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This is one area where gw's secrecy policy surely works against them- no one knows what the armies and models will be like in the future, aside from stormcast, khorne, seraphon - i thought sylvaneth were wood spirits, but the black friday deals show wood elves with them too!
As for archaon, it is a good model: just rather big for the tabletop. Makes fighting in terrain almost impossible with a base that big.

 warboss wrote:


Slaneesh has been voldemorte'd IIRC from the initial AOS release threads. He got kidnapped or beat up or something in the fluff and, like Nazi Ork Stormboys in 40k, has been disavowed as not politically correct or family friendly. And, yes, I do see the irony in the blood for the blood god or any chaos god getting a pass as ironic but apparently eviseration and decapitation are OK whereas showing a nipple (or a dozen nipples) isn't.

You've seen American 'cinema', right? Guns, blood, and guts everywhere, as much as you want, and you can get away with a PG-13 rating. Show a little skin or start cursing, and you get hit with an R. Or, as I heard WAY too many times while working at GameStop: "I don't care if my kid plays Call of Duty, and long there isn't any sex in it."

Mario wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:


The reason why AoS figures cost so much more than the WHFB is simply that GW expect to sell less of them due to smaller army size, and also need to make up the money of lost sales of rules and army books.

People complained that WHFB is too expensive to start a new army (of okay-ish size) and now we get a game that needs fewer models but they cost more. I don't know if that idea would have helped even if they just had released WHFB+1 instead of AOS.

...

It's mathematical logic.

Of course, there's a lot of rumouring that AoS has been a failure, so perhaps the strategy of fewer models but more expensive for the same money is wrong.

GW can afford for each player to spend less if they can get more players to spend.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, of all the things that have been going on with AOS, the skull pustules on everything Chaos are really driving me crazy!

Outside of this model, the Glottkin, and the Korgorath, what else has them?

This guy.

Yeah, the skull-itis seems to be a pretty common theme with the "new" Chaos in AOS. Anything demonic seems like it's going to have at least a couple of skulls jammed into its skin to signify how scary it is.

With the Glottkin, I suppose I didn't think about it because it was just Nurgle, so there's going to be some level of death and bones integrated into those models. With everything else though, it just looks really out of place, like there are skulls just free-floating around inside of their bodies

Normally I love GWs sculpts but the recent AoS has been bad and the new Archaon is the worst GW model I have ever seen.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
C'mon RiTides, you and I both know there would have been rancor no matter what they did.

And you'd have to be quite naïve to think the change to AoS is somehow no different (or of no greater significance) than the changes WFB has gone through in the past.

Oh, let's not let facts get in the way of the kneejerk GW defence...


OT- I've not noticed this mentioned, but seriously "Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse"? What a fething stupid name. What an unChaos-like name to give to the unrivalled leader of Chaos forces. "Grand Marshal" is not a rank or title I would EVER associate with Chaos. I could come up with far better titles just off the top of my head "Supreme Overlord", "Conquerer of the Apocalypse", "The Blight of Order". In fact, use all of the titles. If it's good enough for Danerys Targeryen it's good enough for Archaon.

gak model
gak name.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, it did ruin GW formation based fantasy, but there is thankfully Kings of War for that - folks who are unhappy with AoS should just switch over, imo.

It "ruined it" in the same way that 5th/6th/7th/8th edition of WHFB "ruined the game".

It's different. People don't like things changing, and will devote substantial amounts of effort to complain about things changing, especially if they see other people supposedly supporting their stances.

I get that people feel this deep need to defend their purchases, but pretending previous edition changes are even remotely similar to the total obliteration of the existing rules & background that came with AoS is doing more to prove the point you're arguing against than not, frankly.

Totally agree on this. Previous editions still had the core fluff and core game dynamics which Warhammer fans loved. All that was discarded to bring in a game using the same brand name but with simplistic rules and bad fluff. Seriously can't see how anyone could compare the previous transitions to what has happened between 8th and Aos

 Kilkrazy wrote:


It's mathematical logic.

Of course, there's a lot of rumouring that AoS has been a failure, so perhaps the strategy of fewer models but more expensive for the same money is wrong.

GW can afford for each player to spend less if they can get more players to spend.

The problem I see is that WHFB was already very expensive if one wanted a decent army and AoS corrected that downwards but not enough to make starting an army that much cheaper/easier. You still probably want/need that center piece model for $150 (or $130/170, Archaon won't be the last of the big boys) and two or three squads. You don't need to buy the rules because they are only four pages but you have to collect all the warscrolls. The startup cost for something decently sized still seems to be a few hundred dollars (instead of shooting past $500). My guess is that a lot of potential new customers compare it to starting a new console generation or to some board-game and in both cases it probably falls short, no matter how wrong the comparison is (because if you have to build it on your own and if you are not used to that then it's not a feature but a burden). If you are not a wargamer you come into this with a different point of view. It's no wonder that the Hobbit miniatures didn't sell if a newcomer's comparison point are regular toys from a toy store. Even if they know scale models they know the cheaper, historical ones and in that moment any GW related value is not part of the calculation.

If they wanted the board game crowd they should have gone all in and if they wanted a wargame they should have focused on that. Right now it looks like they wanted to target both groups but are left stranded in some no man's land middle ground where enthusiastic customer are not a given and they are not even promoting their brand new game.

Neither the game nor their marketing efforts or the price point seem to be aimed at a group of people big enough to make AoS with fewer but more expensive models a success comparable to LotR or 40k. I have my doubts that it will surpass WHFB once the launch enthusiasm is gone.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
C'mon RiTides, you and I both know there would have been rancor no matter what they did.

And you'd have to be quite naïve to think the change to AoS is somehow no different (or of no greater significance) than the changes WFB has gone through in the past.

Oh, let's not let facts get in the way of the kneejerk GW defence...


OT- I've not noticed this mentioned, but seriously "Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse"? What a fething stupid name. What an unChaos-like name to give to the unrivalled leader of Chaos forces. "Grand Marshal" is not a rank or title I would EVER associate with Chaos. I could come up with far better titles just off the top of my head "Supreme Overlord", "Conquerer of the Apocalypse", "The Blight of Order". In fact, use all of the titles. If it's good enough for Danerys Targeryen it's good enough for Archaon.

gak model
gak name.

Actually the3 name is worse, its EXALTED grand marshal of the apocalypse. I don't know why "Herald of the Apocalypse" was too hard to conjure up, but hey...

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, of all the things that have been going on with AOS, the skull pustules on everything Chaos are really driving me crazy!

Outside of this model, the Glottkin, and the Korgorath, what else has them?

This guy.

I've looked at that guy a long time now but I can't find any skulls growing out of him.
He has some kind of skull helmet and or course the required liberal slew of skull ornaments on his armour, but no skull pustules I can see.

@zywus- they're poking out of his tummy, where his abs should be.

Is that skulls? Couldn't tell from the picture.

 Zywus wrote:
Is that skulls? Couldn't tell from the picture.

If those aren't skulls they're the weirdest intestines I've ever seen.

Khul has been on a low-calorie skull diet lately.

The skull-flesh is to me an inexplicable design choice, it ruins the models. I can somewhat understand it on the Khorgorath to make it stand out as a unique concept, but why on earth are Khul's intestines made out of skulls? Same goes for Archaon.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, it did ruin GW formation based fantasy, but there is thankfully Kings of War for that - folks who are unhappy with AoS should just switch over, imo.

It "ruined it" in the same way that 5th/6th/7th/8th edition of WHFB "ruined the game".

It's different. People don't like things changing, and will devote substantial amounts of effort to complain about things changing, especially if they see other people supposedly supporting their stances.

I get that people feel this deep need to defend their purchases, but pretending previous edition changes are even remotely similar to the total obliteration of the existing rules & background that came with AoS is doing more to prove the point you're arguing against than not, frankly.

Hit the nail on the head Yodhrin

I quite like the skulls bursting from the flesh look. Though I'd paint it in a more ethereal scheme rather than the bone paint scheme they've gone for.

Another awesome name from GW xD

Battletome: Everchosen!

You know, Archaon, the Everchosen, with his Everchosen Warband of Everchosen Warriors ...

 Red Corsair wrote:
I don't know why "Herald of the Apocalypse" was too hard to conjure up, but hey...

"Hear me, pitiful mortals! Your world is doomed! It is the end times, and you will all- what? What do you mean I'm late? It's already happened? Why didn't anyone tell me?"

 -DE- wrote:
Khul has been on a low-calorie skull diet lately.

The skull-flesh is to me an inexplicable design choice, it ruins the models. I can somewhat understand it on the Khorgorath to make it stand out as a unique concept, but why on earth are Khul's intestines made out of skulls? Same goes for Archaon.

I didn't even notice the skulls on Khul until they were pointed out.

The Korgoraths are creatures which are captured and brought to the Brass Citadel, where Khorne reshapes them into forms more pleasing to him. The guy loves his skulls. It makes sense. And Khul is practically immortal, having been bestowed gifts and lifetimes for his work by Khorne, so I guess Khorne might've been like, "Dude, you rule, but you know what would be even better? Skulls man. In your belly. Hells yeah." So I guess it fits.

I don't know the story of Archaon, but I think the three heads are the three beasts that the Chaos gods sent after him. I don't know how he sewed them together to make one bigger beast, but I guess it would make sense if the blood god beast's corruption infected the rest of the creature - but I don't see any Nurgle rot going on outside of the middle head. I don't know.

 Sqorgar wrote:
The Korgoraths are creatures which are captured and brought to the Brass Citadel, where Khorne reshapes them into forms more pleasing to him. The guy loves his skulls. It makes sense.

No, that makes no sense. Khorne loves collecting skulls, because it means somebody killed an enemy in his name and offered Khorne a trophy of his kill. Skull acne does not have the thing that Khorne actually likes about skulls, and so it is stupid.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
Khul has been on a low-calorie skull diet lately.

The skull-flesh is to me an inexplicable design choice, it ruins the models. I can somewhat understand it on the Khorgorath to make it stand out as a unique concept, but why on earth are Khul's intestines made out of skulls? Same goes for Archaon.

I didn't even notice the skulls on Khul until they were pointed out.

The Korgoraths are creatures which are captured and brought to the Brass Citadel, where Khorne reshapes them into forms more pleasing to him. The guy loves his skulls. It makes sense. And Khul is practically immortal, having been bestowed gifts and lifetimes for his work by Khorne, so I guess Khorne might've been like, "Dude, you rule, but you know what would be even better? Skulls man. In your belly. Hells yeah." So I guess it fits.

I don't know the story of Archaon, but I think the three heads are the three beasts that the Chaos gods sent after him. I don't know how he sewed them together to make one bigger beast, but I guess it would make sense if the blood god beast's corruption infected the rest of the creature - but I don't see any Nurgle rot going on outside of the middle head. I don't know.

Regarding Archaon: That's 'technically' the same mount he's been using for years. After he pleased the Chaos Gods by ending the World-that-Was, they apparently decided to show their favor by - among other things - reshaping Dorghar into a massive new form. This would be represented by the three heads, each of which represents a Chaos God that isn't being held prisoner by Tyrion. (There you go, folks: Slaanesh isn't retconned out of existence just yet, s/he is just absent and unable to participate in reshaping the Steed of the Apocalypse.) Oh, and Nurgle to to beast's left, not the middle - that would be Tzeentch.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Regarding Archaon: That's 'technically' the same mount he's been using for years. After he pleased the Chaos Gods by ending the World-that-Was, they apparently decided to show their favor by - among other things - reshaping Dorghar into a massive new form. This would be represented by the three heads, each of which represents a Chaos God that isn't being held prisoner by Tyrion. (There you go, folks: Slaanesh isn't retconned out of existence just yet, s/he is just absent and unable to participate in reshaping the Steed of the Apocalypse.) Oh, and Nurgle to to beast's left, not the middle - that would be Tzeentch.

I'm curious what the go is there with the lack of the head. I can only see 2 scenarios here, 1) Slaanesh is going to stay locked up for a LONG time, and for all intents and purposes what we are seeing is the first stage of squatting him/her when the next edition comes around or 2) Slaanesh will be back before too long and then for the rest of the model's lifespan Archaon will look silly because his beasts is missing a head.


In fact I totally get the fluff reason not to have a Slaanesh head, but you know what screw the fluff reason there isn't one. The damn thing should have 4 heads for the 4 gods. It is clearly supposed to represent the fact he is the champion of chaos undivided, his shield has the mark of Slaanesh to represent that, it should have a dammed 4th head.

When Slaanesh returns they will probably release a strap-on to add the fourth head.

YES

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
When Slaanesh returns they will probably release a strap-on to add the fourth head.

Just 3 pairs of boobs will do just fine.

It feels like a very Warmachine name ala Supreme Archdomina Makeda and such.

I'm encouraged by the fact that there's a Slaanesh symbol on his shield, on the box, and that the Slaanesh "bundle" exists...

 Red_Zeke wrote:
It feels like a very Warmachine name ala Supreme Archdomina Makeda and such.

I'm encouraged by the fact that there's a Slaanesh symbol on his shield, on the box, and that the Slaanesh "bundle" exists...

Slaanesh is NOT dead, there will be even a Slaanesh formation in Battletome: Everchosen, and Slaaneshi Daemons follow Archaon ...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Age-of-Sigmar-Rangefinder
£20 for a Tape Measure Guh

 Atia wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:
It feels like a very Warmachine name ala Supreme Archdomina Makeda and such.

I'm encouraged by the fact that there's a Slaanesh symbol on his shield, on the box, and that the Slaanesh "bundle" exists...

Slaanesh is NOT dead, there will be even a Slaanesh formation in Battletome: Everchosen, and Slaaneshi Daemons follow Archaon ...

Oooh!

 Llamahead wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Age-of-Sigmar-Rangefinder
£20 for a Tape Measure Guh

Actually, it's even less useful than a real tape measure due to the lack of units smaller than 1/2 inch. But I'm sure they'll sell out!