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To which those bastards are yet to reply to! We've sent a message regarding the new Chimera stats there some time ago and they must probably be "swamped" by work again as they don't pick up their phones or answer their e-mails.

I think by conflicting Chimera options it's more to do with the Multi-Melta and Chemical Cannon Chimeras, both of which sounds stupid.

And I agree that the Heavy 4 Exterminator is just wishlisting based upon that pic from the 5th Ed rulebook.

And I don't care if BoLS has heard other rumours about the Deathstrike, it's still stupid to have in regular 40K.

BYE

Come on, you don't think you'll need 80 foot range in a game of regular 40k (or even apoc)?!

Absurd.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And I don't care if BoLS has heard other rumours about the Deathstrike, it's still stupid to have in regular 40K.

While I do admit to checking on the Taco Bell of Lost Souls for rumors overlooked here on Dakka, I don't consider it the be-all, end-all source for rumors. If I want confirmation of something, I'll go to Brimmstone or Yakface.

Death By Monkeys wrote:If I want confirmation of something, I'll go to Brimmstone or Yakface.

Can't say as to Brimstone, but when I played against Yak last month with my Guard, it seems he knows(at least then) really only what we know concerning Guard. Either he wasn't saying anything(would be odd considering what other things we talked about) or his contacts weren't talking about it to him.

Of course, I'm not actually Yakface, so take this as the hearsay it rather is.

Platuan4th wrote:Can't say as to Brimstone, but when I played against Yak last month with my Guard, it seems he knows(at least then) really only what we know concerning Guard. Either he wasn't saying anything(would be odd considering what other things we talked about) or his contacts weren't talking about it to him.

Of course, I'm not actually Yakface, so take this as the hearsay it rather is.

No, I understand that - I'm not saying that Yakface and Brimmstone are all-knowing, but when either one of them does comes out to make a definitive statement about whether or not a rumor is true, I haven't seen 'em be wrong yet.

Death By Monkeys wrote:No, I understand that - I'm not saying that Yakface and Brimmstone are all-knowing, but when either one of them does comes out to make a definitive statement about whether or not a rumor is true, I haven't seen 'em be wrong yet.

No doubt, just speculating as to why Yak may not have said anything for or against.

Give them time, they either haven't read this yet or they're checking with their spies. We shall see.

Heavy 4 twin-lined autocannons on the Leman Russ sounds a LOT like what a Hydra Anti-Air tank is armed with...but it's on a 12/10/10 Chimera Chassis...

March 21st - Imperial Guard Black Box !

I will be taking the day off to build whatever cool models come with it, and reading the advance copy of the codex! Hopefully it will be a sunny day, so I can take a gallon of wine and a bag of cheesey poofs, and sit out on my lawn.

I'll think of all of you while I'm in my happy spot.

mikhaila wrote:March 21st - Imperial Guard Black Box !

I will be taking the day off to build whatever cool models come with it, and reading the advance copy of the codex!

The Amazing Kreskin predicts there will be a Valkyrie in the box!

I like that voxs may do somthing now. Early on I modeled them on my guys cause I liked the look but it was useless.

mikhaila wrote:March 21st - Imperial Guard Black Box !

The what?

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:

mikhaila wrote:March 21st - Imperial Guard Black Box !

The what?

BYE

Partnership level stores in the US are allowed to purchase a 'Black Box' once a month, that comes with preview material. It's actually is a black box, with a sticker that looks like a purity seal. Sometimes it's just some sprues of upcoming models. Other times it's a book and some bitz. The last one was a Stompa! Before that, the Lizarmen book, stegadon, and 10 templeguard.

Does it arrive via UPS? What time does your UPS guy usually come? How long do you wait before you notify the authorities if he doesn't show up?

Necros wrote:Does it arrive via UPS? What time does your UPS guy usually come? How long do you wait before you notify the authorities if he doesn't show up?

I'll keep you on speed dial. We can grab Tony and a case of beer and all go sit on my lawn together. That Leviathan you're making could probably double as a beer cooler.

ph34r wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Not that I have any insight to back me up, but I call 'bogus' on these Spanish rumors. I just can't see GW supporting that many types of vehicles for one army. I can believe 3-4 different types of vehicles in a box (i.e. LRBT, Vanquisher, Exterminator, Demolisher), but 7? Nah, man. I think the new Heavy 4, Twin-Linked Exterminator is wish-listing based on the weird picture in the 5E Rulebook. Not to mention the fact that treadheads have a whole slew of FW armor that they'd love to be able to play in regular games of 40k and this is what GW "supposedly" is going to give us? I'm not above eating crow when the time comes if this stuff is true, but this just seems way too OTT. Some of it, maybe. But all of it? Nah, man - bogus.

I think the fact that one of these rumored new tanks is basically a direct copy from a LO poster's fan-made tank further suggests that these rumors are junk. Add to this conflicting LR armor values, conflicting chimera weapon options, and as you said the fact that GW will most likely not crank out a million new parts for variants that might not individually sell much.

Plus these rumors make me happy and if GW's past codex designs for my armies are any indication (chaos ) Then GW does not want me to be happy.

ph34r wrote:The "Eradicator" seems to be based off a librarium online poster's fan-vehicle. http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/rules-development/114573-leman-russ-eradicator.html

I'm going to point out that the eradicator you linked to:
Av 14/12/10
R24 S6 AP4 Heavy (undecided)
With an option to upgrade armor both side and rear armor.
Then in the last post the original poster decided just to make it twin linked assault cannons.

The rumor:
Leman Russ Eradicator
Av 14/13/10
R36 S6 AP4 Heavy 1, Large Blast , Ignores Cover

The only things the same are the S6 AP4, and thats a common enough stat combination. The rumored eradicator is a "Nova Cannon" the fan thingy is an assault cannon. I really don't see this as being the origin of this rumor; maybe if they were identical but they aren't.

Not another Nova Cannon! That's, what, three now, all completely unrelated to each other?

This one will fire missiles, so we'll have one energy-based Nova Cannon, a ballistic Nova Cannon and a missile Nova Cannon.

But which one is canon?

*rimshot*

BYE

livingregret wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Heavy 20 str 5 isn't that impressive. It's not what gets me to disbelieve these rumors. It's the heavy 3 plasma canon. That doesn't exist.

Kinda like how the thunderfire cannon didn't exist for Space Marines right? Heavy 4 60" range blast that can ignore cover AND boost the cover save of some ruins? Crazy...


Just saying that it is possible

edit: or really for that matter who saw Nob Bikers w/ feel no pain? Or Ork Armies that could actually out shoot other people? Or Marines that could Deep strike and attempt to assault? Or Chapter Masters leading the armies in what basically amounts to Skirmishes? Or a Speeder that carried scouts? I am just saying that every book has come out w/ something that a lot of people didn't see coming....so a Plasma cannon heavy 3 gun is possible

The thunder fire cannon did exist before in 2ed it was the thud gun

aka_mythos wrote:The only things the same are the S6 AP4, and thats a common enough stat combination. The rumored eradicator is a "Nova Cannon" the fan thingy is an assault cannon. I really don't see this as being the origin of this rumor; maybe if they were identical but they aren't.

I didn't believe it initially when it was suggested to me but given how ridiculous these rumors sound it seemed like a more plausible explanation. Fudge the armor values to match all the other new tanks, and change the shot type of the gun to be different than the "20-shotinator" and bam. It is a bit of a stretch, and I would be happy for all these rumors to be true, but it seemed too similar. I can't wait to see more concrete information.

sonofruss wrote:The thunder fire cannon did exist before in 2ed it was the thud gun

No, the Thudd Gun was the Thudd Gun, and the Thudd Gun is now this. The Thunderfire is an invention created out of the necessity to sell new products. GW has reached the point where re-cutting the Tactical Squad sprue and re-releasing it again is neither popular nor economically sound, therefore things have to be added to the fluff. Hence, a combined Thudd Gun/Mole Mortar.

BYE

Well, the Imperium "discovers" new tank types all the time these days. Soon they'll discover four new super-heavy variants and it wont be long until several forge worlds are found that produce special types of Hellhounds and Russ tanks.

Speaking of the Thunderfire Cannon, I'm really surprised that none of the IG rumors have involved bringing back the Thudd Gun / Rapier / Mole Mortar / Tarantula. (Or else designing similar new weapons.) Artillery of that sort seems to be more fluffy for IG than for Space Marines.

If GW doesn't come out with artillery for IG this time around, I'm going to mail my Codex to Jervis in a fit of pique!

Well, we are getting more mechanized artillery with the upcoming codex. If you want lighter field artillery or towed pieces, look to Forge World and their Siege Company list, which relies heavily on these weapons.

My burning fiery jealousy about the "Black Box" knows NO BOUNDS!

ph34r wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:The only things the same are the S6 AP4, and thats a common enough stat combination. The rumored eradicator is a "Nova Cannon" the fan thingy is an assault cannon. I really don't see this as being the origin of this rumor; maybe if they were identical but they aren't.

I didn't believe it initially when it was suggested to me but given how ridiculous these rumors sound it seemed like a more plausible explanation. Fudge the armor values to match all the other new tanks, and change the shot type of the gun to be different than the "20-shotinator" and bam. It is a bit of a stretch, and I would be happy for all these rumors to be true, but it seemed too similar. I can't wait to see more concrete information.

Too similar? All leman russ' are technically similar. I think the naming is coincidental. I bet anyone here could dig up a random homebrew rule set online with similar names to the other new variants, not because a rumor is ripping off an online source but because there is a naming convention. That convention lends itself to coincidence. The demolisher relative to a battle tank is one fudge of armor value and shot change of weapon different, and so is every other variant.

I don't think they sound that ridiculous. They are pretty consistent with rumors and statement that were commented on it before it came out.

We are suppose to get 23 vehicles; that was from some one who spoke with codex' author. Those 23 different vehicles have to come from somewhere. There had even been rumors of a heavy 20 weapon. Additionally, we're suppose to see an "equal" representation of armored tanks and artillery. This seems to have that. It was rumored that there were 3 hellhound variants including, the hellhound. There were rumors of a lumbering sort of movement that allowed LR's to fire all weapons. All this was out before these rumors surfaced. Nothing in the rumors are "broken," some are abnormal and unconventional but not broken. Could these rumors be a pure fabrication? Yes, but if that's the case whoever came up with them did so consistently based on other rumors.

Yes the black box also goes to all the GW stores, they use to simply get material much further in advance than they do now. Once upon time, way back when, we use to get things 6+ months in advance. Advance codexes, models and all that jazz....now they get the "black box" anywhere from 1+ month away from actual release to build hype and, hopefully,have models to show off

I like the odds of killing 20 orcs in the open with the heavy 20 gun

it will happen once out of every 1.5 billion rolls maybe