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Mannahnin wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Here is 40Enthusiast's list:

Abaddon
Typhus
3 x 10 Terminators, a Nurgly shooty unit, a Tzeentchy shooty unit and a Slaaneshy fighty unit
2 x 5 CSM w/Icon of Chaos Glory, one has rhino

This list catches a lot of people off guard, but I've won a tourney with it and have a great win/loss record. Basically it wins KP by Death Star, and wins objectives by sending Terminators to take their long range threats out while the scorers wait in reserve. Once delivered, Abaddon and Typhus wreck face. I think the list would be stronger with a Lasher for Typhus, he could have Terminator armor to keep the theme going.

Taking long-range threats out?
Just by hoofing across the board and killing them at short range or in cc?

Yup. I expect that the three units just form kind of a wall, pushing across the table, perhaps at an angle depending on the exact terrain and enemy deployment. Then the scoring models enter the table later, well behind the wall of terminators, and do their best to hide completely while grabbing objectives if the mission so requires.

However, when a tooled up TWC unit incl. some HQs (see Yermom's list) hit the Termies, they will eventually crumble.

Abaddon
Typhus
3 x 10 Terminators, a Nurgly shooty unit, a Tzeentchy shooty unit and a Slaaneshy fighty unit
2 x 5 CSM w/Icon of Chaos Glory, one has rhino

This list catches a lot of people off guard, but I've won a tourney with it and have a great win/loss record. Basically it wins KP by Death Star, and wins objectives by sending Terminators to take their long range threats out while the scorers wait in reserve. Once delivered, Abaddon and Typhus wreck face. I think the list would be stronger with a Lasher for Typhus, he could have Terminator armor to keep the theme going.

Awww i thought this was a 1500pt list, didn't know it was 1850...dang

also whats TWC


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im sold on his 6 land raider build for 1850 i like that one a lot XD, tryied making a 1500pt version but sadly the lowest points i could get down for 5 land raiders were 20 points over :/

ThunderWolf Cavalry, ZB.

Depends on the upgrades.

Typhus + Abbaddon just by themselves put out a ton of damage. Add a unit of Slaaneshi (I5) terminators, presumably mostly equipped with lightning claws, and a few with fists, to the mix and I suspect it'd be a darn good fight.

Want to try running the math?

Mannahnin wrote:ThunderWolf Cavalry, ZB.

Depends on the upgrades.

Typhus + Abbaddon just by themselves put out a ton of damage. Add a unit of Slaaneshi (I5) terminators, presumably mostly equipped with lightning claws, and a few with fists, to the mix and I suspect it'd be a darn good fight.

Want to try running the math?

ya but you also have to remember Typhos + Abby is 500pts + terms with lightning clas or PF are 40pts each and 65 pnts for the slaanesh icon carrier, thats a lot of your army points

Of course. But the whole point of the army design is to have three big killer units which are extremely tough to destroy and can walk across the table, wrecking multiple enemy units and contesting every objective your opponent tries to hold.

It's in one sense a "spam" list, in that you are trying to put more 2+ save models on the table than your opponent can deal with. You can also use the Tzeentch unit to help give the other two cover saves, thus ensuring that the termies get a 4+ save against most of the AP2 or better firepower your opponent DOES dump into them.

"Deathstar" armies use a different approach to army construction than other armies, where you're more concerned about keeping costs down and getting more units on the table.

Sorry,I don't mean to change the subject....But what do you guys think about Chaos Walker lists? I was thinking about this:

HQ- Lash Prince w/wings

Elites- Dreadnought w/Plasma Cannon and Missile Launcher
Dreadnought w/ Plasma Cannon and DCCW
Dreadnought w/ Plasma Cannon and DDCW

Troops-
x5 Plague marines,x2 melta, rhino(+havoc),PF champion
x5 Plague Marines,x2 melta, rhino(+Havoc),PF champion

Heavy-
Defiler, Reaper, Havoc Launcher
Defiler, Reaper, havoc Launcher
Defiler, x2 DCCW

For an undefined points game. I haven't worked it out, I was just drafting. I know there's probably some "wat" choices in there, but I'm confident that if I stick my dreadnoughts close to my defilers, I really don't have to worry too much about that dreaded '6'

I'd probably swap the Pcannons out for heavy bolters if they hurt me too much. Hbolters seem to be the way to go on Chaos Dreadnoughts. I do love my Pcannons though.

I was considering running some Dreadclaws for the Dreadnoughts, since they get them away from other units and if they roll that 6, they'll probably shoot at the dreadclaw. But most players don't allow IA stuff, so I don't want to include them in the list. They're definitely worth the 60 points though.

Everything else is pretty standard. The defilers are a gun line, basically. The lash prince can get targets closer to my dreadnoughts (Which is why two would be better, but I haven't worked out the points). The plague marines can do whatever I need them to do, and those havoc launchers on the Rhinos give that unit some sort of purpose after it unloads the dudes. For objective based games, I'd probably swap two of the defilers for more plague marine units. The dreads are only like 105 points each, so I see no reason to compensate them.

This concept can work fine, though I think you'll find most of the time it works better played aggressively rather than as a gunline.

I played Whitedragon (from here on Dakka) using a variant of it in the final round of the '08 Baltimore GT.

That post I linked to earlier from 40kEnthusiast also has a monster mash list:

Lash Prince w/ wings
Lash Prince w/wings
3 Defilers w/cc upgrades
3 Dreads w/cc upgrades
Greater Daemon
3 Zerker squads in rhinos

You can use whatever you want for the Rhino squads, depending on points. Stripped-down 5 man CSM squads are an option for cheap.

The MC heavy list should work fine, also in a competitive environment.
I'd eventually consider Daemons as troops.

Chaos still works - it just doesn't beat you over the head with an auto choice.

The dedicated troop choices are all still good - maybe overpriced but that is your advantage.

The only beef I have is with the growth of lethal psychic abilities, chaos has no defense against them.

wuestenfux wrote:The MC heavy list should work fine, also in a competitive environment.
I'd eventually consider Daemons as troops.

Whitedragon's list featured three 5 man CSM squads (two in Rhinos, one riding in a LR), and two packs of 5 LDs, IIRC. The rest was the LR, two lash princes, a GD, two Defilers, and three CC dreads.

Mannahnin wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:The MC heavy list should work fine, also in a competitive environment.
I'd eventually consider Daemons as troops.

Whitedragon's list featured three 5 man CSM squads (two in Rhinos, one riding in a LR), and two packs of 5 LDs, IIRC. The rest was the LR, two lash princes, a GD, two Defilers, and three CC dreads.

Small Berzerker squads do not cut it. Five men squads are just for scoring purposes and sniping inside of the Rhinos. (LD = lesser daemons?).

5 man CSM squads and LD (yes, Lesser Daemon) squads are just for scoring.

5 man Berserkers can actually do a bit of damage, though are usually just there to score as well.