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Orkeosaurus wrote:Now if only he spent this much time writing fluff for Candy Land.

I also volunteer for Proofreading etc. Keep me up to date with betas/drafts etc

Trust Gwar to proofread...
By the time he's done with you, you'll be hanging from a tree.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Trust Gwar to proofread...
By the time he's done with you, you'll be hanging from a tree.

And their you have it folks, the ultimate Proofreading Service

lol qft

Manchu wrote:But to hazard a guess . . .

SM are not supposed to be self-replicating. They are not a race apart from humanity but, by the time they get the geneseed, they aren't quite human, either. Setting aside any rumor/info that female biology rejects the zygotes, can you imagine the possibility of SM breeding amongst themselves. Several millennia of evolution might see them diverge completely from their human origin. Keeping an all-male force drawn directly from normal human populations keeps the SM directly connected to humanity.

This is the most sensible explanation I've seen to date. Marines are mystical warrior monks that serve the Empire out of duty to their "grandfather" and creator. If they could breed up large amounts of perfect candidates among themself they'd start getting ideas. More ideas than now, at least - chapters do go renegade once in a while even without the ability to sustain themself endlessly.

edit: the Fabius Bile experiment has some merit, though. Exactly the sort of twisted stuff Chaos would try - it hurts everyone involved even if the infestation is discovered before breaking out. Imagine the effect on the local PDF troopers when the Imperial Commander orders them to purge all females from the planet. Yes, sir... or perhaps we'll kill you instead? Instant rebellion even before Chaos has started an invasion! And the rebels may well see no recourse but to join the CSM if they arrive.

Gwar! wrote:I also volunteer for Proofreading etc. Keep me up to date with betas/drafts etc

DItto


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Spetulhu wrote:

Manchu wrote:But to hazard a guess . . .

SM are not supposed to be self-replicating. They are not a race apart from humanity but, by the time they get the geneseed, they aren't quite human, either. Setting aside any rumor/info that female biology rejects the zygotes, can you imagine the possibility of SM breeding amongst themselves. Several millennia of evolution might see them diverge completely from their human origin. Keeping an all-male force drawn directly from normal human populations keeps the SM directly connected to humanity.

This is the most sensible explanation I've seen to date. Marines are mystical warrior monks that serve the Empire out of duty to their "grandfather" and creator. If they could breed up large amounts of perfect candidates among themself they'd start getting ideas. More ideas than now, at least - chapters do go renegade once in a while even without the ability to sustain themself endlessly.

edit: the Fabius Bile experiment has some merit, though. Exactly the sort of twisted stuff Chaos would try - it hurts everyone involved even if the infestation is discovered before breaking out. Imagine the effect on the local PDF troopers when the Imperial Commander orders them to purge all females from the planet. Yes, sir... or perhaps we'll kill you instead? Instant rebellion even before Chaos has started an invasion! And the rebels may well see no recourse but to join the CSM if they arrive.

Brilliant cut paste print done.

Oh yeh and dt PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE A THREAD FOR YOUR STOY ITIS TO AWSOME, and where did the op go.

okay guys, first chapter of nightfall is done and is here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/245131.page#789667

Looks good.

The description of the Chaos Marine(?) is suitably fearsome.

Manchu wrote:

cadbren wrote:

Manchu wrote: Also, these chicks aren't "fallen" in any conceivable sense given that they have no choice in what they are. Doesn't seem very Chaos-y in that respect. Maybe there could be some kind of daemonhost spin on the genetic engineering?

It's not needed, they're chaos because Bile made them that way and he's chaos, otherwise plague zombies are not chaos because they're not fallen, just victims of an infection. You don't have to be possessed to serve chaos.

A faulty argument: Plague Zombies are reanimated corpses.

As I understood it, the plague starts with a virus and the first zombies are victims of this virus; if that is not the case then I accept zombies are a bad example.

Like most things in GW's worlds, I guess it's open to multiple intertrepations.

Emperors Faithful wrote:lol qft

you have to q in order to qft XD

Gwar! wrote:And their you have it folks, the ultimate Proofreading Service

Ah, I just spotted that. Nice.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Gwar! wrote:And their you have it folks, the ultimate Proofreading Service

Ah, I just spotted that. Nice.

^^, Glad to see some people still appreciate subtle humour

Good start Doctor Thunder!

(I take it marine was Fabius Bile?)

Emperors Faithful wrote:Good start Doctor Thunder!

(I take it marine was Fabius Bile?)

You'll see.

DUN!DUN!DUN!

I'm about to threadomancy, but...

I was sitting around the other day trying to figure out how to genetically engineer winged humans, and for obvious reasons 40k floated into my mind.

It occurred to me that the primarchs may be based off the Emperors own DNA, but were modified to an extreme degree. To the point that making a female primarch would be simple by comparison (the sheer number of neurological connections for wings alone is a nightmare) .

Before anyone jumps up and down about the warp, please bare in mind: the Emperor immediately recognized his primarchs, which would imply that he had engineered them to look the way they did (since HH implies that the warp is a little known quantity at the time)

There are missing primarchs and legions that have been removed from the records.

The Grey Knights have been heavily implied to be loyalist Death Guard, rather then grown from the Emperor's own geneseed, which may further imply that while a powerful psyker, the Emperor was pure human, the additional organs derived from the genetically engineered primarchs rather then directly from the Emperor.

Therefor a female primarch might have existed, but was never found or was expunged for some reason or other from records. If this is indeed the case, there might have been, at some point, 'true' female space marines.

Its not threadomancy
You make a valid point, also i too have been thinking about genetic enhanced (winged) humans via Final fantasy 7 genisis and angeal (i just beat crisis core EPIC CUTSCENES!!)

Lord of battles wrote:Its not threadomancy

Yes it is...the last post was almost a year ago. By all definitions its threadcromancy. He should have just started a new thread.

BaronIveagh wrote:Therefor a female primarch might have existed, but was never found or was expunged for some reason or other from records. If this is indeed the case, there might have been, at some point, 'true' female space marines.

I like this idea. Obviously, the records were expunged because she caused a 17 Strike Cruiser pile up while attempting to parallel park in geosynchronous orbit over an about-to-be-invaded planet during the Great Crusade. The whole debacle was deemed too embarrassing, and the Emporer, in all his mighty wisdom, had the records erased.









That's right. I made a women can't drive joke.

excuse me... but in Rogue Trader and in old WD issues, I saw some female Space Marines so I think that ... YES... they might make female marines, but they won't make them because technology is not going to help who controls the machinery and there are no scientists to improve the current technology.

JEB_Stuart wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:Its not threadomancy

Yes it is...the last post was almost a year ago. By all definitions its threadcromancy. He should have just started a new thread.

Nah, because people whine when you start a new thread on this subject that there's a new one every month. And as opposed to the 'I agree' type of thread necro, I felt my statement had some bearing on this particular thread.

She then became the Primarch of the Space Foxxx chapter, right?

Sanguinius' wings are a mutation ("The infant Sanguinius came to rest upon the planet of Baal Secundus, and, warped by the powers of Chaos, he now sported angel-like wings from his back." That the Emperor can recognize them is rather irrelevant on this point, as wings do not diminish ability to recognize facial features, Primarchs are ten feet tall giants, and the Emperor is the most powerful psyker to have lived), so that's not really a valid point to make on the Emperor's genetic engineering ability; however the sheer ridiculous of any of a dozen features Space Marines have (the thing that steals memories from people when you eat their brains? What were they thinking?) is sufficient to prove that the Emperor could make a female clone without too much trouble, if he really wanted a second daughter. (Plus they do find some way of getting wings on those scary babies.)

As for the Emperor himself, as he stands at least as tall as his Primarchs, he most likely went through the same process as his Custodes; sort of a proto-Space Marine process developed during the unification of Terra.

BaronIveagh wrote:

JEB_Stuart wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:Its not threadomancy

Yes it is...the last post was almost a year ago. By all definitions its threadcromancy. He should have just started a new thread.

Nah, because people whine when you start a new thread on this subject that there's a new one every month. And as opposed to the 'I agree' type of thread necro, I felt my statement had some bearing on this particular thread.

I think JEB_Stuart has it right and your raising the dead ( a thread ) here.

Your points aren't new so I have to ask what exactly was added to the many pages of this thread?

That legions and their primarchs got only erased by ?? data?
That the Emperor and his scientists were not bad at gene-engeneering?

The unrevealed fluff may contain something or is just not written yet and i do expect the latter.
So its possible to have almost everything with those 2 points, even xenos based space marines.

If you really got a good idea, please start your own thread and some may listen.

KOS wrote:excuse me... but in Rogue Trader and in old WD issues, I saw some female Space Marines so I think that ... YES... they might make female marines, but they won't make them because technology is not going to help who controls the machinery and there are no scientists to improve the current technology.

And Rogue Trader/old WD issues had Imperial Guard riding jetbikes, Sentinels with Assault Cannons, Marines with Shuriken Catapaults, etc.

Get over it. The background has changed.

Or do you think Malal still exists too?

I believe the usual story is that the bolter-wielding female model in power armor was something other than a space marine (a rogue trader?) but was mispackaged (for a time) because of the equipment.

Kanluwen wrote:

KOS wrote:excuse me... but in Rogue Trader and in old WD issues, I saw some female Space Marines so I think that ... YES... they might make female marines, but they won't make them because technology is not going to help who controls the machinery and there are no scientists to improve the current technology.

And Rogue Trader/old WD issues had Imperial Guard riding jetbikes, Sentinels with Assault Cannons, Marines with Shuriken Catapaults, etc.

Get over it. The background has changed.

Or do you think Malal still exists too?

Read The Labyrinth from the Heroes of the Space Marines (2009) anthology.

, which they can't do due to Games Workshop not owning the intellectual property to the concept of Malal.

The concept of the Chaos God "Malal" was created by comic artists Wagner and Grant as the patron of Kaleb Daark, who appeared in the comic strip "The Quest of Kaleb Daark" in the Third Citadel Compendium as well as the Citadel Miniatures Journals for Spring 1986 and 1987.

Well aware of the history of Malal
The point was that, while they do every so often have throwbacks to an earlier time(Master of the Ravenwing on Jetbike says 'sup'.)--they're trying to move away from some of the wackiness and shenanigans of the old days when they basically grabbed every theme/inspiration they could and ran with it.

Oh, I'm not arguing that the old RT days were wacky. I'm just saying Malal is still around. Female space marines are just plain silly.