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Sigh.

I just hope my thousands upon thousands of points of tau don't become obsolete and trash with the new units being exclusively playable.

Ledabot wrote:Don't forget elder. For the best tech, I would have to say that crons, tau and elder have the best tech. Why would nids count? Hang on. I'm going to make a poll of this.

Because Nids are pure technology, All of their technology is pure living things that are able to mutate and change to maximize effectiveness or immunity, But yeah i forgot Eldar and their Darker Kin

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Ledabot wrote:Don't forget elder. For the best tech, I would have to say that crons, tau and elder have the best tech. Why would nids count? Hang on. I'm going to make a poll of this.

Because Nids are pure technology, All of their technology is pure living things that are able to mutate and change to maximize effectiveness or immunity, But yeah i forgot Eldar and their Darker Kin

That's not tech, that's evolution.

And really, the way I see it:

----------Necrons
--Eldar--------------Tau--------
Everything else.

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

im2randomghgh wrote:That's not tech, that's evolution.

What the nids currently engage in is bio-engineering not evolution. It's not a random process carried out over millions of years by un-intelligent forces. Its the deliberate and intelligent selection, adaption, and creation of genes within living organisms to create new species of assualt and support life-forms by the will of the Hivemind, which can be carried out in months, weeks, or even days. I would consider that as technology, just one that uses bio-mechanics rather than non-living machines.

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

If you give 6th ed tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you divide by zero...

IPS wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

If you give 6th ed tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you divide by zero...

Bbbb...but that meens.......

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

im2randomghgh wrote:

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

Oh wow, 3 Wounds from an AP3 gun, what ever will i do with this pinning test :O

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
I really don't understand this, it's not power armour, It's Tactical Dreadknight Armour, plus, Tau would not have a mecha suit, they believe in a way which combines maximum protection with good mobility and a Mecha Suit would not make sense as it would be slow and cumbersome. .

Unless you did something to solve that problem... such as adding a teleporter.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
Plus you can't really say that a Dreadknight's Technology is advanced through scientific technology, without them being psykers, they wouldn't have the Dreadknight teleporters! So from a scientific point of view it is the Tau, Necrons and Tyranids that have the best technology in the game.

No true scotsman. Good job, keep moving the goalposts and this'll be over in no time!

Mentlegen324 wrote:
There is difference between Tau not requiring Man-Portable anti-tank weapons due to the way they fight, and terminators not being manouvreable. Terminators were not designed with the purpose of being slow, that is just a downside - and not all Terminators teleport.

No, Space Wolf Terminators don't teleport. Good job.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
Plus you can't really say that a Dreadknight's Technology is advanced through scientific technology, without them being psykers, they wouldn't have the Dreadknight teleporters! So from a scientific point of view it is the Tau, Necrons and Tyranids that have the best technology in the game.

No true scotsman. Good job, keep moving the goalposts and this'll be over in no time!.

This Isn't Football so there are no Goalposts!

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

Oh wow, 3 Wounds from an AP3 gun, what ever will i do with this pinning test :O

S6 AP3 as a basic weapon on a BS4 platform? Broken as hell.

im2randomghgh wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

Oh wow, 3 Wounds from an AP3 gun, what ever will i do with this pinning test :O

S6 AP3 as a basic weapon on a BS4 platform? Broken as hell.

Yeah but you could only have 3 of them!

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
Plus you can't really say that a Dreadknight's Technology is advanced through scientific technology, without them being psykers, they wouldn't have the Dreadknight teleporters! So from a scientific point of view it is the Tau, Necrons and Tyranids that have the best technology in the game.

No true scotsman. Good job, keep moving the goalposts and this'll be over in no time!.

This Isn't Football so there are no Goalposts!

On the countrary, I think you'll find that there is.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
Plus you can't really say that a Dreadknight's Technology is advanced through scientific technology, without them being psykers, they wouldn't have the Dreadknight teleporters! So from a scientific point of view it is the Tau, Necrons and Tyranids that have the best technology in the game.

No true scotsman. Good job, keep moving the goalposts and this'll be over in no time!.

This Isn't Football so there are no Goalposts!

On the countrary, I think you'll find that there is.

This is not a process or a competition, this is a debate!

You guys are off topic. If you want to descuss technology, go the the thread I made http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/423998.page

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
Plus you can't really say that a Dreadknight's Technology is advanced through scientific technology, without them being psykers, they wouldn't have the Dreadknight teleporters! So from a scientific point of view it is the Tau, Necrons and Tyranids that have the best technology in the game.

No true scotsman. Good job, keep moving the goalposts and this'll be over in no time!.

This Isn't Football so there are no Goalposts!

On the countrary, I think you'll find that there is.

This is not a process or a competition, this is a debate!

I'd say a debate can count as both a process or a debate. Perhaps I should've linked this instead. Anyhow, we're getting off-topic, so I suggest we agree to disagree.

Back on topic:
I seem to remember someone mentioning a "suicide drone" some pages back (or maybe I'm just misremembering). Suppose that Skyrays got some sort of modified Seeker Missile that worked like a beefed-up frag missile, allowing it to auto-hit these suicide drones even if they were in close combat? That could be a way to increase Tau CC potential without increasing raw CC potential, and it'd be fluffy too ("oh snap, Shas'ui McFail is in close combat! He's gonna die anyway, target his drone for the Greater Good!).

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Oaka wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

If you give Tau weapons to BS4 Eldar, you get a broken codex.

If you give tau railrifles to BS4 eldar, you get a broken game.

Oh wow, 3 Wounds from an AP3 gun, what ever will i do with this pinning test :O

S6 AP3 as a basic weapon on a BS4 platform? Broken as hell.

Yeah but you could only have 3 of them!

Read the bolded part. Basic weapon is like a bolter on a marine, or a pulse rifle on a Firewarrior.

Do not post Banal and Flamey statements please. MT11

im2randomghgh wrote:
That's not tech, that's evolution.

And really, the way I see it:

----------Necrons
--Eldar--------------Tau--------
Everything else.

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

Bit of a misuse on the word evolution there. Its a common misconception to assume that evolution means things consistently get better, which isn't true.

Lemondish wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
That's not tech, that's evolution.

And really, the way I see it:

----------Necrons
--Eldar--------------Tau--------
Everything else.

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

Bit of a misuse on the word evolution there. Its a common misconception to assume that evolution means things consistently get better, which isn't true.

They do evolve though. I think I remember some tyranid fleet adapting to be almost immune to lasguns...or was that pulse rifles? I dunno.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
That's not tech, that's evolution.

And really, the way I see it:

----------Necrons
--Eldar--------------Tau--------
Everything else.

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons.

Bit of a misuse on the word evolution there. Its a common misconception to assume that evolution means things consistently get better, which isn't true.

They do evolve though. I think I remember some tyranid fleet adapting to be almost immune to lasguns...or was that pulse rifles? I dunno.

It depends on what they're fighting. Against IG or Tau, they'll evolve a thermal dispersive carapace. Against SMs and such they'll evolve a denser hardened carapace. And yeah, you can't call Tyranids the pinnacle of technology. Technology is the deliberate invention of material objects. Evolution is just a physiological reaction to ambient circumstances. In the Tyranids case it's a very functional substitute for tech, but it's still not the same thing.

As with much fluff there isn't a lot of considered science going on with Tyranids.

GW have always written down stuff that sounds cool and justified it with a bit of sciencey blurb.

Please forgive me to post some on topc stuff:

Harry wrote:There is so much stuff to come before Tau there is no way they are coming before 6th edition
Tau have got pushed up the release order in everyones head because of one guys rumour (Late last year) that they would be out in six months ... They were wrong.
I am not expecting them within six months from now. (Bit longer than that actually)
Given that .... the book isn't written yet.
Given that .... some of the rumours have to be complete bobbins.

The Dude wrote:Like all of them with the possible exception of some miniatures rumours

.... and some of those are bobbins too.

That's not tech, that's evolution.

And really, the way I see it:

----------Necrons
--Eldar--------------Tau--------
Everything else.

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons

I'm sorry but both craftworld and dark eldar have far superior tech to tau.And with regard to the tyranids it's definitively not evolution I'd call it bio-engineering.

Harry wrote:

TastyTaste wrote:Didn't interpret your previous response as being quite as definite as this one. Still good to know though.

Just to clarify - are you saying that as the army isn't going to be released within 6 months then the book probably isn't finished yet, and therefore some or all of the rumoured rules are rubbish or it's unlikely they'll be released within the next 6 months because the book isn't written yet?

I can see how that can be read both ways.
I am saying the first of those .... If I am right, and they are not coming out in the next six months, then the book probably isn't finished yet and therefore some of the rumoured rules are rubbish. (or premature at best) Some of them were posted before the book was started so we can all agree they must be a bit suspect.
If the book were out in the next 6 months the book would be signed off finished and on its way to the printers. It isn't.

Commissar Davis wrote:I have a little info regarding some kind of set back, Eldar may come out before Tau. Those with their own contacts may want to look into this, as mine thinks they as getting some dis/misinformation

Garanaul the Black wrote:For what it's worth, I have heard something similar.

Rocky1 wrote:

That's not tech, that's evolution.

And really, the way I see it:

----------Necrons
--Eldar--------------Tau--------
Everything else.

Necrons first, tau and eldar tied for second, though closer now, as tbh their technology seems less impressive than oldcrons

I'm sorry but both craftworld and dark eldar have far superior tech to tau.And with regard to the tyranids it's definitively not evolution I'd call it bio-engineering.

Their tech tends to outperform tau tech, but it is based around their psychic energy i.e. not having triggers due to psychic will being used as a firing mechanism. Their actual science, and the advancement of their tech, is not above tau.

Kroothawk wrote:

Harry wrote:

TastyTaste wrote:Didn't interpret your previous response as being quite as definite as this one. Still good to know though.

Just to clarify - are you saying that as the army isn't going to be released within 6 months then the book probably isn't finished yet, and therefore some or all of the rumoured rules are rubbish or it's unlikely they'll be released within the next 6 months because the book isn't written yet?

I can see how that can be read both ways.
I am saying the first of those .... If I am right, and they are not coming out in the next six months, then the book probably isn't finished yet and therefore some of the rumoured rules are rubbish. (or premature at best) Some of them were posted before the book was started so we can all agree they must be a bit suspect.
If the book were out in the next 6 months the book would be signed off finished and on its way to the printers. It isn't.

Commissar Davis wrote:I have a little info regarding some kind of set back, Eldar may come out before Tau. Those with their own contacts may want to look into this, as mine thinks they as getting some dis/misinformation

Garanaul the Black wrote:For what it's worth, I have heard something similar.

Owww. I'm made my birthday wish that it would come out soon.... as in 1st half of the year.

Kroothawk wrote:Please forgive me to post some on topc stuff:

Well, This is tau we are talking about, and what we're talking about makes much more sense than some of these rumours!