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Heavy 20 is something for Guard though, who don't have to stick to the "rites of preserving His munitions" and believe that obscene fire power is better than taking your time to make a perfect aimed shot.

I was personally thinking that it's the same shooting as 20 Firewarriors (with slightly less range). Not exactly a gamebreaker if it costs enough, plus it's easier to silence from range.

Plus unlike those pesky pulse rifles the gatling blaster doesn't have an AP value. And she'll be BS3 so nothing to worry about.

The Space Marine Assault cannon is supposed to be a heavy duty machine gun with a very high RoF and only amounts to 4.

Is it laser based? That could explain the higher number of shots.

Personally I'd love it to be a solid shot based weapon, mainly because the idea of that weapon belching out large amounts of brass and needing extra hoppers of ammo to keep it stocked.

Though it will most likely be an energy weapon, the Macharius Vulcan only has enough ammo for 14 seconds of fire, so a smaller Russ would need a trailer for all that ammo if it were solid shot.

Are all those new tanks getting new plastic kits?

That is GW's plan.

Just not any time soon.

Enter Forge World!

aka_mythos wrote:Why is heavy 20 so unreasonable, when its only about as effective as a demolisher cannon and is fitted on the same chassis? I agree its abnormal, but not ridiculous as far as the end result.

because it would be spitting out more bullets when mounted on a standard vehicle than the vulcan megabolter which is the best anti-infantry TITAN sized weapon. i certainly hope some official news starts coming out about the codex as the rumors seem to be getting wilder and wilder.

livingregret wrote:

Chimera 55pts; 12/10/10; Standard with Multilaser and hull heavy bolter; Upgrade Multilaser to Heavy Bolter or heavy flamer for free; storm bolter or heavy stubber +10pts; Hunter killer Missile 10pts; Dozer Blade +10; extra armor +15; camo net +20.

This is all very plausible. I have also heard rumor you can upgrade the multi-laser to a twin-linked Heavy Bolter for +10. And this isn't the first time we've seen/heard this floating around

Not only plausible, we've already seen it essentially confirmed, thanks to Forgeworld.

warboss wrote:because it would be spitting out more bullets when mounted on a standard vehicle than the vulcan megabolter which is the best anti-infantry TITAN sized weapon. i certainly hope some official news starts coming out about the codex as the rumors seem to be getting wilder and wilder.

I guess we are just going to not count the VULKINS more than double range , Higher Strength , AP3 in this objection ?

On average it will only kill 2-3 Marines or 5-6 boys , so where is it wildly over powered ?

Sincity

Heavy20 S5 ap- is not really that nasty. It would only drop 20/9 (2.22) MEQ or about 5.5 Orks/IG (and that is out of cover), nothing game breaking imho. And depending on what the points come out to, you may be better off taking HW squads or other tanks.



I am liking what I am hearing so far, most of it (not all) seems plausible. I will continue to remain a optimist

I'm dubious about a great deal of this.

If the 20 s5 shots is true, I doubt I'll bother with that variant to be honest. It's not an optimal weapon vs 3+ saves and we've got plenty of other torrent weapon options already. Why use a heavy support slot for torrent weapons when there are better choices available?

But I'm cynical and have a hard time liking weapons that dont have AP3 or better.

Depending on the strength of the shot, it is actually one of the better things to aim towards some Terminators.

Sadly, high rate of fire/forcing lots of saves lead to dead Marines in suits designed to work inside reactor type environments...

Around when can we expect some pics to be leaked?

My curiosity bug is killing me !

Don't forget you might be able to add sponson and front guns to those 20 shots.

That sounds much more realistic.

The leman Russ move and shoot everything or not shoot and go d6" makes sense now. Its like slow and purposeful for tanks and justifies them being able to fire more weapons than a regular tank. It means they are really slow, which also explains the increase in armor on the sides.

And yeah, quit whinning about a heavy 20, str 5 ap - gun, it is not so bad as it looks. First off, its only 24" range, which is nothing to get excited about. The more dice you throw the closer you come to statistical average every time. Look at the numbers, its not that hot, I think a demolisher cannon is better against everything but demon princes and TMC's.

The 12 inches on the inferno cannon is a bit crappy although now it fires like a template weapon which is an improvement, and now the hellhound can move 12" and shoot, which is cool (assuming the rumors are true of course). That menas it shoots once and gets assaulted and dies unfortunately.

That chemical gun must not shoot, it must be just a template from the barrel of the gun, which sucks. You have to drive right up to the squad to nuke it. It kills like nothing else, but then it dies. A suicide tank, not too sure about that, although it would be murder on deepstrikers or drop pods.

This looks really fun if its true.

And like I had said previously, they would not have to make a new tank for everything, just different barrel options for the turrets for the hllhounds and leman russes.

The indirect weapons though would require a bit more as a manticore would need a lot of plastic to make those big missles.

But, look at the new storm lord, that box comes with 6 weapon options. I bet they do this for the new tank kits so each one can be built into a lot of different tanks.

The deathstrike still sounds a bit much to me. Its whacky which is cool, but it is just a little too wacky for regular 40K. Maybe its a big giant model that is easy to shoot, who knows. We will have to wait and see. My call is probably not on that, but I would not be shocked to see if it makes it in.

LunaHound wrote:
Around when can we expect some pics to be leaked?

My curiosity bug is killing me !

Pics would be appreciated.

"boot camp" sounds believable but:
Why is those spanish source quoting an english book and we have nothing about this from any native english speaker?
Next time rumors may come from the french......

And yeah, quit whinning about a heavy 20, str 5 ap - gun

It's not whining, it's the inner kid shouting YAY!!! because if it's true they'll have to release a model for it.

hahaha, true, I am with you on that. A big gatling gun or something similar on a russ hull would be sweet!

I kindof like the heavy 20 gun. Weighty firepower still gives the axe to 2+ saving termies/w.e. and I doubt it will be any more than 140 points. I can easily imagine running two or three of these with a crap-ton of guardsmen (assuming they fix kill points) and some attached heavy weapons teams. last night I played a 2v2 game with IG/IG vs. failcrons and spess marines and the clear winner of the match was the allmighty lasgun... okay the basilisk did help! 2 LRBT's and 2 Demolishers were on the table and they killed far less than gool od' lasguns. heavy 20 w/ str 5? That will force alot if saves so it sounds like a game changer!

Heavy 20 would also be better vs combat squads. (Max 20 hits, as opposed to five). Just to asume you get 10 hits, 7 wounds, 2-3 Marines Die, as opposed to 1 in 3 chances of getting a direct hit (At which your target is pretty much doomed)
Still kinda Skeptical.

Well thank the emperor people aren't running around saying that all these tanks is just "wishful thinking" because that made no sense to me at all....

Currently, the rumors that people seem okay w/, does not do a whole lot to remedy IG current problems. A point drop on the basic guys is a must considering that we are the same point cost as an Ork w/ way worse stats/weapons.
Also a drop in our transport is expected because most every transport has been getting cheaper
Ogryns getting a buff is good news but they are not uber elite smashy units. They are a tarpit unit to tie up enemies for more than 1 turn hopefully...

But what would be getting to make us competitive and/or sell more? Storm Troopers that jump out of fast moving Valkarie and shoot something before dying in retaliation? Seems like they will remove the ol Suicide Drop Pod Team and replace them w/ the hopefully more livable Storm Troopers. But really...we are still T3 models that die to anything and very little ability to maneuver and capture points. Sooo what can we get to deal w/ threats and be in theme w/ IG? Tanks. More tanks. People get all crazy about tanks and GW knows that. New tanks variations help current customers purchase more and brings in new customers as well. I am all for the new tanks and I am now hesitating on getting more Chimera until I know for sure if/how they are recutting them.

Edit: As for Heavy 20....it's only 24" range w/ no AP and BS 3. Do the math people...that is not scary. It will draw lots of shooting because people will "MY GOD!! 20 SHOTS!!?!?!??!?!" until it shoots....than people go "Oh....4 saves on my marines? That's it?...really?.......okay....."
Not that I completely buy it either but we are Guardsmen who believe overwhelming fire power will save the day

Heavy 20 str 5 isn't that impressive. It's not what gets me to disbelieve these rumors. It's the heavy 3 plasma canon. That doesn't exist.

BOLS said they had further confirmation of the deathstrike missle launcher, so who knows.

ShumaGorath wrote:Heavy 20 str 5 isn't that impressive. It's not what gets me to disbelieve these rumors. It's the heavy 3 plasma canon. That doesn't exist.

Kinda like how the thunderfire cannon didn't exist for Space Marines right? Heavy 4 60" range blast that can ignore cover AND boost the cover save of some ruins? Crazy...


Just saying that it is possible

edit: or really for that matter who saw Nob Bikers w/ feel no pain? Or Ork Armies that could actually out shoot other people? Or Marines that could Deep strike and attempt to assault? Or Chapter Masters leading the armies in what basically amounts to Skirmishes? Or a Speeder that carried scouts? I am just saying that every book has come out w/ something that a lot of people didn't see coming....so a Plasma cannon heavy 3 gun is possible

No, I expected all of that. None of it sounded far fetched to me. This does.

So, no autocannon for Chimeras? :( Fooey.

I just hope I can have my ogryns jump out of Valkyrie... not really but it would look cool.

aka_mythos wrote:I just hope I can have my ogryns jump out of Valkyrie... not really but it would look cool.

I bet you're jealous that my Krootoxen can charge out of hovering devilfish.

I can dig the Heavy20 shot tank. I mean,a mob of 10 Lootas have the possibility of firing 30 S7 AP4 shots at 48 inches? (I don't care about how many hit/wound). No one seems to voice out about that. This looks very promising for a lot of things. I see myself having lots of "count as" Leman Russes.