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So my friends Nob Biker army would be screwed =p . . . Well more screwed than using 4 Jaws of the World Wolf on it . . . That was hilariously horrible watching lines of bikers fall into a chasm =D

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Yeah this is a cool thread +1 for stickying it. Sure a new huge batch will be added when people have properly digested the new BA codex, so many nwe special rules loads have to be worded wrong or have knock effects.

FlingitNow wrote:Yeah this is a cool thread +1 for stickying it. Sure a new huge batch will be added when people have properly digested the new BA codex, so many nwe special rules loads have to be worded wrong or have knock effects.

Well I already posted up an FAQ for it, so feel free to dissect it and relay the RaW silliness here, I CBA doing it myself

Is there much silliness in it? You've already done the leg work so i assume you know.

Units with Red Thirst that don't also have ATSKNF. Rendering Red Thirst useless.

The specific wording of the Stormraven's transport ability, rendering most of the "walkers" in the army unable to use it.

Adding new terms to the game then never defining them.

Just a few of the BA goodies.

Loads of units have "Power Swords" >.<

The main rule book states that zzap guns hit automatically, though there is no mention of this in the ork codex.

I think I remember a buddy of mine mentioning something about RAW says that the Necron Deceiver's ability to 're-deploy' an enemy unit cannot ever be used.
I'll have to go back and re-read that bit and figure out what he meant...
[EDIT:] It seems that he was referring to the fact that there are no specific deployment rules outlined in any mission descriptions. They say what special rules would be used, but doesn't specifically refer to how to deploy.

A librarian uses quickening in the assualt phase at which point he gains the fleet USR that he can't use as he may only run in the shooting phase.

A librarian uses quickening in the assualt phase at which point he gains the fleet USR that he can't use as he may only run in the shooting phase.

He can run in the shooting phase with or without the fleet USR, the Fleet USR just allows him to then assault in the assault phase if he ran. So it works fine as he gains the rule when he needs to use it.

FlingitNow wrote:

A librarian uses quickening in the assualt phase at which point he gains the fleet USR that he can't use as he may only run in the shooting phase.

He can run in the shooting phase with or without the fleet USR, the Fleet USR just allows him to then assault in the assault phase if he ran. So it works fine as he gains the rule when he needs to use it.

I'm not sure that is RAI, as GW actually corrects this in their Errata. The subtle difference being that if you fail the psychic test in the shooting phase (as changed to in the Errata) then you can change plan and instead of running, shoot and not assault.

I'm not sure that is RAI, as GW actually corrects this in their Errata. The subtle difference being that if you fail the psychic test in the shooting phase (as changed to in the Errata) then you can change plan and instead of running, shoot and not assault.

Yeah if you run you are relying on getting the power off and have lost your chance to shoot should you fail the psychic test or it be nullified by something (hood runic weapon etc). Hence why they changed it but it still did work before.

Ceorron - you also missed that the BRB summary has a specific "the codex version is always right", so even if it states the zzap gun hits automatically, unless the codex also states this you ignore the BRB.

In the new BA book, Gabriel Seth is able to use his S8 rending on a monolith, as he doesn't have rending, his attacks are mearley resolved as having rending, rendering living metal useless against it. GO FLESH TEARERS.

Krellnus wrote:In the new BA book, Gabriel Seth is able to use his S8 rending on a monolith, as he doesn't have rending, his attacks are mearley resolved as having rending, rendering living metal useless against it. GO FLESH TEARERS.

Actually, he can't. He has the "Rending Special Rule". There is no such thing as a "Rending Special Rule". There is a Rending Weapon type, but Gabriel doesn't have that!

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ceorron - you also missed that the BRB summary has a specific "the codex version is always right", so even if it states the zzap gun hits automatically, unless the codex also states this you ignore the BRB.


Yeah I know but still is obviouse mistake in the BRB.

Just because I started the thread and it clearly is a scribes fault.

Wazzdakka can fire all his weapons but only when he turbo boosts.

See:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/285217.page

Wazzdakka can fire all his weapons but only when he turbo boosts.

Not true that is a choice to interpret him being able to fire "his weapons" as saying he may fire all his weapons rather than any of his weapons (notice how in both instances I'm using a plural). Later reading follows all the RaW for both the BrB and the Codex the former reading breaks BrB rules and the Codexes rules so is not a valid rules interpretation under RaW.

@FlingitNow, I know I know that it is a mistake, and that it is picky, and the rule interpretation is obvious, a little anal but this forum is about making light of the written mistakes of others, no need to be so defensive of the rules.

Apoc Rulebook P141: Cloudstrike Squadron

The Supercharged rule states the following:

If the Cloudstrike does not fire in given shooting phase, then in the next Shooting phase all pulse lasers in the Squadron count as having the Lance rule

Am I correct in thinking that this allows you to always have Lance, as obviously you cannot fire in the opponent's Shooting phase, giving your Pulse Lasers the Lance rule for your phase?

Just a little RAW thing I found yesterday.

Valk

Valkyrie wrote:Apoc Rulebook P141: Cloudstrike Squadron

The Supercharged rule states the following:

If the Cloudstrike does not fire in given shooting phase, then in the next Shooting phase all pulse lasers in the Squadron count as having the Lance rule

Am I correct in thinking that this allows you to always have Lance, as obviously you cannot fire in the opponent's Shooting phase, giving your Pulse Lasers the Lance rule for your phase?

Just a little RAW thing I found yesterday.

Valk

That's Apoc, RaW doesn't really apply.

Gwar! wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:Apoc Rulebook P141: Cloudstrike Squadron

The Supercharged rule states the following:

If the Cloudstrike does not fire in given shooting phase, then in the next Shooting phase all pulse lasers in the Squadron count as having the Lance rule

Am I correct in thinking that this allows you to always have Lance, as obviously you cannot fire in the opponent's Shooting phase, giving your Pulse Lasers the Lance rule for your phase?

Just a little RAW thing I found yesterday.

Valk

That's Apoc, RaW doesn't really apply.

RAW applies just as much in Apoc as in any other game type.

Calgar's "Titanic Might" special rule does not work for the same reason Warptime doesn't work.

It says Calgar can re-roll blah blah blah. So not only does the model have to do the rolling, you have to ask nicely. He doesn't have to, but he can. So take back those smurf jokes!

... I think.

EDIT: Of course, I guess that means Combat Tactics and God of War don't work either, since the unit (or Calgar) has to choose to pass/fail. I imagine you'll be waiting awhile for those little plastic dudes to make a decision.

A little addition to the models without eyes cant see rule:

Even if you add gunners to the bassilisk it still can't see because they.re eyes cant draw LOS through the gun shield thingie (sorry i don't know the correct english term for it).

HoverBoy wrote:A little addition to the models without eyes cant see rule:

Even if you add gunners to the bassilisk it still can't see because they.re eyes cant draw LOS through the gun shield thingie (sorry i don't know the correct english term for it).

Actually, vehicles are exempt from this. With vehicles, you draw LOS from the gun barrel. The basilisk gunners are just cosmetic....

Hmm musta missed that rule. Oh well wrong again, gettin used to it

HoverBoy wrote:A little addition to the models without eyes cant see rule:

Even if you add gunners to the bassilisk it still can't see because they.re eyes cant draw LOS through the gun shield thingie (sorry i don't know the correct english term for it).

I don't think there is a proper English term for it...

Krellnus wrote:

HoverBoy wrote:the gun shield thingie (sorry i don't know the correct english term for it).

I don't think there is a proper English term for it...

Surprisingly enough "gun shield" is a proper English term for it. Might also be called a mantlet.

You are wrong about Shrike not conferring infiltrate to the unit he joins. It is in the reserve rules that you have to let your opponent know the organization of the reserved units, and even has a specific paragraph about joining ICs to units in reserve.

Fearspect wrote:You are wrong about Shrike not conferring infiltrate to the unit he joins. It is in the reserve rules that you have to let your opponent know the organization of the reserved units, and even has a specific paragraph about joining ICs to units in reserve.

Actually, he is right. You can do it if you keep them in RESERVE, you cannot do it if you want to deploy them.