Rumour update "Summer of Flyers"

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**Kirasu**

All I gotta say is..Since Duke Nukem forever is coming out then anything is possible

**Alpharius**

Kirasu wrote:All I gotta say is..Since Duke Nukem forever is coming out then anything is possible

THAT is a very good point!

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:We heard about that ages ago! It was no surprise to me at all lol

We heard about it, but we never saw it.

'Twas the point I was making Tom!

"'Twas"?

WTF?

Plastic Thunderhawks are the freakin' Jeresy Devil/Bigfoot/Chupacabra/Chullachaqui/Abominable Snowman/etc. of the GW rumor world...

No, plastic Dark Eldar were

And look, we caught them!

**MajorTom11**

I dunno, the spider rumors were substantial and from multiple sources and stated as certainty's from all of them. I never once though 'ya right theyll make a giant spider... maybe in 10 years' lol

I dunno, different tone of rumor to me, less 'wishy'. I still call plastic Thunderhawk and Warhound as Chupacabra class rumoring, but I would be most happy to be proven wrong!

**Kanluwen**

I call plastic Thunderhawk/Warhound as far more likely than most people think.

The molds have gotten old and worn out--just simply from the fact that they are big sellers. It's pretty much a guaranteed win if they release those two kits in plastic.

The Thunderhawk is used by both Chaos and Loyalists, with Chaos even using the same equipment on them. The only thing they'd need is alternate door symbols.

**MajorTom11**

Put a timeframe on your predictions, then things will be interesting!

**Kanluwen**

Why? I don't have an inside track or anything. I'm just guesstimating.

However, if I had to put down a real timeframe?

I'd say Thunderhawk this year for the 'Summer of Flyers', Warhound with an 'Updated Apocalypse' expansion.

**Melkhiordarkblade**

Well at the end of the day,all I care about is there might be a new Chaos model.

**BrookM**

The big question is, can I justify getting a T-hawk model? How can I, a non-Marine player press it into service? Looks like Rogue Trader is the perfect excuse yet again.

**Kanluwen**

BrookM wrote:The big question is, can I justify getting a T-hawk model? How can I, a non-Marine player press it into service? Looks like Rogue Trader is the perfect excuse yet again.

Nah. You don't even have to go that far...

The Inquisition maintains fleets of Thunderhawks...

**agnosto**

slap a railgun or two on it and call I can call it a Gue'vesa vehicle...

**BrookM**

I said Rogue Trader, not Dark Heresy.

**shrike**

How much would a plastic GW TH cost? £200?
I doubt it, though. Apparently the highlight of the SOF is the stormraven, and if a TH was made, THAT would definitely be the highlight.
Shrike remains hopeful yet doubtful.

**Alpharius**

shrike wrote:How much would a plastic GW TH cost? £200?
I doubt it, though. Apparently the highlight of the SOF is the stormraven, and if a TH was made, THAT would definitely be the highlight.
Shrike remains hopeful yet doubtful.

Shrike should not talk about himself in the third person...

As for pricing, I'm thinking GW won't go above US$199, and probably would want to be closer to $149.

**MajorTom11**

Kanluwen wrote:Why? I don't have an inside track or anything. I'm just guesstimating.

However, if I had to put down a real timeframe?

I'd say Thunderhawk this year for the 'Summer of Flyers', Warhound with an 'Updated Apocalypse' expansion.

Summer eh? Ballsy guesstimate son, very ballsy!

I hope you are right!

Although the StormRaven seems like a touch of a waste if they were just going to introduce the t-hawk 4 months later...

**Kanluwen**

BrookM wrote:I said Rogue Trader, not Dark Heresy.

My bad, I thought you were trying to come up with a way to use 'em in 40k.

But it could definitely work for Rogue Trader.

Shrike wrote:How much would a plastic GW TH cost? £200?
I doubt it, though. Apparently the highlight of the SOF is the stormraven, and if a TH was made, THAT would definitely be the highlight.
Shrike remains hopeful yet doubtful.

Yeah...because the highlight of the Summer of Flyers...was released in the Winter.

Considering we've gotten no "official" mention of it yet, there's still plenty of time to laud the Thunderhawk.

**BrassScorpion**

Clap your hands in unison and like Tinkerbell, the Thunderhawk will live...or at least the rumor about it will continue to live.

I'd love one. I don't know where I'd keep a model that large, I already have trouble with all my Baneblades and now Stompas too, but I'd definitely get a Thunderhawk or two.

**Kanluwen**

MajorTom11 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Why? I don't have an inside track or anything. I'm just guesstimating.

However, if I had to put down a real timeframe?

I'd say Thunderhawk this year for the 'Summer of Flyers', Warhound with an 'Updated Apocalypse' expansion.

Summer eh? Ballsy guesstimate son, very ballsy!

I hope you are right!

Warhound, bear in mind, I give no guesstimate on. Just something that it'd be tied to release with

But yeah. The Thunderhawk would definitely be something I could see released with this supposed 'Summer of Flyers'.

Although the StormRaven seems like a touch of a waste if they were just going to introduce the t-hawk 4 months later...

See, I don't think it's a waste. It's a Codex model, and it definitely seems that since the Tyranid Codex and the reaction that players gave to having to convert some of the 'bigger options', that there's now going to be a priority to make models for things that aren't necessarily going to be a 'one-off character' within an army.

Besides that:
The Stormraven is something that's small enough to be introduced as a kind of counterpart to the Valkyrie. Any bigger and it would steal the Thunderhawk's...well, thunder.

The Thunderhawk is a superheavy--while the Stormraven is in a weight class that allows it to be fielded for 'normal' 40k games. There's a big difference just for that simple reasoning, I think. Add to it that releasing the Thunderhawk would effectively cater to both Loyalist and Chaos players--you've definitely got something that could be selling big numbers.

**Kirasu**

It would also cater to the addicts who buy cool models with no intention of even putting it together or playing with it

**Praxiss**

Plastic t-haw woudl be nice......can't se it workgin in a Chaos army fluff-wise though (willign to be proved wrong obviously).

Now a plactic Warhound...... all my IW just jumped for joy.

**Kanluwen**

Praxiss wrote:Plastic t-haw woudl be nice......can't see it working in a Chaos army fluff-wise though (willing to be proved wrong obviously).

Thunderhawks are, essentially, "mass-produced". Every Legion was in the process of being issued huge numbers of them to replace Stormbirds during the Horus Heresy.

Add to it that, much like Rhinos, they're rugged craft that are simple to repair and you've got a recipe for something that Chaos would love to get their hands on.

**lord_blackfang**

Kirasu wrote:It would also cater to the addicts who buy cool models with no intention of even putting it together or playing with it

Come on now, we always have the intention of doing it

**chaos0xomega**

MajorTom11 wrote:I dunno, the spider rumors were substantial and from multiple sources and stated as certainty's from all of them. I never once though 'ya right theyll make a giant spider... maybe in 10 years' lol

I dunno, different tone of rumor to me, less 'wishy'. I still call plastic Thunderhawk and Warhound as Chupacabra class rumoring, but I would be most happy to be proven wrong!

While I agree w/ you about the Chupacabra point, I will point out that there were a lot of people that didn't initially believe the giant spider rumors, even after 'sneak peeks' were seen in various publications.

I call plastic Thunderhawk/Warhound as far more likely than most people think.

The molds have gotten old and worn out--just simply from the fact that they are big sellers. It's pretty much a guaranteed win if they release those two kits in plastic.

The Thunderhawk is used by both Chaos and Loyalists, with Chaos even using the same equipment on them. The only thing they'd need is alternate door symbols.

Resin molds for each of those kits would only cost a couple thousand dollars each, max (much less, in the magnitude of only a couple hundred dollars, if they do it themselves). Compare this to about 100,000+ dollars for each set of plastic molds.

**lord_blackfang**

Here's some more tripe/gospel (take your pick) to fight over.

Stickmonkey wrote:Some updates.

First, let me apologize for being dark. I have been negotiating a carreer move and it looks like it will happen. More on that down the road. But I am looking for a home in Texas...yee haw, back to the states.

To the business at hand, this is what I know.

The "summer of flyers" (again, temper this name, it's not much more than spearhead was) article in wd if it happens will be an apoc expansion...not basic game. To include formations, special strategies, etc. About what anyone would expect.

The specific plastics for the wave release passed QA. Yeah! And include the following

Ig hydra
De r-wing
Ork copta
Nid harpy
There may be a few other surprises. It is apoc after all.

However, no one seems to be certain if these items will be released together as a wave right now. There is a lot of back and forth as to how best to put them out...flyer related dump, or wait and do army based updates, meaning a ig wave, a de wave, etc. There is strong desire to complete the de models before the next codex release after GK. I don't think it's possible based on where some of the outstanding models are in the process...and what has to be done for that codex. Only so many people to do the work. You can't put 3 women together and get a baby in 3 months, right?

No craft world eldar models will be included here. And there is a reason for it, but I can't go into it yet. And no codex on immediate horizon, to keep people from getting excited...

Also, the de void flyer will not make a summer debut...its a big model...comparatively, and there are other challenges facing it...but it is coming eventually, hopefully before fall.

My information comes direct this time, but the decisions about what and when to release things I am not privy to...wd will already be set in stone by now and so someone(s) already knows what is and isn't happening in this, just not I...

Cheers. Hopefully this is more exact information certain individuals want to see. But as always, subject to change.

**shrike**

Stickmonkey wrote:Some updates.

First, let me apologize for being dark. I have been negotiating a carreer move and it looks like it will happen. More on that down the road. But I am looking for a home in Texas...yee haw, back to the states.

To the business at hand, this is what I know.
...
There may be a few other surprises.
...
However, no one seems to be certain if these items will be released together.
...
There is a lot of back and forth
...
I don't think
...
I can't go into it yet.
...
hopefully
...
decisions about what and when to release things I am not privy to
...
knows what is and isn't happening in this, just not I...
...
Hopefully this is more exact information certain individuals want to see. But as always, subject to change.

yep, quite precise.
I know I cut it a load, but from what I've heard stickmonkey is about as reliable as the warp.

**Alpharius**

Ragging on stickmonkey will soon be an Olympic Sport...

**MajorTom11**

Lol, gotta love it though!

Villagers rant - 'WHERE ARE ZEE RUMAHS!?!?!?'

Unsuspecting Innocent/ Evil Mastermind submits rumours

Villagers rant - 'WE NO LIKES DEEZ RUMAHS! YOU MAKE THE LIES AND THE FAKES!'

Exciting hilarity ensues as villagers proceed to chase rumor poster benny-hill style through the streets, torches in one hand, vitriol in their mouths, hate in their hearts and still warm human poop ready for launch in the other hand.

P.s I have Tiger Blood.

**shrike**

Alpharius wrote:Ragging on stickmonkey will soon be an Olympic Sport...

You mean it isn't already?!

**Death By Monkeys**

Stickmonkey wrote:No craft world eldar models will be included here. And there is a reason for it, but I can't go into it yet. And no codex on immediate horizon, to keep people from getting excited...

Craftworld Eldar being Squatted! You heard it here first!

Glad to hear we'll finally be getting some plastic hydras. Bout friggin' time.

**Kanluwen**

chaos0xomega wrote:

I call plastic Thunderhawk/Warhound as far more likely than most people think.

The molds have gotten old and worn out--just simply from the fact that they are big sellers. It's pretty much a guaranteed win if they release those two kits in plastic.

The Thunderhawk is used by both Chaos and Loyalists, with Chaos even using the same equipment on them. The only thing they'd need is alternate door symbols.

Resin molds for each of those kits would only cost a couple thousand dollars each, max (much less, in the magnitude of only a couple hundred dollars, if they do it themselves). Compare this to about 100,000+ dollars for each set of plastic molds.

While resin molds for each of those kits would be cheaper--plastic versions would be a good idea. Warhounds and Thunderhawks are two of the most popular pieces from Forge World, and having plastic versions makes the same amount of sense that they used in making the Valkyrie, Skyray, and Piranhas plastic.