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If you guys must ask , just simply ask yourself this.

What female are more qualified than Sisters Of Battles to receive the marine upgrades?

None.

Now imagine current Sisters with Marine enhancement...
now thats scary!

Thank you Luna for just enhancing what I previously said to a higher extent. It'd be like Ultrasmurfs but worse...

LunaHound wrote:If you guys must ask , just simply ask yourself this.

What female are more qualified than Sisters Of Battles to receive the marine upgrades?

None.

Now imagine current Sisters with Marine enhancement...
now thats scary!

would they not just be the same as sm??? surely they would just be the same!!

im quite concerned how this has turned into another thread with the same stuff buzzing around.

really-who cares wether you can actually have femal space marines-the fluff says you cant, and whilst GW does change its spots more then a horney emo, i dont think they could really just write in "actually you can" and get away with it.

The idea of having a second founding ex communican or whatever it is could work, or maybe the warp made males females-who knows. writing your own fluff is a massive part of the game-for me anyway- and if it makes you happy who does it hurt, and if it makes no difference to gameplay???

I fear this is a dispute that will never end due to the "NO WOMEN" ideaology of some people. And it runs a parallel to the whole women on the frontline thing.
i must admit though the "SoB wanted to be a SM....so got it" arguement did make me laugh-i bet she did a presentation to the high lords of terra-it'd be like the apprentice!!!
in conclusion, i dont really care,

Fluffwise, no, there are NO female space marines
Physicalwise, maybe, all the processes are geared up for males and I think a previous version of fluff explained that the organs were rejected by female hosts.
That being said, you always have bionics available to IG which would be more sofisticated in the hands of SOB and the Adeptus anyway. And chances are any female given such upgrades wouldn't be in the IG anyway.


IMHO However, if someone wanted to field SOB in a space marine army that counted as a standard tactical squad using the army list in the marine codex then I wouldn't give a hoot.

As for the fluff, you can argue anything with a good story, technology is found as well as lost. My own fluff explains that my army has close ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus, so i could easily explain that this squad of female marines was granted a rare type of armour to bring them on-par with their fellow battle brothers.

If anyone gave me nerd rage over it I'd simply explain that my marines were renegade and stole the armour some corpse or another

Orkeosaurus wrote:

tigonesskay wrote:Why do they have to be an exact copy of the male space marines? Couldn't they be just amped up SOB's or IG with a totally different procedure to enhance them?

Their ability to "amp" stuff up is pretty much epitomized by the process Space Marines go through. A totally different procedure would most likely cost too much for too little benefit.

There are some enhanced warriors that still aren't space marines though; besides the various drugs and minor enhancements frequently given out to the IG, inquisitors, stormtroopers, and SOBs there are a whole bunch of upgrades made to the temple assassins. The problem is (a) these enhancements are mostly made in regards to the individual abilities a temple assassin needs to have, instead of the more general grab-bag of abilities space marines get, and (b) these enhancements are presumably so expensive that they can only be given to a very few people who are incredibly skilled and gifted. There seem to be quite a few other enhancements given to various Inquisitorial agents, but nothing that would put them at Space Marine level.

If you made some kind of background Fluff explaining how the females were enhanced and how the process is expensive and still in that "experimental stage" They can be considered elites or be limited in numbers as troops for gaming proposes.

Fluff-sure. Add a little Startekkie handwavem and BAM! chapter 997 Girly marines. (or Chapter 1...DA's which explains the dresses...)
lets face it the whole implant thingie needing male hormones is 1. wack 2. women have the ame hormones.

Modeling-We're talking 400lb ape men aren't we? You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and male members, except they'd have better fashion sense.
Putting this theory into practice, we can already see there are multiple female chapters: BA, Grey Knights, Thousand "Sons."

Space wolves and world eaters...not so much.

Frazzled wrote:Space wolves and world eaters...not so much.

Space Wolves are the manliest of manly who go around wearing fur!

I thought it was usually women who wore fur and had fantastic hair in strange sweeping styles...I vote that Space Wolf Lords officially change there name to Wolf Ladies.

Polonius wrote:I think the real question that needs to be asked in any Female SM situation is: Why do you want them? What is it that makes them appealing to you?

Judging from the models that most people make the answer would appear to be: boobies.

(I have seen a few female space marines that didn't have enormous breasts sculpted onto the their armour but they're definately in the minority)

What if a Marine gets a sex change?

Dreadwinter wrote:What if a Marine gets a sex change?

As far as just modifying his "parts" for the change I'd say things would be... interesting
Most likily the marine would be of chaos and slaanesh would do the work for him/her

corpsesarefun wrote:Female space marines? sure, just dont give them giant breasts or hentai fluff. yes im looking at you doc thunder

Ah, that's so thoughtful of you to troll me in someone else's thread.

I feel so embarrassed, though, I didn't get you anything.

So, the general NERD RAGE standpoint is:

Space Marines cant have boobs, they must have power schlong. Because the imaginary codex for the imaginary game says 'male tissues'.

I'd bet that whole opinion would change if they described the zygote implanting as being the equivalent of castration. Which lets face it- since their arent any space marine chicks, the Space Marine are really the Emporers Finest....eunuchs....

Mistress of minis wrote:So, the general NERD RAGE standpoint is:

Space Marines cant have boobs, they must have power schlong. Because the imaginary codex for the imaginary game says 'male tissues'.

I'd bet that whole opinion would change if they described the zygote implanting as being the equivalent of castration. Which lets face it- since their arent any space marine chicks, the Space Marine are really the Emporers Finest....eunuchs....

The chemicals used to alter them and chemicals used to sustain them would destroy any sort of Reproductive capability anyway.

Although Power Schlong is a nice thought for a Slaanesh Conversion...

Mistress of minis wrote:Space Marines cant have boobs, they must have power schlong.

I always though of it more as a power maul...

As for female Marines, I could see it happening, I just couldn't see the Imperium or Marine Chapters being happy about it.

I would say Fabius Bile could do it if he wanted too.

Also the idea someone mentions of Slaanesh Marines geting sex changes is a freaking interesting idea.

Now as for Sisters of Battle being amped up to Marine stats, I am pretty sure Combat Drugs could do the trick, just wouldn't vouch for the long term survival of the subjects. Perhaps Combat Drugs and some time of supplementary Blood Filtration system to monitor it and help stave off organ failure and what not.

Now female Chaos Marines who use Combat Drugs and are given resilience by their worship of Nurgle, that has potential as well. Female Plague Bearers... Hmm I wonder what diseases they might carry. Could be the basis for an interesting Slaanesh & Nurgle army.

Hell some kind of Tzeetch upgrade could work as well...

You know- this line of thought really makes me wonder why no one ever wants to make female orks...

De-calcification, when normal human females reach a certain age they somehow (I'm no doctor so I can't give much detail) start losing the calcium in their bones along with the power to regain it efficiently.

Considering that a Space Marine has a huge skeleton (entire chest is bone several times thicker tan normal ribs), this loss of calcium could be quite disastrous.

Dakkadood wrote:De-calcification, when normal human females reach a certain age they somehow (I'm no doctor so I can't give much detail) start losing the calcium in their bones along with the power to regain it efficiently.

Considering that a Space Marine has a huge skeleton (entire chest is bone several times thicker tan normal ribs), this loss of calcium could be quite disastrous.

Males also die at arround 60-100 years old, but space marines don't.


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Mistress of minis wrote:You know- this line of thought really makes me wonder why no one ever wants to make female orks...

Because orks are Asexual Fungus

Gwar! wrote:Because orks are Asexual Fungus

Funny, I think most gamers are too....

IMO female marines would be kinda hot, give somthin for the male ones to look forward to hehe , and its possible just make up fluff for it that the High Lords are working on a secret project and the female chapter are used to lure in Slanessh worshipers who cant resist then pow right in the kisser lol . I would think that Female Marines would be better at BS and I then S and A , woman are proven to be superior marksman compared to men and there usual more graceful and there patience can last forever just about. And Men are of course stronger naturally and more brutal having killed each other forever(woman being smarter too for staying out of it lol) not tryin to kiss ass just facts

Lord Chiasson wrote:IMO female marines would be kinda hot, give somthin for the male ones to look forward to hehe , and its possible just make up fluff for it that the High Lords are working on a secret project and the female chapter are used to lure in Slanessh worshipers who cant resist then pow right in the kisser lol . I would think that Female Marines would be better at BS and I then S and A , woman are proven to be superior marksman compared to men and there usual more graceful and there patience can last forever just about. And Men are of course stronger naturally and more brutal having killed each other forever(woman being smarter too for staying out of it lol) not tryin to kiss ass just facts

To Make up fluff is exactly the problem.

Where to start and where to end?

New selfmade:
Female
-orks
-nids
-necrons
-Sm

Or stay with:

Female
-eldar
-dark eldar
-tau
-IG
-inq
-sob
-csm

Why would you want female space marines from a military point of view?

Males (because om mucle mass etc) provide a much better template.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why would you want female space marines from a military point of view?

Males (because om mucle mass etc) provide a much better template.

I think you bring up a good point from a realism standpoint, I just don't think that realism has any place in 40K.

If this were Star Trek, Star Wars, or any other sci-fi universe that was based even remotely on rational or scientific thinking, then I'd be with you 100%.

In 40K it's all just "magic"

Doctor Thunder wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why would you want female space marines from a military point of view?

Males (because om mucle mass etc) provide a much better template.

I think you bring up a good point from a realism standpoint, I just don't think that realism has any place in 40K.

If this were Star Trek, Star Wars, or any other sci-fi universe that was based even remotely on rational or scientific thinking, then I'd be with you 100%.

In 40K it's all just "magic"

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Just remember #3 at all times

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why would you want female space marines from a military point of view?

Males (because om mucle mass etc) provide a much better template.

When your talking about radical genetic alteration that space marines receive, it doesnt seem likely that gender based muscle mass would be a factor compared to having a solid rib cage, having acid slobber, and being able to go into suspended animation etc etc

Marines aren't chosen just for muscle mass, if they were wouldnt they just pick Ogryn?...which brings up more fluff tangents....why dont we see Ogryn and ratling space marines!?! Ogryn could strap land speeders to their backs and use them for jet packs...weild a thunder hammer in each hand at initiative value all thanks to zygotey goodness!

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Why would you want female space marines from a military point of view?

Yes, why?

If those alterations work on both genders, why expend both in a war?
Don't you need your females to refill youre depleted ranks?
Isn't it easier to start a great crusade with males obeying orders than females who stop at every "cute" xenos?

Mistress of minis wrote:When your talking about radical genetic alteration that space marines receive, it doesnt seem likely that gender based muscle mass would be a factor compared to having a solid rib cage, having acid slobber, and being able to go into suspended animation etc etc

Of course, then you get into the question of why you would want them in the game anyways. They wouldn't retain any distinguishable traits that make them "female". They'd be the same hulking, brainwashed, inhuman monsters as every other space marine, only probably harder to make (considering the huge death rates for male initiates, the problems with geneseed mutations, and the regimen of extra hormones that would be required to get the organs to take). Plus, I have to say they'd fit in poorly with the monk/legionnaire/other traditionally male warrior style that the space marines usually have.

Marines aren't chosen just for muscle mass, if they were wouldnt they just pick Ogryn?

Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

(Also, Ogryns aren't smart enough to trust for complex missions. They would have to be made into Space Wolves.)

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Marines aren't chosen just for muscle mass, if they were wouldnt they just pick Ogryn?

Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

(Also, Ogryns aren't smart enough to trust for complex missions. They would have to be made into Space Wolves.)

Oh no you Didn't!

I think you mean Ultrapals

The important factor here is a vital step called "removal of the lady parts." That being said, there are female space marines. Well, what used to be anyway.

Gwar! wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Marines aren't chosen just for muscle mass, if they were wouldnt they just pick Ogryn?

Suffer Not the Mutant to Live!

(Also, Ogryns aren't smart enough to trust for complex missions. They would have to be made into Space Wolves.)

Oh no you Didn't!

Zing!

I think you mean Ultrapals

Well, if you made the Codex Astartes into a pop-up book you'd probably be set.