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First off, I absolutely know there'll be people telling you not to go with the 'ard Case. I won't be one of them. I love 'Ard Case, and honestly, unless you're making a BurnaWagon or filling it with Shootaboyz or Lootaz as a mobile Bunker, you're not gonna be doing much shooting out of it, and those free pivots you get mean you can always turn it so a side or the back will be towards what you want to assault. Only thing is, you can't assault out of a non-open topped vehicle... But anyways.

I'm trying out a bit of an odd version of a BW myself, a sort of CC tooled up wagon, with Ard Case, Deffrolla, WRekkin ball, Plank and Grabbin Klaw. YOu could try something similar, but even if you don't... Put on some extra Armour, maybe make some magnetized Grots or plates or something for those additional bits of wargear. If you're going 'ard Case, get a boarding plank. No Stikkbomb chukkas, since you won't be assaulting out of it. Grabbin klaw might be useful, keep other Vehicles there if you want to pile out your Nobz, Meganobz or SC to assault something, as it effectively immobilizes it for that turn you need to get out to assault. Stick on some Big Shootas or Rokkits, and maybe a Kannon, or just a place for a turret.

Thats some serious conversion work there, bigfish. You got some skills.

HAZZER wrote:Stompa looks a hole lot better!(And sweet too)!
Army list sounds good!If you need tatica help or something post a help thing onto the tatica bit on Dakka.

i decided not to post and just too look, seems like everyone has a different amazing tactic which makes the tactical comment before it look silly. but i read through and it seems a lot of people write lists to have battle wagons slot into different specific roles, and unless you have the rest of the list they have wrote the battle wagon just is'nt as effective.
thanks though. btw saw your thread on it and tbh get what you like and make it how you want, whats the point of having a amzing super competive army list if you dont like the units in it.
go with what you like untill you get to a stage where you have enough models to pick and choose from the stuff you have to make a competitive list.... (that way you have a shed load more models as well )

DamienOfTheWRAAAGH wrote:YEAY update!!
Big cant wait to see what you do with it, but tactic whise I can't help ya I don't play (yet)

it will defo be big mate. And the way things are going on your thread i think you will be soon lol

Anvildude wrote:First off, I absolutely know there'll be people telling you not to go with the 'ard Case. I won't be one of them. I love 'Ard Case, and honestly, unless you're making a BurnaWagon or filling it with Shootaboyz or Lootaz as a mobile Bunker, you're not gonna be doing much shooting out of it, and those free pivots you get mean you can always turn it so a side or the back will be towards what you want to assault. Only thing is, you can't assault out of a non-open topped vehicle... But anyways.

I'm trying out a bit of an odd version of a BW myself, a sort of CC tooled up wagon, with Ard Case, Deffrolla, WRekkin ball, Plank and Grabbin Klaw. YOu could try something similar, but even if you don't... Put on some extra Armour, maybe make some magnetized Grots or plates or something for those additional bits of wargear. If you're going 'ard Case, get a boarding plank. No Stikkbomb chukkas, since you won't be assaulting out of it. Grabbin klaw might be useful, keep other Vehicles there if you want to pile out your Nobz, Meganobz or SC to assault something, as it effectively immobilizes it for that turn you need to get out to assault. Stick on some Big Shootas or Rokkits, and maybe a Kannon, or just a place for a turret.

Right, its carrying a mob of "19 shooter boyz with bospole and 1 rokits, with a big mek with KFF ,burna , heavy armour, and cybork body" so if i had a boarding plank it would be useless because none of them can actually pen the armour at the mo (although this could be changed?) and considering im getting d6 auto hits on w/e im tank shocking anyway (do you get the extra d6 if you tank shock a tank?) do they really need the plank for the extra 3 that will probs hit on 6's because the tank has moved 12". im just not sure if it is worth it, i can see if you tool it up to be a CC wagon how effective it can be but i mainly play against NIDs so the boarding plank and grabbin claw would again not work :/. wrecking ball though i will look into but again you cant use it if it has gone 12" :/
wat i was thinking tactically was to have it drive up into the enemys lines and unload the shootaboy and mek. at this point the wagon will still be close enough to get the 4+ save from the kff and the boys will be able to shoot off their shooters into what ever target i was aiming for. Then next turn if the wagon is still alive it will roll around crushing tanks and infanytary and cause a mess of the battle line whilst the mek and his boys combat it up.
but then at the same time i am thinking modeling wise how i could do a grabbin claw and wreaking ball?
i think i will get the base for the tank done and set it up like this:
deff rolla
grot riggers
armour plates
ard case
and then see what i am thinking. i am quite liking what you said about having a big gun on it like a kannon and i have the parts, but i was saving them for a battle fortress i am planning but i guess if i made them detachable it would'nt be a problem.
anyway thanks, you've given me some stuff to thinks about.

Oh and whats your oppinion on kilkannons?

40kFSU wrote:Thats some serious conversion work there, bigfish. You got some skills.

thanks man

Well, the deal with '12 inches, can't use' on Wrekkin balls is kinda moot on Battlewagons, 'cause they can't actually go faster than 12" a turn. Remember, rPJ means they go 13, but act as though they're goin' 12. That Str. 9 hit against anything within 2" that's not in combat could be useful. Though don't make the mistake I did and model your Wrekkin' ball so small it can't hit things on the other side of the Wagon.


Personally, I love Killkannons. Now, that might just be because I've never played a Boomwagon before, but I love having a Large Blast at AP3, partially because I play MEq a lot. And Ordinance is real nice when dealing with anything AV12 or lower. The only thing is, because it's Ordinance, I can't fire all my other guns when I'm using it, so I usually end up either moving 6" and firing it, or staying still and shooting off all 4 of my Rokkits, with whatever Heavy gun I also might have. It is nice to be able to have that large blast even when moving, though.

However, I just found out (might have even been this thread) that you cannot take Killkannons in Dedicated Transport wagons, so you'll want to watch out for that.

In short, they're large, obnoxious and shooty, and might scatter on to your own units. But in my eyes, More Explosions is a good thing. Doesnt' matter what's doing the exploding.

Anvildude wrote:Well, the deal with '12 inches, can't use' on Wrekkin balls is kinda moot on Battlewagons, 'cause they can't actually go faster than 12" a turn. Remember, rPJ means they go 13, but act as though they're goin' 12. That Str. 9 hit against anything within 2" that's not in combat could be useful. Though don't make the mistake I did and model your Wrekkin' ball so small it can't hit things on the other side of the Wagon.


Personally, I love Killkannons. Now, that might just be because I've never played a Boomwagon before, but I love having a Large Blast at AP3, partially because I play MEq a lot. And Ordinance is real nice when dealing with anything AV12 or lower. The only thing is, because it's Ordinance, I can't fire all my other guns when I'm using it, so I usually end up either moving 6" and firing it, or staying still and shooting off all 4 of my Rokkits, with whatever Heavy gun I also might have. It is nice to be able to have that large blast even when moving, though.

However, I just found out (might have even been this thread) that you cannot take Killkannons in Dedicated Transport wagons, so you'll want to watch out for that.

In short, they're large, obnoxious and shooty, and might scatter on to your own units. But in my eyes, More Explosions is a good thing. Doesnt' matter what's doing the exploding.

hmmmm, wrecking ball then . i think i would only take one if i could move it so it could get within 2" of all of my battle wagon, like having it in the middle and then have it be able to turn to get any side. but i am quite liking the sound of that tbh .
but the transport cap could be a problem with the killkannon :/.
i think i will leave the killkannon then, as i have a looted tank with boomgun anyway so i have marine killing power.
thanks for the advice.

@-bigfish I was going to kind of do that!Get all of the moldles I like (and need for a good army)Then pic a army on a game by game bacies.

UPDATE

BATTLE WAGON PRODUCTION SO FAR



The main things with the battle wagon are 1) i have filped it round so the front looks larger and more menecing and 2) ive added about twice as much plateing as i usually would.
but i think it is coming along quite well. tbh though i think i would have had it done by now but unfortunatly there are other things that need my attention other than plastic ( )

but heres what i am kinda working from/ inspired by. i found them in a white dwarf and they just looked too cool.




oh and i took he kannon off the squiggoth. i needed a base for a super kannon i am planning and it was just perfect, and well the squiggoths open toped anyway so meh.
picsbelow:






thanks for reading and comments are always nice to read.
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Matt.Kingsley wrote:Thank you plastic-fu master!

its not from this thread but i liked it.

"plastic-fu" perfect way to decribe what you need to scratch build ork stuff

I'm glad you like it
'Bigfish, Dakka's official Plastic-Fu master'

bigfish. sig that

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HAZZER wrote:@-bigfish I was going to kind of do that!Get all of the moldles I like (and need for a good army)Then pic a army on a game by game bacies.

i missed your response from before dude sorry.
And it is the most "fun" way of doing it.
For example i hardly ever will use my 890 point stompa in a game and when i build my 670 point batle fortress its probs not going to see the battle field anywhere near as often as a battle wagon, but i enjoyed making and having the stompa and i will enjoy making and having the battle fortress so it does'nt matter.
oh and i read your sig, you know there are downloadable spell checkers for what you type on here and the rest of the internet (its how i get round dyslexia )
happy waring or waaaarghing depending on what your using

I have to agree. You are very creative in the use of your bitz. That kannon you made looks like a oil drum, crows nest from the stompa model and and bunch of shoulder pads. Very well done.

schank23 wrote:I have to agree. You are very creative in the use of your bitz. That kannon you made looks like a oil drum, crows nest from the stompa model and and bunch of shoulder pads. Very well done.

your not surposed to be able to tell exsactly what its made from lol

bigfish wrote:

schank23 wrote:I have to agree. You are very creative in the use of your bitz. That kannon you made looks like a oil drum, crows nest from the stompa model and and bunch of shoulder pads. Very well done.

your not surposed to be able to tell exsactly what its made from lol

My Plastic-fu is stong to. lol

lol indeed

hey Big
You cut yo Sh*t up??
no joking I'm looking forward to the end result I bet it's gonna be great.
BTW check this guy out he's insane, we're no guardsmen but damn get a load of that ship:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/310208.page
(also I don't know this man and I'm not sharing for personal gain just wanted to share it's great)

DamienOfTheWRAAAGH wrote:hey Big
You cut yo Sh*t up??
no joking I'm looking forward to the end result I bet it's gonna be great.
BTW check this guy out he's insane, we're no guardsmen but damn get a load of that ship:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/310208.page
(also I don't know this man and I'm not sharing for personal gain just wanted to share it's great)

dude i checked it out.... i need to get me some plasticard...
he is imense, he has so much stuff i want.
thanks for the link

UPDATE

i found somewhere to get plasticard but it will be a while untll i cn actually get some, but still, if i can do what i want with it it sould save me £120 compared to me buying gw stuff. but anyway more updates on that milarki later

so i came back to my warboss and made some additions to his armour and general scaryness. i think he is pretty much ready to be basecoated and painted up which is really nice, cant wait to test out my speed freaks scheme on him.



so if you could'nt tell, i added a tyranid carni plate on his right shoulder and a bit of extra armour on his face.

thanks for reading.

This is all great stuff! Glad you're working on some more orks, your various vehicles were starting to outnumber them!

Perkustin wrote:This is all great stuff! Glad your working on some more orks, your various vehicles were starting to outnumber them!

thanks

outnumber them ay.... thats not a bad idea.

"i now decree there will be 2 dreads for every normal boy in the warband!" (if only i had the funds to actually do it)

QUESTION FOR DAKA USERS

im seeing a lot of these "paladin knight" titans around???

anyone know where i can find rules for these.

(i would quite like to know where to find the other datasheets for imperial titans as well)

thanks

imperial armour, internet or apocalypse reload

Yea he's a boss
the problem with scratchbuilding is that it's so hard to get enough details to match the GW stuff, it takes longer but it is cheaper indeed.
also boss is lookin good

DamienOfTheWRAAAGH wrote:Yea he's a boss
the problem with scratchbuilding is that it's so hard to get enough details to match the GW stuff, it takes longer but it is cheaper indeed.
also boss is lookin good

i know, its the most annoying part of scratchbuilding and honestly i dont think i spend enough time on it. i have been trying to take longer when making things and paying more attention to detail but it is just sooo long, it is making the stuff i find fun and when you have to spend that extra time on it it just becomes a bit too long for me. but oh well, it will be worth it in the end.

and thanks on the boss front. im really not sure if he is finished though but hohum.
next thing to be finnished will be the mega deff dread and then hopefully the time i have put into making it will show in the detail on it.

BIGFISH OUT


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OH i almost forgot
i found some of the titan datasheets and looting a warhound would be epic, if you read the apoc rules it says you can use allies and apoc encorages you to use your whole collection, therefor there is really nothing saying i could'nt use a warhound as a allie, or infact any other titan..... therefor a deathskullz looted titan is defo a project for the future
OH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
ZOMFG F-ing looted Warhound!!! So much win and so looted that idea my friend
Also yes the going of the extra mile is such a pain sometimes.
Thats why I try to use Gw parts but that is expencive

Damien OUT!

DamienOfTheWRAAAGH wrote:WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
ZOMFG F-ing looted Warhound!!! So much win and so looted that idea my friend
Also yes the going of the extra mile is such a pain sometimes.
Thats why I try to use Gw parts but that is expencive

Damien OUT!

.....you can have the looted warhound.

i want a looted Reaver.... MUHAHAHAHAHA

>.> indeed on GW prices

and finally, you cant steal my "bigfish out" thing

BIGFISH OUT!!!!!

Canz I Lootez Its?

You could try checking out some of the scratchbuilt titan threads, then loot that

Btw reaver is not really that awesome IMHO sorry
Warhound has the bending forward position like Tha Boys do

DamienOfTheWRAAAGH wrote:Canz I Lootez Its?

yes

monkeytroll wrote:You could try checking out some of the scratchbuilt titan threads, then loot that

well i did just get some plasticard......

DamienOfTheWRAAAGH wrote:Btw reaver is not really that awesome IMHO sorry
Warhound has the bending forward position like Tha Boys do

and yea.... it is the cooler looking titan tbh. the reaver is just standing there like "hmmm what should i destroy first" whereas the warhound is more like "gunna get ya, gunna get ya, gunna get ya.... oh your dead"

Dude if you build a looted Knight Paladin Titan you will be my hero.