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mwnciboo wrote:

OMG.....You must be insane. LONG FANGS 5 x HW (oh BTW they are cheaper than Normal DEVS and their WEAPONS are cheaper!)

numbering six total with no 'ablative' wounds means you just crapped out an average 200 points and a kill for losing the squad to random fire

Oh yeah Rune Priests (with a force multiplier), Wolf priests, Iron priests, Lone Wolves, Wolf Lords, Thunder Wolf Cavalry, Scouts with Special Weapons as Elites, Wolf Guard that can take any Combo of weapons they feel like and a Battle leader is an IC.

hmmm...yer point?...Ironpriests are now elites and not HQ as they should be, scouts that cost twice what vanilla marines do with the same or fewer weaps options, WG that have the same weaps choices as other termie squads and cost more, lone wolves that grant kill points for surviving the battle, Battle leader equals company captain so yes IC as a HQ choice should be...

A blood claw with a Stasis grenade for a heart, Ulrik the Slayer, Bjorn the Fell handed, Ragnar, Canis, Logan Grimnar, Arjac (oh yeah and all kinds of special rules for their troops COUNTER-ATTACK, ACUTE SENSORS, BERSERK CHARGE, HEADSTRONG) oh and FENRISIAN WOLVES, SKY CLAWS.

Lukas IMO is nothing more than an assassin in PA...not much for him in my army, the other specials have not changed since the 2nd edition with the exception of adding Canis and his atomic squirrel and Arjac to make up for the umpteen specials GW has killed off, but been nice enough to wave like a flag in every SW players face since 2nd edition...Sky claws were never very good as a unit...BC jump troops were always weak, which is why most SW players I know never fielded them and when they did, included the WGPL to maintain the unit as a battle ready formation and not just a bunch of berserk idiots on the table...we are not Khorne...

You are mental if you don't think the Wolves are Overpowering. Get out your Space Wolf Codex and compare it to the Space Marine Codex for a reality check...Seriously do it and you realise your argument holds no water.

I have been playing this army since you were in diapers..and before...I have seen the reincarnations of my chapter through 5 editions even before they had their own dex...my sons play DA and Ultra smurfs so I know exactly what is in the SM dex...we play on a regular basis so, no compared to the DA and the smurfs my lads are not all powerful as you would see it...so the flaming can cease...

I don't mean to be inflaminatory but 40K needs balance, this makes the Game Playable. With multiple combinations for every army no one should be Invincible or invulnerable, not being able to do certain things or equip certain weapons stops units becoming UBER KILLY or UBER Overpowered. The Space Wolves are definitely a strong force to be reckoned with to demand more options is a little...spoilt?

This, if you read what I wrote, is what I am trying to say...why is it GW can't be more balanced when it comes to production as well as rules?? They seem to have forgotten how to do either...I'm sick of them coming up with their infamous 'flavor of the month' antics and then leaving others to suck hind teet? Let's face it...they have gone down hill since 2nd edition and by proxy we have let them get away with it...

Anyway back on thread.

Warhammer 30k (Like a 28mm version of the old Space Marine Renegade supplement to EPIC 40k!)

I like this idea...but why not go all the way and take it to a complete release for a pre-heresy ruleset

Bottomline Wolves are much better than any vanilla chapter, better statlines, better special rules. This the reason you go to a Tournament and see SM players (SW, SW Crimson Fist, BLood Angels, SW, SW, Dark Angels) there are 5 SW players in my local club alone. You may have been playing since I was in nappies, (quite impressive not sure if this was around in 1980). However SW by far and away have more options and more capabilities than any other SM army. I love scouts, can I have a SW? No. Can you yes! Mine are troops yours are elites (ok there is the draw back) but yours can infilitrate move and Melta Gun vehicles (yes i can but it costs my Sgt a Combi Bolter and i can only go once) and if someone charges them they can counter-charge. So a CC Scout squad with a Melta Gun can cause carnage well beyond their points value. Combine this with other abilities and your army stat line starts going up, Pedro Kantor and Lysander offer unit and army bonuses but the Space Wolves have alot. Grey Hunters are like a Tactical Squad on Acid and make all Vanilla Marines look like they are on Ritalin. Dark Angels have some good rules and Blood angels Dreads + Death company and Mephiston are annoying. But for sheer badass barbarism Space Wolves literally are Uber-powerful, in the hands of a skilled player they are neigh on invulnerable. You cannot have all of their options and the Vanilla Codex options too, it would make them ridiculously tough to beat.

Let us NOT let another thread stray off topic or dissolve into ANOTHER thread hating on Space Wolves.

I'd suggest sticking on topic or instead going to one of the several other threads on the internet that repeats the same sentiments about SW's over and over again...

All codexes and fantasy army books will be updated within 3 years, at the rate of about 2-3 a qtr...

ChocolateGork wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:O emperor No.

then we would see $100 landraiders.

They already exist here in aus.

Yeah, but not here.


take up the $100 Landraiders with your Government. having an Import tax that high is outrageous in a country that doesn't have a whole lot in the Manufacturing dept.

DAMN YOU GOVERMENT!!!!!

Tmonster wrote:Dark Eldar Super Heavy's like duke sliscus main flagship!!, even if it won't fit my house!

Dark Eldar Superheavy:

Please don't attach non wargaming images to Dakka.

And what dark eldar incarnation is that monkey i ask?

Tau Codex after GK, followed by Necrons (See? MEq, Xenos, MEq!) Then the rerelease of BFG or SpaceHulk (Cause... really guys? Spacehulk is like a gateway drug for your main game!)

Fantasy side:
Wood Elves. And Mordheim.

Currently if you want to play vanilla space marines, you're playing chaos... so I want to change that by going back to the 4th ed chaos codex.

I find it strange that the Imperium hates to change their Standard Template Designs yet the Land Raider has how many variants for the imperium? Chaos Lords would be some of the first that would improvise - crap don't have las cannons, lets replace it with something from this demon forge world... etc.

Also since the imperium's technology has declined since the Heresy, why are the normal Space Marine chapters able to access better gear? Our termies have storm shields yours don't. Its that kind of stuff that I look at and think, why wouldn't chaos have more killer gear? Right now they are the army in the worst shape.

Yeah I think we are in the realms of "GW has developed its product line beyond its original canon, So although the imperium has supposedly declined technologically since the Great Crusade, The reality is that they have more diverse sophisticated tech than ever before. I suppose that in the RT era they never imagined that 40K would flourish in the way that it has.

I have to agree on the Chaos Marine front. These guys survived the HH, Istvaan etc and have all the advantages of the Fell powers. They should be alot harder than Vanilla Space Marines special rules (counter charge etc) and in return have limited options (No scouts, no razorbacks, no landspeeders, no LSS, no Techmarine options or Thunderfire cannons, ) and a higher points costs. In return they get daemon hordes as troops, Daemons and above should offer force multipliers to make the units harder open up the Force Chart and all kinds of other Daemon craziness.

If GW were clever (hmmmm....long shot here) they could do a Pre-heresy Marine pack that can double as Pre-heresy Loyalists or with an upgrade sprue pack make a Chaos marine battleforce?

Infact yes, I would release a 20 x Man Pre-heresy plastic Box set for like £30 and then a Chaos Upgrade Sprue set for £XX (heads, pauldrons, skulls, chains, backpacks etc, daemon swords and bolters!). I think this cross army modular structure helps converters and modellers whilst reducing costs as they can do massive productions on a single item that can go across several armies or game systems.

Project "Bring Australia prices down".

People, why does everyone hate Jervis so much, WHY?


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People, why does everyone hate Jervis so much, WHY?

1) Return of the ability to order bitz from Citadel Catalog.
2) Re-release Gorkamorka
3) Alter policy of creating single box skirmish games and then removing all support from them 2 months later and banning them from being played in store.
4) Alter policy of GW staff being forced to ask if you need paint, brushes or glue each time they sell you something. (I have paint, glue and brushes... you know I have paint glue and brushes, you asked me last week when I bought stuff and the week before that...)
5) Re-hire some writers with a sense of humour... anyone who has read Waaargh Orks will know what I mean

Brunius wrote:Project "Bring Australia prices down".

I concur!

Set a release date for all Codex Updates during Christmas with a revised set of rules. That way everything is even again and no more which army is the best because it just came out.