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You are either ENTIRELY on the board, are you aren't. If you're going to be TFG and say that you can move your infantry onto the book cabinet 2metre across the room than do that. All it's gonna get you is *FACEPALM!*

It is clear that models even TOUCHING the board are considered off. It makes no sense that tank pops out of FREAKING nowhere and attacks that unit in thier face. If we follow this logic then we must assume that these same models must have been able to draw LOS and even CHARGE the tank as it was "just off the table".

So we've got to page 7 what have we learnt.

Well there no rule for what happens if you block a table edge. We also all agreed that to let this happen its your own fault. Whether tanks can or cannot tank charge is a completely grey area (with only a rough out line as to what's going on). If you actually want a game, why not let them tank charge? It will be a hard battle but he may win. In a tournament ask the judges, that's what they're there for.

If you're playing a friendly game why are you blocking off the board edge? Do you not want to have a game?

Tri wrote:So we've got to page 7 what have we learnt.

Well there no rule for what happens if you block a table edge. We also all agreed that to let this happen its your own fault. Whether tanks can or cannot tank charge is a completely grey area (with only a rough out line as to what's going on). If you actually want a game, why not let them tank charge? It will be a hard battle but he may win. In a tournament ask the judges, that's what they're there for.

If you're playing a friendly game why are you blocking off the board edge? Do you not want to have a game?

QFT

I agree with Tri.

I think its time to accept stalemate, unless someone has something NEW, it's not going to resolve.

Both sides have equal arguments. No one side has anything over the other.

In friendly games, a situation just like this shouldn't occur, and if it does, I don't think an actual end of the game shall occur. If someone blocks off the other in a friendly game, then they shouldn't be playing friendly games. I don't beleive it should be the blocked players fault, as it's possible for some vehicles to ignore troops in movement and a number of them can rush to the other side.

In a competitive game, ask a judge or an equal, what they say is what'll happen, like it or not.

Emperors Faithful wrote:You are either ENTIRELY on the board, are you aren't. If you're going to be TFG and say that you can move your infantry onto the book cabinet 2metre across the room than do that. All it's gonna get you is *FACEPALM!*

It is clear that models even TOUCHING the board are considered off. It makes no sense that tank pops out of FREAKING nowhere and attacks that unit in thier face. If we follow this logic then we must assume that these same models must have been able to draw LOS and even CHARGE the tank as it was "just off the table".

Wow, getting a little worked up here.

You have added words to the rule - if the rule said "move entirely" or ANY qualifier you would be right. As it doesn't, you're wrong. If you can't accept that by the actual ruels you are wrong, then nothing anyone can post weill make a difference.

It is clear that models touching the board WHEN FALLING BACK are dead, however falling back /= moving on from reserves. IF you want to conflate the two rules, fine, but then you're "TFG" and deserve a face palm.

If you can't react calmy I;d suggest taking a deep breath. It also makes no sense that the tank just turns up out of nowhere, but you seem to think so.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Okay 'ere we go.

Pg.68 "When moving a tank, the player can declare that the vehichle is going to attempt a tank shock attack INSTEAD of moving normally."

Pg. 94 "Each model's move is measured from the edge of the battlefield, as if they had been positioned just off the boardn the previous turn and MOVED AS NORMAL."

It is clear that you must move on the table NORMALY, and it is also clear that Tank Shocking is NOT a normal move.

Therefore, you cannot Tank Shock onto the field.

You "mustn't" do anything, there is nothing in the reserve rules that says that you must move into the table normally, just that the move is treated like a normal move and according to the tank shock rules then if you are going to perform a normal move (wich the entering from reserves move is treated as), then you can replace it with a tank shock!

ITT: People who want the game played a particular fashion nit-pick the other sides argument. Eventually a black hole opens up killing them all instantly. The world rejoices.


Also: Omg tank shock onto the board? such heresy!

And so I'm relevant to the topic at hand: If I'm allowed a normal move then I'm allowed a tank shock, yes? In counter to my own argument, Must there be a start point for said tank shock? if yes, must it be outside of 1" of my opponents models? If yes, does the board edge count as where my model "starts"? If the answer is 'yes' then i can't 'start' my tank shock there as my model cannot be legally placed there.

Lastly: ask your TO how it will be played in a tournament. When not playing a tournament talk to your opponent, if you cannot agree, roll a D6. This is a game of miniatures,we needn't resort to angry berating and fisticuffs.

@nosterafu1001: *chugging of pills in backround* yeah, you're right, forgot my medications. Also, when coming in from RESERVE (albiet via deepstrike) if the model is even TOUCHING the board edge they roll on the mishap and can't/won't be placed there. Surely one rule about reserves relates to others?

Also, if people start saying that thier tank can hang off the board, where will it stop? Can models move off the board and use the rulebooks and tape measures for cover?

Emperors Faithful wrote:@nosterafu1001: *chugging of pills in backround* yeah, you're right, forgot my medications. Also, when coming in from RESERVE (albiet via deepstrike) if the model is even TOUCHING the board edge they roll on the mishap and can't/won't be placed there. Surely one rule about reserves relates to others?

Not at all, as those rules apply specifically to a special means of entering the board (deep striking). As for where it will end, that's easy. It ends at the edge of the table. Aside from falling back, there are no rules to allow/govern models moving off the table, so it can't be done. What we're talking about here is where the rules specifically allow you to move on.

Re: monoliths, I was fairly sure that mine was wider than 6", but I'll have to get out the tape measure and check to be sure.

Also, if people start saying that thier tank can hang off the board, where will it stop? Can models move off the board and use the rulebooks and tape measures for cover?

The rules are explicit in that the model is to be treated as if it is off the board and moving on to it. You stop to resolve the Tank Shock attack. The situation where a model is hanging off the board will only result from a successful Death or Glory attack. The Tank Shock attack itself is not illegal as the requirement criterion of being on the table is met.

The rules do not, however, say you may move off the board, so your analogy is bunk.

Emperors Faithful - no worries, pills are goood Only the blue ones though....

Trouble is comparing deepstrike (inherently dangerous!) to moving onto the board (only dangerous if you want it to be, normally....) is a little like comparing apples to thermonuclear devices. Both have cores you don't normally touch, but one has a more lasting effect than the other!

RAW models can hang off the edge - a suggested and IMHO good hosuerule is that they should do so unsupported. The only exception I would ever do is if someone decided to block the baord off, then its strict RAW from then on- dick moves like that should not be tolerated Although if i found myself in that position I should probably concede as you'd have to be quite stupid / lacking in knowledge to fall for it!

Hows this you can have your nice model partially hanging off the board but if i bump the table it'll be your fault =D see everyone wins, you get to tank shock as long as it stays up there and doesn't move and I get to have the last laugh because it's going to fall on the floor.

So the best rebuttal you can come up with 'I'm gunna break your toys?'

*golf clap*

Well, seeing as logic won't work I'm all for it!

Somehow I think false threats will acheive much more, but nothing useful.

Joking Oblitr8r. k?

kitsunez wrote:Hows this you can have your nice model partially hanging off the board but if i bump the table it'll be your fault =D see everyone wins, you get to tank shock as long as it stays up there and doesn't move and I get to have the last laugh because it's going to fall on the floor.

When faced with actual rules you break peoples toys? You must be a great person to game with.

kitsunez wrote:Hows this you can have your nice model partially hanging off the board but if i bump the table it'll be your fault =D see everyone wins, you get to tank shock as long as it stays up there and doesn't move and I get to have the last laugh because it's going to fall on the floor.

Modquisition on.

This thread has been reported and I can see why. Putting this thread out of its misery.