Rumour update "Summer of Flyers"

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**Kanluwen**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:And in art it is depicted AS A SPIKY NIGHTWING. They quite literally are the same aircraft, with the difference being the weaponry they carry.

Look again at the artwork

The only piece of art(at least that I've seen, page 46) illustrates the Ravenwing Jet Fighter from the underside.

It actually is a good reference point, when compared to this:

The Razor's wings are fixed, rather than swing like the Nightwing's. The Razorwing's also got a more pronounced wing profile, that arcs forwards in a 'hook' shape.

The Razorwing pic is a silhouette, how can you tell?

Simply put? Because it's a silhouette

It's relatively easy to distinguish the two, at least to my eyes.

The Razorwing has a more 'brutal' look, knife-like even. The spar that the cockpit would be part of looks to be a bit longer and what's more it seems like the Dark Lances are situated directly under the wings rather than the midline.

In any case, IIRC, the Nightwings wings fit flush against the back (admittedly its been a while since I've last seen my friends Nightwings). Besides that, the issue of a different wing is not enough to prevent a common kit, look at the major differences between some of the newer multi-model fantasy kits. In this case it would be a pretty simple case of an eldar wing and a dark eldar wing.

Yes/no. There's a small gap for the Nightwings' wings when swept back.

However, it's always possible that the reason we won't see a Nightwing/Razorwing combined kit is because the Razorwing already was going to be combined with the Voidraven.

**MechaEmperor7000**

For the record I thought the Razorwing and Nightwing were the same vehicle until I looked it up.

**Kanluwen**

I thought the Razorwing was the 'old' Dark Eldar flyer from Forge World, to be honest.

Then I looked and remembered it was the 'Raven'.

Either way. The Nightwing and Craftworld Eldar stuff have a noticeably different 'feel' than the Dark Eldar stuff.

The codex entry for the Razorwing even has a statement to the effect that "less experienced Guard Commanders mistake the Razorwing for its Craftworld cousin, the Nightwing" then details that it's noticeably different, but looks the same from a distance.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Cerebrium wrote:GW Thunderhawk please. Preferably so I can "Living Daylights" a land raider off it.

possible but not likely, more expect the storm raven to be transferred to all marines and MAYBE marines will get the whirlwind hyperios to deal with aircraft, or if marine players are really lucky the hunter

**Kanluwen**

Uh, what makes you think the "Whirlwind Hyperios" needs a kit?

The Whirlwind as it is pretty much would work as a Hyperios.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

it may not even be a kit, but an expensive add on sprue (somewhere between $15 to $25 seems about GW pricing for something like that) i don't think is out of the question

**VoidAngel**

Sidstyler wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:Well, I don't know about you guys, but hearing about games coming out ahead of time makes me not want to buy them when they're released. I was so excited for Deus Ex 3 when I had no idea it was coming out, and then when the trailer was shown at E3 my excitement instantly died and now I couldn't care less. Definitely haven't had it on my Steam wishlist for months and definitely won't be buying it when it officially comes out. Not at all.

I mean that's the only reason the stormraven is so unpopular after all, because it was leaked too soon. If no one had seen any pictures of it until it was in White Dwarf everyone would have looooved it!

No, the reason people don't looooooooove it is that it's FUGLY. The Caestus looks far better, and for what probably amounts to similar cost - I'll be getting one of those. Actually, I'll just finish my kit-based Stormraven from before we had a clue what it was going to look like.

Someone doesn't get sarcasm.

The caestus does not look better, btw. It's just as ugly, couldn't hold 12 Marines, and couldn't "realistically fly", either.

Meh. Fugly is in the eye of the beholder. And there's an old saying in the aeronautics industry - with enough thrust, a brick will fly!

**Sidstyler**

Tell that to the people criticizing the stormraven design, lol.

**HoverBoy**

With the thrust needed to lift that thing you culd just strap some engines to a land raider and have it fly... oh wait, nevermind.

**The Dreadnote**

I see what you did there

**Dark Scipio**

I wonder if we will see some AA units, like the Hunter, too.

**HoverBoy**

You mean like the rumored IG hydra?

**ChrisWWII**

If they start making flyers an integral part of the 40k ruleset, they better be ready to introduce more AA.

**HoverBoy**

IG allways get da best guns

**Tmonster**

Kanluwen wrote:I thought the Razorwing was the 'old' Dark Eldar flyer from Forge World, to be honest.

Then I looked and remembered it was the 'Raven'.

Either way. The Nightwing and Craftworld Eldar stuff have a noticeably different 'feel' than the Dark Eldar stuff.

The codex entry for the Razorwing even has a statement to the effect that "less experienced Guard Commanders mistake the Razorwing for its Craftworld cousin, the Nightwing" then details that it's noticeably different, but looks the same from a distance.

There was also a forgeworld flyer called the razorwing which was essentially two ravens fit together.

**Breotan**

I don't know about that but the current FW Raven looks like one of the old Reaver Jet Bikes with wings and an additional pair of guns. Really aweful. One of their worst models. It looks like something from the old 60's Batman TV show.

**Tmonster**

http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/kahrandhil666/warhammer%252040K/update1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php%3Ftopic%3D192841.0&usg=__YcJ6B7OxVSe8OGmPdxaQj-ZbcTI=&h=800&w=797&sz=131&hl=nl&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Hp6mIXr0JgXlTM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=149&ei=dERtTZTyEc6ChQf9k7CRDA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddark%2Beldar%2Brazorwing%2Band%2Braven%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1602%26bih%3D931%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1206&vpy=70&dur=558&hovh=225&hovw=224&tx=104&ty=103&oei=dERtTZTyEc6ChQf9k7CRDA&page=1&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0

Just a link to a foto with an old raider a raven a razorwing and an old jetbike

**Alpharius**

This thread just won't die!

I really do hope there's some truth to... some of this!

**BrassScorpion**

Alpharius wrote:This thread just won't die! I really do hope there's some truth to... some of this!

I was thinking exactly the same thing earlier today when I saw another post in here. And I'll second that sentiment, even though we've got little to go on at this point I hope some of it turns out to be "for realsies". Actually, something someone with contacts said to me earlier this winter gives me some real hope we will be seeing something like this, though what the final form will take I cannot say. I'm guessing at best it's now really close to being like Spearhead, which is to say just two or three new models and a variant rules set.

**BrassScorpion**

I make absolutely no claims regarding the veracity of this post from the BoLS Lounge, the word "hearsay" is even misspelled in it, but I thought I'd toss it into the rumor pot here as long as this thread is "the thing that wouldn't die".

Enjoy...

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=13695%22

So I know there's bit a bit of a hush hush about this recently, but I picked up a relatively juicy bit of info yesterday from an industry insider (sculptor, daemon and slayer sword winner, friends with nearly all of GWs design team)-- I'm not going to say who-- that a Plastic Thunderhawk is looking promising for this summer.

He didn't know if they'd have it finished, but they've been working on it.

Again, this is merely heresay, though the information and source is about as close to the GW design team as an outsider can be.

**MajorTom11**

I dub thee 'Necrothread of everliving rumours'

Plastic Thawk just doesnt seem like the kind of thing they could keep under wraps... would be awesome though -

**Alpharius**

Ah, the old 'plastic Thunderhawk' chestnut...

That's the only rumor harder to kill than this rumor thread!

**BrookM**

I don't know about that one, I keep hearing these things about Dark Eldar finally coming around..

**Kanluwen**

MajorTom11 wrote:I dub thee 'Necrothread of everliving rumours'

Plastic Thawk just doesnt seem like the kind of thing they could keep under wraps... would be awesome though -

The honking huge giant Goblin Spider begs to differ about 'the kind of thing they could keep under wraps'

**MajorTom11**

We heard about that ages ago! It was no surprise to me at all lol

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Breotan wrote:I don't know about that but the current FW Raven looks like one of the old Reaver Jet Bikes with wings and an additional pair of guns. Really aweful. One of their worst models. It looks like something from the old 60's Batman TV show.

meh, we're all entitled to our own opinions i guess but i like it

**Kanluwen**

MajorTom11 wrote:We heard about that ages ago! It was no surprise to me at all lol

We heard about it, but we never saw it.

'Twas the point I was making Tom!

**Kirasu**

Plastic thunderhawk makes a lot more sense if you buy a FW one. You'll then realize how awful, old and damaged their molds are getting

Might be a way to just replace the resin molds without simply remaking them

Also on the subject of FW, I think they should issue a public apology for that DE flier which was indeed simply 2 jetbikes smashed together

**Kanluwen**

Forge World apologizes to no one!

...Except me, because I seriously must be funding their Xenos lines single-handedly in upgrading my Cadians :-/

**Alpharius**

Kanluwen wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:We heard about that ages ago! It was no surprise to me at all lol

We heard about it, but we never saw it.

'Twas the point I was making Tom!

"'Twas"?

WTF?

Plastic Thunderhawks are the freakin' Jeresy Devil/Bigfoot/Chupacabra/Chullachaqui/Abominable Snowman/etc. of the GW rumor world...