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 ImAGeek wrote:
Ah so basically Stormcast weren't a real release because you don't collect them? Got it

Yes lol. I was never trying to make a point, just expressing my excitement for an AoS release that finally appeals to me.

 Eldarain wrote:
Skarsnik on a Gobbla the size of a small child?

As much as I want this I honestly doubt we will see anything fun wise for goblins or whatever they call them now.

Maybe we could call goblins and Gnoblars the new collective race, the Gnobgobblars.

On topic, I really wish they would use their technical expertise to make new 25mm models of anything, rather than plastic versions of monsters of the type and size Forgeworld might produce in resin.

Getting tired of seeing new releases for Warhammer: Age of Giant Stuff.

Back on topic...
Archaon is to much money, too big, to ugly, and looks like it will be a great dust collector for most people.

migooo wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Skarsnik on a Gobbla the size of a small child?

As much as I want this I honestly doubt we will see anything fun wise for goblins or whatever they call them now.

O&G is probably the faction with more options so its not like we need more crazy stuff, to be honest I would be happy with just one plastic squig box.

Looking forward to the Dwarfs getting updated. Teeth gnashing about whether to get the bundle now. If I don't, I'd probably never collect Dwarfs, because I can't justify $60 CAN for 10 model squads. But somehow I can justify $325...

Anyone notice those Chaos web bundles (with no discounts) for each of the gods? I'd be intrigued if it wasn't just a pile of Warriors in every one. The monopose troop figures don't transition so well to AoS I find.

It seems like Night Goblins, Forest Goblins and Savage Orcs are all not changing aesthetic, whereas regular Orcs might be, as they haven't been included in any round base shots while the others have.

The Stormcast expansion set is a great package. So glad to see 2x Judicators in it and no Liberators. I hope we get more army bundles/expansion packs in the future for all the factions.

coldgaming wrote:
Looking forward to the Dwarfs getting updated. Teeth gnashing about whether to get the bundle now. If I don't, I'd probably never collect Dwarfs, because I can't justify $60 CAN for 10 model squads. But somehow I can justify $325...

Anyone notice those Chaos web bundles (with no discounts) for each of the gods? I'd be intrigued if it wasn't just a pile of Warriors in every one. The monopose troop figures don't transition so well to AoS I find.

It seems like Night Goblins, Forest Goblins and Savage Orcs are all not changing aesthetic, whereas regular Orcs might be, as they haven't been included in any round base shots while the others have.

The Stormcast expansion set is a great package. So glad to see 2x Judicators in it and no Liberators. I hope we get more army bundles/expansion packs in the future for all the factions.

I agree that the Chaos Warriors do need some AOS magic, they look like statues which is okish for Regiments R&F but not any good for skirmish formations.

Funny you mention that regular orcs will probably have a facelift, because they are some of the few O&G models Im not happy with in its current design, they look dated and boring.

@GraywarTS man whats with your sig? " Age of simple minded"? What are you saying? People who like AoS for any reason that escapes your understanding are errrr simple minded?

That's basically what anyone who feels like Age of Sigmar "ruined their hobby" tries to imply.

Well, it did ruin GW formation based fantasy, but there is thankfully Kings of War for that - folks who are unhappy with AoS should just switch over, imo.

 RiTides wrote:
Well, it did ruin GW formation based fantasy, but there is thankfully Kings of War for that - folks who are unhappy with AoS should just switch over, imo.

It "ruined it" in the same way that 5th/6th/7th/8th edition of WHFB "ruined the game".

It's different. People don't like things changing, and will devote substantial amounts of effort to complain about things changing, especially if they see other people supposedly supporting their stances.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, it did ruin GW formation based fantasy, but there is thankfully Kings of War for that - folks who are unhappy with AoS should just switch over, imo.

It "ruined it" in the same way that 8th edition of WHFB "ruined the game".

It's a different game. People don't like things changing, and will devote substantial amounts of effort to complain about things changing.

Complaining about things changing is not so much the issue... calling all people who like the change "simple minded" on your sig is like just perpetual trolling.

Yeah, I agree that that's a problem (calling people names)

But, Kanluwen this change is definitely not comparable to the change from earlier editions of fantasy - that's why they're not even calling it WHFB. They nixed their WHFB game and world in favor of a different game using the same models in a different setting.

So, "ruined" is probably the wrong word... "ended" might be better. But again, thankfully those folks can play KoW so there is still an outlet for people who prefer traditional / formation-based fantasy. And with the timing working out so well for KoW, it might even become the standard (at least in the US and UK, where in the US in particular it's been adopted to the fantasy GT circuit) which would be good for everyone playing that way since it will be much easier to find a game, and for that style of play to survive and hopefully propagate with a single common ruleset.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I agree that that's a problem (calling people names)

But, Kanluwen this change is definitely not comparable to the change from earlier editions of fantasy - that's why they're not even calling it WHFB. They nixed their WHFB game and world in favor of a different game using the same models in a different setting.

So, "ruined" is probably the wrong word... "ended" might be better. But again, thankfully those folks can play KoW so there is still an outlet for people who prefer traditional / formation-based fantasy. And with the timing working out so well for KoW, it might even become the standard (at least in the US and UK, where in the US in particular it's been adopted to the fantasy GT circuit) which would be good for everyone playing that way since it will be much easier to find a game, and for that style of play to survive and hopefully propagate with a single common ruleset.

Given how many people talk about playing older editions of WHFB/40k? What does it really matter, they can still play what they enjoyed.
It's the amount of effort that gets used to shut down any positive discussion that is pretty ridiculous and what I'm getting at here.

Also? KoW is dead, locally. There's a shop where one of the staff members is trying to push it but it's going nowhere.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Given how many people talk about playing older editions of WHFB/40k? What does it really matter, they can still play what they enjoyed.

Not with new players - there's a reason most people immediately switch away from a "dead" system (unless they just have a dedicated gaming group that plays at each other's homes or the like).

I have no problem with positive discussion happening for AoS, by the way . It's a shame GW didn't just make it a separate game and avoid the rancor that resulted...

Sorry for the tangent! To get back on topic... I am hoping we'll see some spoilers for the "fire dwarfs" soon... I could definitely see myself picking up a few to use with my chaos dwarfs (even though I'm gearing them towards KoW now).

C'mon RiTides, you and I both know there would have been rancor no matter what they did.

Some... but I think the level of it is was compounded by the introduction of the new system "ending" the old (which is a bummer, since maybe people would have been more open to adoption otherwise!).

I edited in a line to try to get back on-topic above, btw, sorry for the tangent!

I'm just excited to see what they do for my Wood Elves.

I had a terrible time with them in 8th, but AoS has been exceedingly good to them.

Waywatchers are amazing. People cannot try to kill them fast enough.

 Kanluwen wrote:
C'mon RiTides, you and I both know there would have been rancor no matter what they did.

And you'd have to be quite naïve to think the change to AoS is somehow no different (or of no greater significance) than the changes WFB has gone through in the past.

 Kanluwen wrote:
C'mon RiTides, you and I both know there would have been rancor no matter what they did.

I don't know, if they released it as a new game on its own, separate from WFB without destroying it, kind of the way that 30K and 40K coexist, I don't think that the people who don't like would care.


It would still have many many of the same problems that keep some people from playing it, the lack of any kind of even rough balancing mechanic built in, the emphasis on "bigger is better" that GW has been on lately, the somewhat oversimplified rules, etc.
However, the people who like WFB would look at it, probably give it a play or two, then shrug and turn back to WFB and never give it a second thought. I imagine it would be like 30K or Kill Team in relation to 40K. Many people don't care, or aren't even aware it exists, however you never hear people saying they hate 30K. And yes, I know there's a huge difference in how the rules are handled between the two games.


I just feel like a massive part of the distaste for the game that people have comes not from dislike of the rules, but dislike of how GW handled it. If it was as simple as not liking the , it would have faded away months ago, and the only ones still talking about it would be those that like it. No one else would care enough about it to think about it, let alone complain about it. It's the fact that they liked/loved/were invested in/grew up with WFB. I mean, the game is older than I am by a few years! And it's a massive world filled with detail, thousands of stories, characters, and conflicts. You have a world in which runs the full gambit from the highest of high fantasy; cruel gods, elf wizards, vampires, daemons, dragons, goblins riding spiders the size of small towns, to the lowest of the low; mercenaries struggling to get by, peasants thrust into wars with little to no training, guards hunting a murderer where the most fanciful thing ever mentioned is whispered tales of giant rats int he sewers, and everything in between. That last part is where the Old Wolrd really shined, to me. When you have relatively normal, everyday people thrown into fights against horrors that until a few minutes ago they thought were myths and legends, stories told to scare children.

GW took ALL of that, and threw it out the window. All those characters you liked to hear about, long dead, missing, or twisted to something completely different. All those cities that they had fleshed out with thousands of little details that made them feel like actual, real places? Long ruined, lost to the ages. Hell, entire cultures are gone, the Empire is no more, Tilea is gone, as are Araby, Nippon, the Border Princes, Bretonnia, Lustria, etc. Ans right now, we don't have anything on any of the current cultures beyond, "the Khorne guys like to eat people" and "Sigmar has a city". How are the elves? Are they back to one whole civilization, did they split back up into High, Dark, and Wood after their team up in the End Times? I always loved the Dark Elf society. It's interesting to see how a bunch of murderous sociopaths have set up a set of rules to keep a semblance of order, instead of back stabbing each other out of existence.

GW took decades of material, and trashed it for frustratingly vague, shallow background. Look at Lizardmen for example, they had an awesome, almost tragic story. Living tools abandoned by their creators still trying to complete the task they were given while they slowly die off, guarding what are arguably the ruins of their once great civilization. Now it's just the Slaan flying around summoning the memories of long dead minions to fight battles for them.


Wow... That got longer than I meant it to. But to sum it up, no, I don't think they would have gotten much rancor beyond, "the rules for this game aren't great" for a couple of weeks before even that faded

The rupture with WFB model is quite obvious and yeah GW PR on this was, to no surprise, non existent.

To some of us its a good chance to enjoy things in a different perspective to others its just game over. What you do after that is up to you really. The old farts like myself have seen so many good things come to a dramatic end and yet so many great things appeared in this industry it kind of balances itself out.

In what degree AoS is an extension to WFB is yet to be seen, a lot is yet to be determined, we have a different universe, different game and some minis are getting a revamp... my mind set is still in the oldworld and I still think O&G, Lizzies and others as they were. I selectively cherry pick the bits that I like and run with it... In short I like the skirmish nature and now I have a load of sculpting opportunities not present in rank and file regiments and I will wait a few more years to see what happens to AoS. In the meanwhile Im having a blast converting all to AoS.

A simple example, Specialist games were officially extint at GW HQ... they will be back soon officially... What did fans do in the hiatus? They organized leagues, played the games, third party companies made compatible ranges etc So yeah adapt (or not) but be mature about it.
If all fails go sculpt something that will teach you to be patient

I would be interested in new dwarves, unlike some I really enjoy the GW dwarf aesthetic, but I just know that they will have a ludicrous price tag. I find it amusing how GW mentioned that they wanted to push a variety of different price points to attract a wider customer base, then released one new kit at a lower price point (bloodreavers) and everything else followed their normal pricing schemes or higher.

Back on topic, I'm not fond of Archaon's new title. Exalted Grand Marshall of the Apocalypse is just too wordy. I really liked Everchosen.

That new Archon mode....

I see a Khorne head, a Tzeentch head and a Nurgle head on that chimera.

Where is the Slaanesh head? Did they neglect Slaanesh or is it hidden beneath the loincloth?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Back on topic, I'm not fond of Archaon's new title. Exalted Grand Marshall of the Apocalypse is just too wordy. I really liked Everchosen.

Everchosen is only enough word salad to justify a $50 model maybe. That $160 price tag demands adjectives like Khorne demands skulls.


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 Wulfmar wrote:
That new Archon mode....

I see a Khorne head, a Tzeentch head and a Nurgle head on that chimera.

Where is the Slaanesh head? Did they neglect Slaanesh or is it hidden beneath the loincloth?

Slaneesh has been voldemorte'd IIRC from the initial AOS release threads. He got kidnapped or beat up or something in the fluff and, like Nazi Ork Stormboys in 40k, has been disavowed as not politically correct or family friendly. And, yes, I do see the irony in the blood for the blood god or any chaos god getting a pass as ironic but apparently eviseration and decapitation are OK whereas showing a nipple (or a dozen nipples) isn't.

I was actually getting ready to say that I was impressed by the model....then I saw the skull acne. Ruined.
(And the old Archon model looked cooler)

 MWHistorian wrote:
I was actually getting ready to say that I was impressed by the model....then I saw the skull acne. Ruined.
(And the old Archon model looked cooler)

Yeah, of all the things that have been going on with AOS, the skull pustules on everything Chaos are really driving me crazy!

 warboss wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Back on topic, I'm not fond of Archaon's new title. Exalted Grand Marshall of the Apocalypse is just too wordy. I really liked Everchosen.

Everchosen is only enough word salad to justify a $50 model maybe. That $160 price tag demands adjectives like Khorne demands skulls.


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 Wulfmar wrote:
That new Archon mode....

I see a Khorne head, a Tzeentch head and a Nurgle head on that chimera.

Where is the Slaanesh head? Did they neglect Slaanesh or is it hidden beneath the loincloth?

Slaneesh has been voldemorte'd IIRC from the initial AOS release threads. He got kidnapped or beat up or something in the fluff and, like Nazi Ork Stormboys in 40k, has been disavowed as not politically correct or family friendly. And, yes, I do see the irony in the blood for the blood god or any chaos god getting a pass as ironic but apparently eviseration and decapitation are OK whereas showing a nipple (or a dozen nipples) isn't.

There's a Slaaneshi mark on the box for Arch, which I found odd considering...

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, of all the things that have been going on with AOS, the skull pustules on everything Chaos are really driving me crazy!

Outside of this model, the Glottkin, and the Korgorath, what else has them?

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, of all the things that have been going on with AOS, the skull pustules on everything Chaos are really driving me crazy!

Outside of this model, the Glottkin, and the Korgorath, what else has them?

This guy.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, it did ruin GW formation based fantasy, but there is thankfully Kings of War for that - folks who are unhappy with AoS should just switch over, imo.

It "ruined it" in the same way that 5th/6th/7th/8th edition of WHFB "ruined the game".

It's different. People don't like things changing, and will devote substantial amounts of effort to complain about things changing, especially if they see other people supposedly supporting their stances.

I get that people feel this deep need to defend their purchases, but pretending previous edition changes are even remotely similar to the total obliteration of the existing rules & background that came with AoS is doing more to prove the point you're arguing against than not, frankly.