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**Revenent Reiko**

You definitely did a great job with the objective marker Knightley!
i would love to see you take a crack at OSL, but totally understand re-painting all your models again. Maybe (if it works the way you want it to of cors) use it to pick out certain models? Like your HQ units only or something? just a thought.
EDIT:O and yeah i meant the bits of the armour which are kind if 'built in', like where it has rivet marks or something on the thigh plates. So, Boltgun metal and Badab black, Cheers man! never worry about doing it the way you've been taught, if it aint broke, dont fix it

**Knightley**

Yes! page 7!

Cheers Rev. - The detail on the thigh plates, like the sunk in lines? that's just a foundation grey with badab black wash. not much to it, the contrast which makes it stand out is the fortress grey on either side, it makes it look darker than it really is. the joints are the Boltgun metal with badab black wash. I will see what I can do with OSL on a test model and if it works well I might put it on Draigo being the head of the force. then look at filtering it down to the captains.

Update, Grey plates done on the next three. No that much to look at for the moment, I *should* have these guys done by the weekend, then I can work on the attack bike and the Paladin Terminator

**Revenent Reiko**

Knightley wrote:Yes! page 7!

your welcome. Yeah thats what i meant, cant believe its so simple

**TheChronoTrigger**

You work so quickly i can't keep up. I still feel you should give OSL a shot. DO you have that many models that youd have to go back?

**Knightley**

I have a fair few, This weekend I'll take them all out and do a large group shot (well it might not seem that large in hindsight)
I don't know if I'm working fast but I work constantly, I get about an hour and a half painting a night, except on Thursday's when my partner is doing studies at university so I have the entire night to paint - coincidentally that's tonight

Opinion time: I've had an idea sitting in my head about the Paladin Terminators and I'd like to get some feedback on it.

Currently the army has a Fortress Grey look about it, there are some small pockets of Red (Techmarines) Black (Term Chaplain) and Blue (Term Libby). I am wondering if on the Paladins I take the armour from the Dark Grey base coat and only bring it up to Codex Grey, give that an edge highlight or Fortress Grey and a top highlight of Spacewolf Grey, I'd still keep the Blue weapon blades and Red weapon housings. What do you all have to say?

**Markillius08**

Knightley wrote:I have a fair few, This weekend I'll take them all out and do a large group shot (well it might not seem that large in hindsight)
I don't know if I'm working fast but I work constantly, I get about an hour and a half painting a night, except on Thursday's when my partner is doing studies at university so I have the entire night to paint - coincidentally that's tonight

Opinion time: I've had an idea sitting in my head about the Paladin Terminators and I'd like to get some feedback on it.

Currently the army has a Fortress Grey look about it, there are some small pockets of Red (Techmarines) Black (Term Chaplain) and Blue (Term Libby). I am wondering if on the Paladins I take the armour from the Dark Grey base coat and only bring it up to Codex Grey, give that an edge highlight or Fortress Grey and a top highlight of Spacewolf Grey, I'd still keep the Blue weapon blades and Red weapon housings. What do you all have to say?

Personally, I think it's ALWAYS a good idea to somehow set off different units, whether it be with base edges or actual color schemes.

I'd say go for it, atleast on one to see if you like it. My personal preference is the classic scheme, but to put it in perspective i plan on washing my paladins with red wash versus the standard blue. I say paint them however you like and then change it to make it better.
If at first you don't succeed, call and audible and try again. Oh, and in case I haven't said it yet, big fan of yours, like what you're doing with the GK's. Inspiring to see how much you get done, especially since I'm working on my own GK army as well. Hope to see your Paladins real soon!

**Knightley**

Totally agree with you on this one!

It's why I added Black face plates to the interceptors, also why I kit based the snotlings out of the normal tac marines. I'll have to come up with a change to the "Devastators/Purgitators" to set them apart as well, perhaps red face plates to match the large weapons which will be red as well?

Your take on a Red wash over the silver armour could be very interesting to see so I'll keep an eye on your blog to await your posts

Also big thanks for offering your advice/comments as well.

**TheChronoTrigger**

Idk if one shade of grey up will look. I feel it may look more like a mistake than a change. What about a different color? Like white? or red? I think White would look nice as palidins are the holiest and purest of warriors.

**Knightley**

True,

Whites a right pain to paint through

What I might do is give the helms a bone look, perhaps green eyes, with that combined with the darker grey might give a stark enough contrast for it to look semi decent.

Red might make them look to much like my Techmarines, but it could look pretty cool. I've seen Soultang's Red GK's and I like the look of them combined with the blue swords.

**Revenent Reiko**

The lighter colour scheme is an excellent idea!(or white for that matter)
and yes the Purifiers squad having matching faceplates and weapon housings would be epic too, good thoughts Knightley.

**Markillius08**

Another Idea to set apart your Purigation Squad (not sure if you've purchased models for it yet) that I think would look great would be if you bashed some of the Legion of the Damned models.

Or Greenstuffed flames. My thing with the purigation squad is that - in my mind mind you - they are the roid rage version of the purifiers. Slower paced, just decimating everything. So for me darker color for them would be great.

I haven't thought of using purgation units, but another idea would be to utilize a dark purpleish color somewhere since purple was traditionally a regal color. But again, I can honestly say I struggle to think abstract to the traditional GK's. They were the reason I started playing haha.

**Knightley**

@Rev. Reiko - Oooooh White helms with white weapon housings, I hadn't even considered that! Might give them a bash for the next push (including the battle cannon pred/razorback) I wonder if having white in light grey could end up being lost as the colours are too similar? hmm, I could have the same dark grey from the Paladins with white helms, and the Paladins could have a dark bone colour (or even a light bone)

@Markillius08 - re the Purgitation squad, I have 2 boxes of PAGK's one is going to be for my Purifiers, the other was going to be for the Purgitation squad with the remainder of the CC weapons kit bashed in to the next tac squad, I do like the Idea of the LoD models for them, My concern is the fire motif might get confused with the purifier motif which is also based around fire. I feel I will have to think on it and hope that the new fine cast range will include LoD models for me before I commit to it.

I do like the idea of purple however, I reckon a liberal wash of Badab Black could make it quite regal as well, of course I would then have to try get more purple into the force to justify it, more thinking will be required I think.

Ok, how about the 'Elite' choices having the dark grey armour (providing it looks ok) with light colour on the helms (in this case white for purifiers and bone for Paladins) I don't currently have the codex on me but are there any other elite choices they can have?

**Markillius08**

Knightley wrote:@Rev. Reiko - Oooooh White helms with white weapon housings, I hadn't even considered that! Might give them a bash for the next push (including the battle cannon pred/razorback) I wonder if having white in light grey could end up being lost as the colours are too similar? hmm, I could have the same dark grey from the Paladins with white helms, and the Paladins could have a dark bone colour (or even a light bone)

@Markillius08 - re the Purgitation squad, I have 2 boxes of PAGK's one is going to be for my Purifiers, the other was going to be for the Purgitation squad with the remainder of the CC weapons kit bashed in to the next tac squad, I do like the Idea of the LoD models for them, My concern is the fire motif might get confused with the purifier motif which is also based around fire. I feel I will have to think on it and hope that the new fine cast range will include LoD models for me before I commit to it.

I do like the idea of purple however, I reckon a liberal wash of Badab Black could make it quite regal as well, of course I would then have to try get more purple into the force to justify it, more thinking will be required I think.

Ok, how about the 'Elite' choices having the dark grey armour (providing it looks ok) with light colour on the helms (in this case white for purifiers and bone for Paladins) I don't currently have the codex on me but are there any other elite choices they can have?

The Elite choices are as follows:

Techmarine
Purifier
Venerable Dreadnought
Paladin Squads
Assassins
Warbands

That's it. Also, just completed my first Purifier Body - Head WiP to be Started/Completed tomorrow(ish)?

Also, Check out the pics on my blog - I used multiple colors for the seals (as i'm sure they wouldn't ALL be red - and I think it will be easy to tie the color in in other squads and units.

**Knightley**

Cheers Markillius, quite a few on the elite choice list. I may leave my Ven. Dread as Fortress grey as I put quite a bit of time into him and a repaint doesn't entice me enough to make him darker, the other ones make sense though, I have a vindicare which needs a trip to Mr S. Green and a repaint and I'm not about to get warband's so I could very well do elites as the Dark Grey. sounds like a plan.

I had a look at both of your Sig blog links but couldn't see any updates, is there another place you're updating?

**Markillius08**

Knightley wrote:Cheers Markillius, quite a few on the elite choice list. I may leave my Ven. Dread as Fortress grey as I put quite a bit of time into him and a repaint doesn't entice me enough to make him darker, the other ones make sense though, I have a vindicare which needs a trip to Mr S. Green and a repaint and I'm not about to get warband's so I could very well do elites as the Dark Grey. sounds like a plan.

I had a look at both of your Sig blog links but couldn't see any updates, is there another place you're updating?

Lol yeah, bout that....... It's tough to keep up with a dedicated blog when you're struggling to put stuff up on Dakka. This is the ACTUAL new blog. Has a LOT more stuff done by comparison.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/351469.page

Been seriously considering hiring someone to update my blog for me or to just do away with it for good in lieu of Dakka. Lol that's also up for advice. Cheers!

**Knightley**

Cool, I've offered comment on it. Whats funny is I had subbed to it a while back but I your login name didn't register as one of the ones I frequent.

If you're after advice on blogging, Gits would be your man to talk to, his blog is a monster so he's doing something right

With that in mind, I am quite the Dakka advocate I'd bin your external blog and just use Dakka as your home

course that's just my advice.

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Bad news...

My camera just made a small pop... the LED screen went black, then the lens started to retract, it stopped half way through now nothing works.

Looks like its time for an upgrade this weekend.

**Revenent Reiko**

Bad times with the camera (an excuse for an upgrade is always welcome though

), hope you get it fixed.
Having all the Elites (minus the Ven Dread because he looks excellent as is) all having the Dark Grey colour scheme would look really good, with the varying helms to differentiate them. Glad you liked my idea, but boy you ran with it! The bone colour would be brilliant on the Paladins, but i know what yuo mean about the colours blending in. Test model time again?

@Markillius, yes Gitsplitta is definitely the man to talk to about keeping a blog on the go (his Mantis Warrior blog is ~156 pages and counting! plus he has 3 others on the go :S), and being another Dakka disciple, i would advocate having your Dakka blog your main one (its always easier keeping things in one place, and if you are logged in and posting already, the blog would be right there

). Hope that helps.

**Markillius08**

@Revenent & Knightly - Yeah, pretty sure Dakka's the way to go, specially since I'm not a big name (would be tough to run a blog and have people look at it without anyone knowing about it).

Also, here's a question I wanted to run by you guys - Sorry knightly for jacking your thread.... =D

I was thinking about the dark color scheme for elites and I was wondering what you guys would think of doing paladins in the mythril silver, and doing thin washes of black until it's a darker, almost mat black what still has that shimmer behind it? Either that or could be done for mordraks ghost knights. But personally, the ghost knights I plan on doing will be done ala LoTR - thank you crazy awesome ghostly green ghost army!

**Revenent Reiko**

Knightley: high-five for the Dakka conversion *raises hand*

Markillius, congrats for making the transition (if you decide to in the end), Dakka is great for P&M blogs an support while you are doing them.
I have to admit that im not the best person to ask in all matters painting, i just know when i see something i like. Your idea does sound good though, so long as the silvery sheen does still come through. The ghosts idea is excellent

**Knightley**

All good on the OT I wont have any pictures till this weekend anyway.

@rev. Reiko - Fist bump ftw another regular for the flock

Question:

Are you looking to have dark silver with the central colour being brighter than normal?

The reason I ask is that Mithril is the shinyest/shiniest/shiny est of the GW metals, of your wanting to go dark by all means go Mithril and wash with a couple of coats, I suspect the effect that you will end up with is a (forgive this confusion) bright dark colour. My advice would be use a spare piece of arm from a PAGK box (so many bits spare...) and give it a try, you'll quickly see if it works well or not.

I'm not sure if this would work. What about having Mithril Silver heavily watered down then mix in Badab black in to it so that you still get the darkening quality of the wash, but has the light silver specks as well. I wonder if it would work.

**Markillius08**

@ Knightly - The idea is from this mans blog:

http://metcalfedan.webs.com/howtomakemetallica.htm

I've done random bits before this way, and it gets that end result matte-black metal color really well. But the problem for me is that it's TOO matte.

The plan was to do it that way, and then uber, i mean UUUUUUUUBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR thin down mythril silver, to where it's basically 0/100 parts paint to water - then just gently wash the model repeatedly. This shouldn't cover up the black/metal look, but should add a bit of top layer sheen here and there, just a tad.

The Idea in my head is to end it looking as similar to those sexy black stingrays, or any nice car really, that has that smooth, flat yet glossy black paint job. The kind that when you look at it it looks like it's behind a half an inch of thin glass, but reflects really well.

My end hope would be that same effect - reflective shine + metalic undertone.

Also gonna try my hand at finishing up Janua's head and power weapon tonight. Should be interesting haha.

PS: I have no idea how to do it, but i really want to make theghost knights look like their being held together by sheer power - kinda do a rust thing with them but make it so there's blue emanating from between the armor plates or just plain old light. Yeah for drybrushing!

**dantay_xv**

Why not paint as you sid but try a thin coat of gloss over the top, to give it a shiny sheen

**Markillius08**

dantay_xv wrote:Why not paint as you sid but try a thin coat of gloss over the top, to give it a shiny sheen

Could work, only thing is that I don't want them to be too shiny. Rather, i'd like the light to just pick up those few flecks over the top coat to make it have a dark metal tone, but the occasional fleck of shine to show that it's bright.

Lol that and i've never found a gloss i liked.

**dantay_xv**

So you gonna go for a black/silver mix and gradually add mithril for highlights, or edge highlight?

**Markillius08**

Probably no high lights. After several coats of even that thin of a wash, it will pool in recesses and give a lil more of that scattered glean i'm wanting.

But nothings set in stone. I'm an avid fan of trial and error, because I've liked something, seen something else to try, and (i'm being serious) 28 variations and restarts later, BAM! perfect.

**Knightley**

Very interesting read on that gentleman's blog I'd not thought about doing it like that only using washes to shade.

Going off of that idea, what about trying your mordrak's guard as a mix of Mithril Silver with Scorpion Green perhaps 1 to 1 mix, then shade with Thrakka green? you could then pick up the highlights with white to give it a more ghostly appearance.

My trial and error isn't as in depth as yours is Markillus I will use a couple of test arm's for trial on colour schemes. I did this with my first GK test scheme - Black armour with dark purple highlights, it looked awesome however I had a Black/Grey Tau force and a Black/White Eldar force and another Black/enter colour here force wasn't really going to test my skills at all

**dantay_xv**

Okay, last suggestion, boltgun base, highlight with chainmail or mithril, then black wash, you keep th sheen and also get some definition on the armour plates.

Do you plan on using gold for the text or keep it muted?

**Markillius08**

Would be gold, but probably not the exact same as the other units. Same general color, but more washing with gryphon sepia to dull it down a bit. also may use less in the mixing of certian colors. Again, love that trial and error!

@Knightly - Sounds interesting. Also, You are talented sir - three armies! I can barely work on 1 ahah.

**dantay_xv**

Hmmm..... black ink would do the badab black but also keep the shine of polished plates, shame they stopped making it.

**Knightley**

@Markillus - They aren't large armies and I have more than 3 armies. Lucky I had uploaded these before the camera blew out.

Dark Angel's

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Ultra's

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Eldar

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Tau

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If you guys want the model list I'm happy to post that as well