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Yeah, the ~lvl45 bracket must be filled with tards, because I consider myself to be barely above average, maybe, and I have no difficulty dealing with slow moving missles from any range in any vehicle.

Apparently, yes. You don't have to get off the point to launch a rocket almost all the way across the map at a vehicle, forcing it to take cover or be hit. If they're getting off the point and trying to chase you down as a doombringer, theyr'e doing somethign wrong. It's not a chaser class >.>

I think he's just assuming the Shrike Pilot has a lot more skill than the ones I tend to play against, and perhaps he does, so it shades his judgement that way.

Most of time, in my experience, a Doom Bringer or two will ground enemy shrikes in a matter of a minute or two. Usually Shrikes appear first, making awesome Flag Chasers, then Doom Bringers appear to ground the Shrikes.

More importantly, what does everyone think about the new BRUTE weapons ?

I think:
* Survival Pack is awesome
* Plasma Cannon is better than the Shotgun
* Whatever the new Primary is, feels like a contact exploding version of the Jackal. Better indoors than the Heavy Spinfusor, but outside I'm not loving it.

So it's like COD (enemies - SHOOT THEM) except everyone's flying around and it's impossible to kill everyone because they're flying around and your gun does feth all damage.
Yeah, waste of time.

Joey: if you are decent with the spinfusor you're looking at killing lights in 2 shots, but it takes quite a bit of practice, its not a game you can just grab and get lucky with like COD nor is it a reaction shooter where your ping matters more than your skill. There are /many/ midair youtube vids of people just cutting a swath through a team with little to no resistance, but its not an easy thing to do like sitting in a corner or quickscoping in COD.
The bullet weapons are anemic unless you can put an entire long burst on someone though.
The games strengths lie in CTF, not arena, where there are plenty of other things to do than "shoot them"

The base CTF is far better than the deathmatch CTF, as well.

Easier to shoot people coming towards you.
Harder to shoot people fleeing from you.
People who stand still are target practice.

Way more exciting to chase someone down and finish them off before they capture your flag than other games where you fire from the hip and kill someone with a single headshot.

Technicians lay traps.
Juggernaughts shell the crap out stuf from a distance.
Infiltrators stealth in and stab people in the back, or stick grenandes on them when they are not looking.

WAY more involved than a standard FPS.

Hell, infiltrators can work perfectly fine as flag grabbers, too. They're not as nimble as pathfinders but they are more durable.

I know I grab flags as Inf all the time. The Inf IS a light class, after all, and has plenty of both energy and speed to do the trick. It's why I like Inf so much... you can do almost anything with Inf, even if your primary role is disruption.

Heck Yeah !! those sneaky infiltrators flag camping just waiing for their chance to snatch the flag...

Any armor can snatch a flag. Last night I shocked myself Capping a flag with a Brute on Drydock. I was zipping by on the same capping route I use for a Pathfinder and the flag was just laying there, begging me to steal it, so I did

Brute Capping is actually a legit tactic. I'd like to see a 'major' team going with a dedicated Brute capper- especially as most anti-capper techniques basically count on low-health Pathfinders- especially the Sentinal defense that is so prevalent at high level gameplay.

A Brute with Potential Energy, the Heavy Shield Pack, Heavy Spinfuzor and Plasma Cannon (Ultra Capacitor II or something as secondary perk) can build incredible speed, survive pretty much every defense the enemy can put up, and still have amazingly good energy for maneuvering.

I've found myself capping as raider as well, the plasmagun great for picking off chasers.

EPIC Game last night. Playing on Katabatic with a Technician. Chased Enemy Capper all the way from my base to his and finished him off, and returned the flag, at the edge of his base. Slid into base to avoid enemy fire and then skied all the way down to the generator with an enemy Jug and Raider in the Generator room. I didn't shoot at them and they ignored me long enough for me to destroy their fully functional MKIV Generator with my repair tool. Decided not to stay any longer in the enemy base and popped outside the base, from the side tunnel, to find a completely undefended flag. Capped the flag on my way back to my base.

We lost the match but I didn't care.

I got cocky and tried it a few more times during the night, but I kept getting ganked in the enemy generator rooms. The Repair tool takes forever to destroy anything. Did however score a half dozen flag grabs, and two more caps, with my technician after chasing enemy cappers to their base.