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I love the model (I hope they don't change it) just not the point cost.

Devilfish will probably be in the 40-50 point range. the lack of a real gun really kills the tank. and Skimmer rules are, well... mean little anymore. Unless skimmers get upgraded in 6th.

SabrX wrote:

Prodigalson wrote:There are no rumors that the devilfish (model) is being changed at all, nor the hammerhead or skyray.

Be interesting to see what the ubersuit designation is. I've always thought that XV9's were misnamed, as tau use base 8 math, and the number was supposed to be the size classification basically.

And what bout XV25 Stealth Suits? They existed before XV9.

I like the current Devilfish, Hammerhead, and Skyray model. They are one of the reasons why I started playing Tau in the first place.

25 is still base 8 each column may have a value up to 8 i.e. the 2 is in the 8 column so 2 eights and the 5 is in the one column where as in normal numbers(base 10) the 2 is in the tens columns hence twenty five. So 25 in base 8 is really 16+5 = 21 in base 10. Sorry to math it up just wanted to point it out.

...wut

I never remember learning anything like that in math...

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Lukez wrote:

SabrX wrote:

Prodigalson wrote:There are no rumors that the devilfish (model) is being changed at all, nor the hammerhead or skyray.

Be interesting to see what the ubersuit designation is. I've always thought that XV9's were misnamed, as tau use base 8 math, and the number was supposed to be the size classification basically.

And what bout XV25 Stealth Suits? They existed before XV9.

I like the current Devilfish, Hammerhead, and Skyray model. They are one of the reasons why I started playing Tau in the first place.

25 is still base 8 each column may have a value up to 8 i.e. the 2 is in the 8 column so 2 eights and the 5 is in the one column where as in normal numbers(base 10) the 2 is in the tens columns hence twenty five. So 25 in base 8 is really 16+5 = 21 in base 10. Sorry to math it up just wanted to point it out.

Ah, so we are going by that notation, in which case '9' doesn't exist in Tau's numeral system.

What about the XV89 Crisis Battle Suit? That model has existed long before before the XV9.

I thought the whole XV designation was created by the Imperium to try and classify these things.

Lukez wrote:

25 is still base 8 each column may have a value up to 8 i.e. the 2 is in the 8 column so 2 eights and the 5 is in the one column where as in normal numbers(base 10) the 2 is in the tens columns hence twenty five. So 25 in base 8 is really 16+5 = 21 in base 10. Sorry to math it up just wanted to point it out.

Highest value of a single digit in base8 is 7. Eight is written as 10 ( one in the 8's column and zero in the 1's column). So if the Tau are really using base8 math (like the Mayans did) then XV88 is a bogus designation too.

SabrX wrote:
Ah, so we are going by that notation, in which case '9' doesn't exist in Tau's numeral system.

What about the XV89 Crisis Battle Suit? That model has existed long before before the XV9.

8 wouldn't exist as a single digit under base8 either. So either they made a mistake with the deisgnations or Tau don't really use base8 though it would seem to make sense given that they only have 4 digits on each hand.

or you know, it's the imperial designation.

The official GW Tau font contains characters for 0 to 7, which fits base 8.

The XV designations are Tau not Imperial, however GW clearly didn't think out their fluff properly.

That was surprising.

do they ever? There's several contradictions already.

It's funny how binary doesn't have a '2', hexadecimal doesn't have a '16', but decimal (denary) has a 10.

Even if the '8' doesn't mean anything in a base-8 numeral system, strangely enough there would still be a character 8 for the classification 'base-8'. 9 Wouldn't mean anything in Tau.

SabrX wrote:It's funny how binary doesn't have a '2', hexadecimal doesn't have a '16', but decimal (denary) has a 10.

Actually decimal doesn't have a single digit for 10. Decimal counts 0 through 9 and then moves to the next column.

2 in binary is written 10

16 in hexadecimal is written 10

10 in decimal is written 10

10 in decimal is 1 in the tens column with 0 in the units. It's not a single digit number, it's a compound. 2 does exist in binary (or your computer wouldn't work very well) but it's written as 10 (1 X 2, 0 X units = total of Two). Likewise 8 in Octal (base 8) is 10 (1 X 8, 0 X Units = Total of 8).

So to the Tau base 8 would be classified as "base 10" and decimal would be "base 12" as 10 and 12 are 8 and 10 in Octal. No need for an 8 at all.




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Hah, I got beaten to the post, sneaky Eldar.

Prodigalson wrote:There are no rumors that the devilfish (model) is being changed at all, nor the hammerhead or skyray.

Be interesting to see what the ubersuit designation is. I've always thought that XV9's were misnamed, as tau use base 8 math, and the number was supposed to be the size classification basically.

The suit naming conventions are an Imperial designator, not Tau. I would have to rummage around to figure the exact correspondence, but it Xv (Mass)(Purpose). Xv 8 (Large) 8 (Heavy Weapons): Broadsides. Xv 1 (tiny) 5 (stealth), Xv 2 (small) 2 (testing). Xv 9 (large).

Just from the examples available. So, a Xv 28 would probably be something along the lines of a Small Sniper Suit (theoretically).

SabrX wrote:It's funny how binary doesn't have a '2', hexadecimal doesn't have a '16', but decimal (denary) has a 10.

Even if the '8' doesn't mean anything in a base-8 numeral system, strangely enough there would still be a character 8 for the classification 'base-8'. 9 Wouldn't mean anything in Tau.

Hex does have a 16 but it's equivalent to 22 in base 10.

Erm......yeah.

Talk about making me feel dumb!

1 + 1 = 2

I know that one!

1 + 1 = 10

Duh.. -.-

I've always joked with the people who I play 40k with how stuffed up the Tau designations are. But I can't find where it says that Tau use base 8. Is it just an assumtpion since they have 8 fingers because thats not really proving anything. They might use decimal like we do.

Unlikely that the Tau use decimal, in my opinion. Humans use decimal 'cause we have 10 fingers to count on. Even then mathematics evolves, don't get me started on the old 'One, Two, Many, Lots, Sh**loads' thing.

Humans naturally use base 10 (Decimal), Tau would naturally use base 8 (Octal), and therefore would naturally have 8-32 members of a unit - so let's hope number of FWs in a squad changes in new 'dex!

I really want a fire-line of 32 FWs hitting at a unit of orcs for a couple of turns!

Ledabot wrote:I've always joked with the people who I play 40k with how stuffed up the Tau designations are. But I can't find where it says that Tau use base 8. Is it just an assumtpion since they have 8 fingers because thats not really proving anything. They might use decimal like we do.

The official Tau font only has numerals for 0 to 7. It is unlikely they use a base higher than 8, as they would have made more numerals for everyday tasks.

They could of course work in higher bases as humans do. Take hexadecimal for example. In hexadecimal, the non-existent numerals for 10 to 15 are represented by the letters A to F.

Ok, I kind of understand the eight base math, but I have one question: What's used for?

I mean, I went to trig and pre-calc in highschool and college, and I've never heard of it

I like the Tau, but some of you guys.... As if simply playing 40k wasn't nerdy enough, we have to have mathematical discussions! LOL

SickSix wrote:I like the Tau, but some of you guys.... As if simply playing 40k wasn't nerdy enough, we have to have mathematical discussions! LOL

Not to mention completely off topic and utterly pointless.

you want nerdy, there's instructions online as to how to make a fully functional railgun for your hammerhead, somewhere.

mega_bassist wrote:Ok, I kind of understand the eight base math, but I have one question: What's used for?

I mean, I went to trig and pre-calc in highschool and college, and I've never heard of it

We don't use it in real life. But if someone DID, we know how it would work.

Unless you are talking about tau, in which case it's just because they have 8 fingers. We have base 10 because humans developed math on 10 fingers.

Rented Tritium wrote:We don't use it in real life. But if someone DID, we know how it would work.

Ah, gotcha.

Rented Tritium wrote:Unless you are talking about tau, in which case it's just because they have 8 fingers. We have base 10 because humans developed math on 10 fingers.

Yeah, I figured that out when I started researching the 8 Base math lol

I wouldn't say that humans use base 10 because we have 10 fingers or whatever. There are numerous human cultures that DONT use base 10, assuming that all humans do so because most of the Western world does is rather inconsiderate. In fact, it just so happens that certain Native American cultures use base 8 instead of base 10 because they count the spaces in between their fingers instead of the actual fingers themselves.

No, only 99.99% of humanity does.

Nowadays, but thats largely because cultures using the base 10 counting system have imposed it on others. That ignores the fact that for a large chunk of human existence, a VERY LARGE portion of the human population used something other than base 10.

chaos0xomega wrote:Nowadays, but thats largely because cultures using the base 10 counting system have imposed it on others. That ignores the fact that for a large chunk of human existence, a VERY LARGE portion of the human population used something other than base 10.

Who cares? You're nitpicking to the extreme. The cultures that imposed the base 10 system used it because they had 10 fingers, so by extension, we use it because we have 10 fingers. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with the statement "we use it because we have 10 fingers". Who cares that there are 100 other things that happened in the middle. I'm not required to put the entire history of a point into a statement.