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Orkeosaurus wrote:Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

Umm, space marines are manufactured mutants...

Mistress of minis wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

Umm, space marines are manufactured mutants...

Yes but they are pure mutants crated by Holy technology Ogryns are Abhumans. There is a difference

Mistress of minis wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

Umm, space marines are manufactured mutants...

Heresy!

Next you'll be saying that The Emperor's Holy Inquisition should not be accompanied by flying, naked, mutant children!

Wouldn't becoming a Space Marine put you into a whole different race kinda? Superhumans who dont reproduce but pass on there genetic makeup, the removal of the geneseed being there contribution to continued existences? But like I said early you could just cook up a story that says there an experiment in females to get them by if you want to make a Chapter of em, but basically they'll just become Superhumans with boobs and alittle more hair and different reproductive organ which wont be used anyways, no big change really there still just be same old Space Marines in the end.

I expected that Thunder dude in here......

I say go for it.

But I swear, if anyone is doing this just purely for sex appeal then by God I'm creeped out.

Go make your female marine. But she'll probably be walking around with bigger ________ than norm.

/sigh

Reminds me: Dark Elves are the most Gender-Friendly race in WHFB: Witch Elves, Sorceress, Pretty much everything, etc.

Cryonicleech wrote:

Go make your female marine. But she'll probably be walking around with bigger ________ than norm.

You say that like its a bad thing.

Why would you want to create female space marines?

Darkchild

Mistress of minis wrote:So, the general NERD RAGE standpoint is:

Space Marines cant have boobs, they must have power schlong. Because the imaginary codex for the imaginary game says 'male tissues'.

I'd bet that whole opinion would change if they described the zygote implanting as being the equivalent of castration. Which lets face it- since their arent any space marine chicks, the Space Marine are really the Emporers Finest....eunuchs....

Actually I think wwaayy back in the day they actually were power armoured eunuchs. I'm guessing with them being warrior monks they wouldn't be "getting any" anyway.

In fact from what is said in one of the Ragnar/Space Wolf books tehy don't even have a sense of attraction to females anyway, they lose it during their upgrade. Is there not some mention in Fulgrim about Lucius starting to get odd or half remembered feelings of desire for a woman ?

With all the Testosterone normal marines get pumped with, if their nuts are even still existent it would be a miracle, much less usable.

Don't forget war is sex for space marines. Slaanesh gets to do both at the same time....

I heard in some old fluff that space marines had corbines
(excuse the spelling)...

tigonesskay wrote:I heard in some old fluff that space marines had corbines
(excuse the spelling)...

Yes, really old fluff stated that the ultramarines, like the romans they are patterned after, had concubines that served the chapter by bearing sons for the more successful warriors. The logic was that a child of a person who was able to survive the process of becoming a marine was much more likely to also survive the process then someone from the general population.

The idea that marines are castrated, either chemically or physically, is an internet urban legend, and has no basis in the fluff.

I find it disturbing that the Imperium only sees fit to deliver the sacred "gene seed" to other males. Eww.....

The homoeroticism in SM creation is enormous.

Really old fluff was also retconed out of existence. Otherwise Ultramarines would still be 3rd founding, and Leman Russ a sexy Imperial Guard Sergeant.

jmurph wrote:I find it disturbing that the Imperium only sees fit to deliver the sacred "gene seed" to other males. Eww.....

The homoeroticism in SM creation is enormous.

Most military fraternities are chock full of homoerotic traditions. Paddling, the Spartans wrestling naked, and so forth. It is only those that wish to see it as 'gay' that makes it weird for others.

Gwar! wrote:Really old fluff was also retconed out of existence.

Well, since the new fluff says nothing on the subject of SM's being castrated, then it's not a retcon, is it?

Doctor Thunder wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Really old fluff was also retconed out of existence.

Well, since the new fluff says nothing on the subject of SM's being castrated, then it's not a retcon, is it?

CALLED IT!

Given that I believe the Night Lords use rape as part of there terror tactics, and of course the Emperor's Children and other Chaos units are quite capable of it, they probably still have the gear in working order. I suspect most marines are focused on other activies and probably get more pleasure from shooting off bolter rounds, and part of there indoctrination is to surpress such urges so they can't cause problems.

Jon Garrett wrote:Given that I believe the Night Lords use rape as part of there terror tactics, and of course the Emperor's Children and other Chaos units are quite capable of it, they probably still have the gear in working order. I suspect most marines are focused on other activies and probably get more pleasure from shooting off bolter rounds, and part of there indoctrination is to surpress such urges so they can't cause problems.

Source? I havn't heard that rape is specifically used, in I don't know, 3 editions. Rape is impractical in power armor. And disgusting and has no place 40K.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

That's not the rule the Imperium works by.... It's "Suffer not the Mutant to live...unless they're on our side"


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jmurph wrote:I find it disturbing that the Imperium only sees fit to deliver the sacred "gene seed" to other males. Eww.....

lol!

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

Source? I havn't heard that rape is specifically used, in I don't know, 3 editions. Rape is impractical in power armor. And disgusting and has no place 40K.

Honestly? I have no idea, hence the 'I believe' part. It's been an awful long time since I read it.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Rape is impractical in power armor. And disgusting, and has no place 40K.

Sigh.



Index Astartes page 29:
"Fulgrim turned his legion loose on the uncontested areas of the planet, where billions of terrified humans cowered at the sight of the followers of chaos...the space marines themselves sought even greater excesses of carnage and carnality." (Emphasis mine)



car·nal'i·ty (kär-nāl'ĭ-tē) n.
car·nal (kär'nəl) adj.
car'nal·ly adv.

Engaging in sexual intercourse, the fulfilling sexual appetites: carnal desire.

[Middle English, from Old North French carnel, from Latin carnālis, from Latin carō, carn-, flesh; see sker-1 in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I'm not sure that the activities of post-chaos Emperor's children can be considered normal in any sense of the word.

Doctor Thunder wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Rape is impractical in power armor. And disgusting, and has no place 40K.

Sigh.



Index Astartes page 29:
"Fulgrim turned his legion loose on the uncontested areas of the planet, where billions of terrified humans cowered at the sight of the followers of chaos...the space marines themselves sought even greater excesses of carnage and carnality." (Emphasis mine)



car·nal'i·ty (kär-nāl'ĭ-tē) n.
car·nal (kär'nəl) adj.
car'nal·ly adv.

Engaging in sexual intercourse, the fulfilling sexual appetites: carnal desire.

[Middle English, from Old North French carnel, from Latin carnālis, from Latin carō, carn-, flesh; see sker-1 in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Well, since the design team said that books and codexes are just lies and half truths, I choose to completly ignore the obvious and unarguable proof that you have used.

Notice I didn't sayit never happens, I said has no place in 40K, and impractical (power armor doesn't have zippers). It is one of the more heinous crimes that happen a little too often to reference in science fiction, even if it is grim dark.

MinMax wrote:There have been a lot of threads about this. Most of it has resulted in some extreme NERD RAGE. You can even check out Doc Thunder's Female Space Marine Conversion threads for what this might look like.

tigonesskay wrote:I'll work on in detail later of how it'll be done but I think COULD be possible...

It's science fiction. It's possible if you say it is.

Last time I read a thread about Doc Thunder's female marines (on a different site), the thread was closed due to excessive trolling/flaming.

Lord Chiasson wrote:IMO female marines would be kinda hot, give somthin for the male ones to look forward to hehe ,

Because giantism is just so sexy, right? The libido-quenching aspects of having female marines would be useless, as the Space Marines, IIRC, are asexual anyways. Even beyond this fact, fraternization within the ranks tends to lead to more problems than it solves, producing emotional attachments that can be distracting on the battlefield. The Adeptes Astartes are warrior monks, for crying out loud. If you want fluff to back all of this up, then go ahead and pick up a copy of Fulgrim. When the orgy broke out, the Emperor's Children didn't join in, or even wish to join in. Instead, they took arms and partook of what they found pleasure in, even before the corruption of their chapter, the wholesale slaughter of everybody in the room who wasn't them.

and its possible just make up fluff for it that the High Lords are working on a secret project and the female chapter are used to lure in Slanessh worshipers who cant resist then pow right in the kisser lol .

Again... giantism... do you have some strange fetish for women who are masculine at worst and completely androgynous at best? If you want to lure in Slaaneshi cultists, you do it with piles of drugs and the promise of the experience. Slaanesh isn't just about sex or pleasure, he/she/it is about the intensity of the experience, no matter what it is. Garish colors and makeup, nauseatingly opulent appointments, self mutilation, gladiatorial combat, orgies, and any given combination of all of the above at the same time.

Besides, let's face it, coming from the standpoint as a guy, if she's capable of spitting corrosive acid, would you really want to bother?

Actually every SM Commander (or we'll need a female Primarch?) initially will ask the question:

- Do I really need to train female recruits when I have more than enough males, that are more tough and resilient in general?

- They'll better be Sisters or better still mothers of our future recruits.

No male-chauvinism, just pure cost/time/efficiency case.

I'm going to say no, more because GW says no.

Though I agree, if they ever did exist, the armor would look the same.

Alternately, you could make a chapter who calls Venus home. While I'm new to 40k, and for all I know Venus is a hiveworld, or terraformed to who knows what... but looking at the myth of Venus (before modern science realized it was a volatile world)... it could use lots of greens... paint them as if they were from a jungle and use very lush basing.

Again, that's based off how the ancients saw Venus, and not how it is today.

No it's not possible to have a female Space Marine.
No you shouldn't do it. (If you consider yourself a serious 40k player).
No Marines probably can't mate or even get it up.

Yes, 99% of the people out there obsessed with female SM's are creepy weeboo 4channers.

No, you don't want to be one of them.

Yes, Marines (and in particular the whole initiate/Scout process with surgeries and stasis and so forth) are essentially a metaphor for the adolescent changing from a boy into a man, and Yes, that's why so many young (male) players play them, and Yes GW knows this.

EDIT: I hate to sound like a whiny humorless schmuck or a fluff nazi (and I fully realize I sound like both), but if you take the setting of 40k seriously then having female space marines is simply not possible. There's no Title IX in the Imperium, and a Space Marine is more than a well-trained warrior, he's a bionic and bio-chemical construct designed using a 15,000 year old process designed to manufacture warriors.

EDIT 2: I mean look, I know it's "just a game" but part of playing a game is accepting the universe in which the game takes place. When playing Oregon Trail it's not in-game-acceptable to decide to just fly from Independence Missouri to Oregon. Even though you could do that in the real world. Women can't be Space Marines, even if they should be able to do anything they want to do, in the real world. In fact, It is precisely because it is "just a game" rather than the real world that we can accept something as monstrous and terrible as the Imperium as the "good" guys, simply because compared to the alternative, they are the "good" ones, or at least the "better" ones, or at least the "ever-so-slightly-less-evil ones".

Doctor Optimal wrote:...if you take the setting of 40k seriously...

Perhaps that's the problem right there.

40K is a beer and pretzels game. You should never take it too seriously. Doing so would be like taking candyland seriously.

Sure, you can make a candyland tournament and increase the level of competition and even give out a big trophy, but it remains nothing more then a child's game. Nothing wrong with enjoying a kids game, but the minute it becomes so serious that you write up several paragraphs about how it's just not acceptable to use a monopoly car instead of the gingerbread man that comes in the box, because it breaks the candyland universe, it's really time to take a step back and chill out about a million percent.

Yes, 99% of the people out there obsessed with female SM's are creepy weeboo 4channers.

No, you don't want to be one of them.

Player 1 puts down a monopoly piece on the candyland board, and player 2 freaks out and starts name-calling.

Which one is obsessed?



And before you say "It's not the same thing"...

It's the same thing.





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