic Awakening from their various announcements.

Are daemon still on the menu? I thought they were planned in March, right?