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Thought this one might be worth a mention.

Alerian wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Alerian wrote:Actually, the DA codex states that NO model may turbo as a scout move, it does not specify that only DA models may not do so.

Therefore, if one player is using the DA codex, then no unit in either army may turbo scout move....see how stupid RAW can be

No, that's not right. Nothing lets the opponent look in the DA codex for rules, nor does the rule say it applies to the enemy, so it doesn't.

Actually the DA codex specifies NO model....that means NO model. It is stupid. It is just a note about a 4th ed rule, yet by pure RAW, if any player is useing the DA codex then pure RAW dictates taht NO model may scout/turbo. Of course no one in their right mind would play it that way; however it is RAW.

It is also not the first time that one codex effects both the codex army and its opponent. Again, I am not suggesting that anyone would play it this way. This is just one more example where RAW shuold be overlooked for RAI, because NO model means "NO" model.

Then again, it is also just listed as a "Note", so one could just as easily disregard it as "notating" a 4th ed rule, and therefore allow it bearing in 5th, whatsoever.

Pure RAW on this is broken...no way around it, as it is a "note" referencing a 4th rule that indeed allowed "NO" unit to scout turbo. If you play this by RAW (which nobody will), then NO unit can trubo/scout...including DA and their opponents.

So let me get this clear . . . By RAW does it affect the other player, or not? . . . Sorry just didn't think you said it enough =p

Might have to bring this up next time I play Dark Angels against Valkyries . . . "Sorry you can't turbo boost, it says right here in my codex that you can't . . . No I'm not using that unit, but it says there NO model." Just see how long it takes for me to get a slap. =p

Oshova

Oshova wrote:So let me get this clear . . . By RAW does it affect the other player, or not? . . . Sorry just didn't think you said it enough =p

Might have to bring this up next time I play Dark Angels against Valkyries . . . "Sorry you can't turbo boost, it says right here in my codex that you can't . . . No I'm not using that unit, but it says there NO model." Just see how long it takes for me to get a slap. =p

Oshova

Valkyries don't Turbo Boost.

They don't!? Isn't their 24" move counted as turbo boosting? =[ that sucks lol . . . Well in that case I'll have to use it against Nob bikers =D

Oshova

Nob bikers can't turbo boost during a scout move because they can't scout...

Deffkoptas however...

I think it must be time for bed . . . Seeing as I don't seem to be able to remember anything of any importance . . . Or do anything of any importance . . . I apologise for my current failure of rules knowledge.

Btw, it's not really a rule that doesn't work . . . it's more a broken rule, that's horribly effective. So, you know that your next game is your Deamonhunters Vs Daemons . . . What should you take? . . . My vote is for the most pacifistic army known to man. 3 Inquisitors and 2 Inquisitor Lords . . . All with the psychic power Sanctuary. It creates a lovely area that blocks line of sight for deamons, they can't enter it, it basically makes your army invincible when playing deamons. And with the rules stating that psychic powers are measured from the hull of vehicles . . . How many Land Raiders can you fit in there? As many as your points will allow! THAT is how you exploit old codices to create the world's least enjoyable game =D

Oshova

Oshova wrote:I think it must be time for bed . . . Seeing as I don't seem to be able to remember anything of any importance . . . Or do anything of any importance . . . I apologise for my current failure of rules knowledge.

Btw, it's not really a rule that doesn't work . . . it's more a broken rule, that's horribly effective. So, you know that your next game is your Deamonhunters Vs Daemons . . . What should you take? . . . My vote is for the most pacifistic army known to man. 3 Inquisitors and 2 Inquisitor Lords . . . All with the psychic power Sanctuary. It creates a lovely area that blocks line of sight for deamons, they can't enter it, it basically makes your army invincible when playing deamons. And with the rules stating that psychic powers are measured from the hull of vehicles . . . How many Land Raiders can you fit in there? As many as your points will allow! THAT is how you exploit old codices to create the world's least enjoyable game =D

Oshova

Sure, a lot of the Daemon army can't touch it, but a lot of the Daemon army aren't Daemons according to a strict ruling of the DH codex! So much of them can still get into the bubble!

But all Daemons are Daemons . . . It doesn't say with the Daemon special rule. It just says daemons. So surely all models bought from the Daemons book are Daemons.

Oshova - waiting until he can say something without using the word Daemons

That's pretty funny. DA army special rule: nobody can tubro boost scout. Effective against.. orks? Scout bikers?

ph34r wrote:That's pretty funny. DA army special rule: nobody can tubro boost scout. Effective against.. orks? Scout bikers?

Scout Bikers and Deffkoptas.

Oshova wrote:But all Daemons are Daemons . . . It doesn't say with the Daemon special rule. It just says daemons. So surely all models bought from the Daemons book are Daemons.

Oshova - waiting until he can say something without using the word Daemons

The units in the Chaos Daemon book have a rule called 'Daemon' but the Daemonhunter codex on page 20 specifically defines what it means by the words 'Daemon' and 'Daemons'.

Why on Earth would you expect the definition in one codex to change the definition used by another codex?

So it clearly defines it by the words Daemon and Daemons? I'm sure that quite a few times it calls the Daemons in the Daemons book Daemons . . .

But look we're getting off topic here.

Oshova

Oshova wrote:So it clearly defines it by the words Daemon and Daemons? I'm sure that quite a few times it calls the Daemons in the Daemons book Daemons . . .

But look we're getting off topic here.

Oshova

Problem is Daemons are a defined gaming term in the daemon hunter codex. It is not enough to be called a daemon you must also be recognised as such and have your name on the list in their codex.

If you're not on the list they don't think you are a daemon.

Here's one I just noticed. The deffrolla cannot ram. The GW FAQ says, "The death rolla does indeed..."

ryan3740 wrote:Here's one I just noticed. The deffrolla cannot ram. The GW FAQ says, "The death rolla does indeed..."

Yeah there could be a whole section for just Orky spelling. For instance, before the latest Ork codex came out the rule for Power Fists stated that Power Fists and Power Claws double your strength, and Power Fist (and Claws) strike last in CC. Well, someone pointed out in a joking manner that the rule technically stated that "Power Claws" double your strength, but do not strike last as the strikes last rule does not apply to Power Claws, only Claws, so they strike at initiative.

Then I pointed out that Orks don't have Power Claws, they have Power Klaws, which since there is not a rule for them get treated as a normal power weapon

Then the whole fun RAW funness got rendered moot when the ork codex came out and said Power Klaws are treated as power fists in every aspect.

In various psychic powers, including Warptime, THE PSYKER ITSELF must roll the dice. (That's the model, not the player)

Could I get a quote on that? I check p50 of the rulebook but didn't find anything.

Its in their respective codices.

makr wrote:

In various psychic powers, including Warptime, THE PSYKER ITSELF must roll the dice. (That's the model, not the player)

Could I get a quote on that? I check p50 of the rulebook but didn't find anything.

CSM Codex, p88 wrote:

Warptime

The power is used at the start of any player's turn. If successful, the psyker may re-roll all rolls to hit and rolls to wound for the entirety of that player's turn.

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Also, I think we should campaign to sticky this thread. Maybe I'll make the title look more educational or something...

uh, ummm, yes, something that is both fun AND educational, like we haven't seen that marketing trick before?

Oh..well the rulebook says you can't reroll a reroll.
So...
My opponent and I roll for first turn. We both roll a 3. THat's a tie. We reroll. We both roll a 5. Well, you can't reroll a reroll...

No one goes first, the game is a draw.

Lol...RAW is silly.

So very silly.

And, as mentioned earlier, not true.

Steelmage99 wrote:And, as mentioned earlier, not true.

Agreed. I wish people would read before posting.

Gwar! wrote:I wish people would read before posting.

Wish granted (well not really none of the gods i asked had the power)

Here is a good one:
Nob Bikers, Warbikers and IC's on Warbikes are not the Bikes unit type.

Page 46 of Codex: Orks states "Any model mounted on a Warbike [...] modifies his troop type to Bike [...]" (Exact wording there).

Sadly, there is no such thing as a "troop type", so it obviously is never modified.

Oh this is just awesome.

Gwar does that mean that ork bikes count as infantry? SLOOOOW!!! lol

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Gwar does that mean that ork bikes count as infantry? SLOOOOW!!! lol

Oshova

Only things that buy Warbikes (Nobs and IC's). Warbikers and Wazzdakka are Bikes proper.

The bad thing about this thread is that all of the TFGs have bookmarked it, printed it out and use these rulings in games.

ginger_nid_dude wrote:The bad thing about this thread is that all of the TFGs have bookmarked it, printed it out and use these rulings in games.

No.

If they were TFG, they would know all this anyway.