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Kanluwen wrote:For those who are skeptical of rules released in WD:
The Terrorgheist/Ghoul King, Tomb Banshee, and Cairn Wraith as Heroes in Vampires would like a word with you. As would the Eldar Nightspinner.

They all had rules published in White Dwarf before an army book.

And if you want to go back even further...

Terminator Armour's 5+ Invulnerable Save and the Fleet rule for Eldar units would like words too.

Kanluwen wrote:For those who are skeptical of rules released in WD:
The Terrorgheist/Ghoul King, Tomb Banshee, and Cairn Wraith as Heroes in Vampires would like a word with you. As would the Eldar Nightspinner.

They all had rules published in White Dwarf before an army book.

I'm examining things in a historical light given that Sisters as an army or even a fluff piece have been ignored in White Dwarf since just after the release of Codex Witch Hunters. They were mentioned briefly in a single article about Planetstrike with a lone strategem. Until the release of the new WD codex there was nothing else. Sisters have gotten 2 formations for Apoc (neither of which is great due to the expense involved with purchasing models for them and their overall weakness) and 3 Battle Missions (1 of which they can expect to all die in turn 2 thanks to being assaulted). Thats not a lot of attention is nearly 8 years. 3 Articles on top of lackluster codex to give us new stuff. I just don't see them releasing a model to accompany this supplement, though I would be happily surprised and contented if they do.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
And if you want to go back even further...

Terminator Armour's 5+ Invulnerable Save and the Fleet rule for Eldar units would like words too.

To be fair it's been a long time since all that great Chapter Approved stuff. Night Spinner rules were the first rules to show up in WD in years.

Eisenhorn wrote:
Never know they might of got a sneal peek at 6th edition and they make Super Heavies Legal for all games.
I doubt thuderhawk though these new StormRavens I think were meant to fil that gap,that's why they are being wrote into alot of the books now like they alway been around.
Give it 10 years and Stormraven and that size craft will be the norm for marines with the T-Hawk stays a specialist piece.
30 man capacity makes no sense for marines(well it does but follow my logic next sentence)
10 plus dred why ain't that a starter sets main force,Assults have reserve and jumpacks the tacs need the transport in games.
Plus they can have the stock body and make upgrades via forgeworld
A small gunship that escorts this that has lots of shooty death for marines is my guess maybe 5 man cap glorfied Armored Scout Tempest if you will

No. They are not putting superheavies in standard games. They're not balanced for standard games, they're not in the codices, and the notion is goddamn ludicrous. Your grammar could also use some work and your formatting is very, very strange. Separate sentences do not need their own lines.

If Space Marines get a flyer, will Space Wolves get one too? I'm about to buy more models and I wonder if I should wait...

BB

Doesn't Spearhead allow you to take Superheavies in "normal" games?

Praxiss wrote:Doesn't Spearhead allow you to take Superheavies in "normal" games?

It's not a normal game. It's an expansion, just like Apocalypse.

Raghh Brother SRM says,
MUST BE CORRECT ALL TIMES,ALL THINGS

Frankie says,
Relax

We are just speculating here.
They may or may not put super-heavies in 6th.
You do not know for a fact or I am sure there would be a thread boasting how smart and on the inside you are.
Separate sentences are easier on the eye on the net.
I am not being graded.
Keep your Grammer crtiques to yourself and stay on topic with a 9500+ post count you ought to know better.

It's actually a very, very, very, very easy thing to consider that super-heavies will not be 'standard' in 6th edition.

What reason is that?

Forge World's Super-Heavies still use the "Apocalypse" tags for Super Heavies, and "Warhammer 40,000" for the non-SH vehicles.

Well that and the fact that there were no Super Heavies in the two Codices(Necrons and Grey Knights) reputedly written "with 6th in mind".

I think if the leaked PDF actually is an indication of anything, the lines will blur between what could be considered Standard, Apoc, Planetstrike, etc. There will still be a clear division, but it will be easier to incorporate expansions and the units/rules that go with them into a standard game.

As for the flyers, I think it's entirely possible..I'd go so far as to say probable. It's obviously a big part of the changes in upcoming 6th, so providing support for it just prior to and just after the release of 6th makes sense. More so than a lot of rumors flying around out there.

Kanluwen wrote:It's actually a very, very, very, very easy thing to consider that super-heavies will not be 'standard' in 6th edition.

What reason is that?

Forge World's Super-Heavies still use the "Apocalypse" tags for Super Heavies, and "Warhammer 40,000" for the non-SH vehicles.

Well that and the fact that there were no Super Heavies in the two Codices(Necrons and Grey Knights) reputedly written "with 6th in mind".

Do not underestimate the power of the Errata and Frequently Asked Questions.

Eisenhorn wrote:Raghh Brother SRM says,
MUST BE CORRECT ALL TIMES,ALL THINGS

Frankie says,
Relax

We are just speculating here.
They may or may not put super-heavies in 6th.
You do not know for a fact or I am sure there would be a thread boasting how smart and on the inside you are.
Separate sentences are easier on the eye on the net.
I am not being graded.
Keep your Grammer crtiques to yourself and stay on topic with a 9500+ post count you ought to know better.

They won't put superheavies in standard games of 40k. There might be some notes on them in the 6th edition rulebook, but they will not be in standard games of 40k. They are not balanced for that. I wouldn't be completely surprised if there was some section on using superheavies in standard games of 40k, and they were a permission-only sort of deal, but they won't be in standard army builds. I know I wouldn't have fun if I went to my FLGS for a pickup game with a stranger only for him to plop a Baneblade on the table and expect my 3 melta guns to deal with it.

Also, I do know better. That's why I'm asking you to know better and write in a legible way. Separate lines indicate different paragraphs, subjects, or of all things a poem. I don't think anyone's waxing poetic about 40k rumors here. Nobody else writes like that, and for good reason. In other words:

Eisenhorn wrote:Raghh Brother SRM says,
MUST BE CORRECT ALL TIMES,ALL THINGS

I dunno "There once was an Emperor from Nantuket,who's..."

If someone plopped a Baneblade on the table I tell him take it off,I'm here to have fun,you need pick your strangers better.
I find the ones that give you candy are swell

Can we please return to the topic to reduce the noise-to-content ratio?

Beasts of War is having a live show tonight at 8 PM GMT about the new flyers:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/turn-8-tonight-new-40k-fliers/

That’s right guys… Tonight’s show is all about the new… wait for it… Space Marine Stormtalon… the Necron Doom & Night Scythes… plus the new Ork Biltza-Bommer, Dakkajet and Burna-Bommer! and we expect these bad boys to hit the shelves, perhaps around June 2nd?

We’ll have a “look” at them in more detail and discuss some of the special rules you might expect for such awesome hardware!

Who would you want to be a Fighter Ace that shoots down enemy skimmers?

What if one could shrug off Melta weapons?

Would you want a flier that turns up and strafes across enemy lines?

We’ll discuss all this and more tonight!

Stormtalon, multiple Ork flyers? They've got my curiosity peaked.

Let me put it this way... I'll believe them if they have pictures.

Redemption wrote:

That’s right guys… Tonight’s show is all about the new… wait for it… Space Marine Stormtalon… the Necron Doom & Night Scythes… plus the new Ork Biltza-Bommer, Dakkajet and Burna-Bommer! and we expect these bad boys to hit the shelves, perhaps around June 2nd?

Stormtalon, multiple Ork flyers? They've got my curiosity peaked.

Probably one kit with multiple weapons. I guess I'll have to buy three so I can have one of each...

Hard to take BoW serious after they spent an entire show analysing the old Land Raider box art for signs of the chibihawk.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:For those who are skeptical of rules released in WD:
The Terrorgheist/Ghoul King, Tomb Banshee, and Cairn Wraith as Heroes in Vampires would like a word with you. As would the Eldar Nightspinner.

They all had rules published in White Dwarf before an army book.

And if you want to go back even further...

Terminator Armour's 5+ Invulnerable Save and the Fleet rule for Eldar units would like words too.

The Necrons would like a word also as their first army list was printed in WD217/218 at the end of 2nd ed.

Zathras wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:For those who are skeptical of rules released in WD:
The Terrorgheist/Ghoul King, Tomb Banshee, and Cairn Wraith as Heroes in Vampires would like a word with you. As would the Eldar Nightspinner.

They all had rules published in White Dwarf before an army book.

And if you want to go back even further...

Terminator Armour's 5+ Invulnerable Save and the Fleet rule for Eldar units would like words too.

The Necrons would like a word also as their first army list was printed in WD217/218 at the end of 2nd ed.

The Legion of the Damned would like a word too.

If the Necron Night & Doom Scythe get released now and the models look like the art I'm jumping on the bandwagon.

kronk wrote:

Redemption wrote:

That’s right guys… Tonight’s show is all about the new… wait for it… Space Marine Stormtalon… the Necron Doom & Night Scythes… plus the new Ork Biltza-Bommer, Dakkajet and Burna-Bommer! and we expect these bad boys to hit the shelves, perhaps around June 2nd?

Stormtalon, multiple Ork flyers? They've got my curiosity peaked.

Probably one kit with multiple weapons. I guess I'll have to buy three so I can have one of each...

Or possibly multiple configurations inside the same box. Perhaps a different nosecone for each, different wing mounts, etc.... I.E. Fighter Mode has angled wing edge leading, Bomber Mode - flip wings over for flat edge leading.

I'm sure there will be some smart fellas out there that will show you how to magnetize the kit to maximize your options after assembly.

Stormtalon has my curiosity piqued. I won't put any stock in it if there's no evidence after June, though.

The content of the BOW video (some info by jimbo1711 from Warseer added):

jimbo1701 wrote:Ork fighter/bomber: not one but 3 vehicles, maybe 2 kits.

Dakkajet: BS2, AV10, fast skimmer, supersonic, aerial assault, strafing run. (BS3 Vs all except jump and skimmers) Fighter ace upgrade gives BS3 against everything. During Waaaghh may get to fire twice? 3x TL A2 dakkaguns.

Burna-bomma: BS2, AV10, same rules as jet, burna bomb - essentially scorcha dropped during movement that ignores cover. Also has grot gunner. Pic of blitza-bommer version:

Space Marine Stormtalon gunship - 130 pts!
Not a troop carrier, BS4, AV11, fast skimmer, supersonic, aerial assault, TLAC/TLHB as standard, TLHBs swapout for lascannons/typhoons. Skyhammer missile launchers, S7, AP4, H3 60". Ceramite plating, deep strike. Special rule - escort craft - attach to deep striking/reserve unit and will turn up 6" away. Hover-strike - can turn into a skimmer for a turn, can't move but gets +1 BS. Pic:

Any similarities to the GIJoe Skyhawk are pure coincidence

Space marine one is lame. May still get one for my DA any ways.

Storm Talon will make a great looted flyer for Orks.
=D

seriously? That's it? Pffft.

Like the Necron one, hard not to like the Ork one, hate the Space Marine one.

Not buying it... Fan art that is all. If it is true where is the harpy and the DE bomber?

See previous page:

Harry wrote:

2nd of June is the first Saturday for that month so they'll be a new release on that day. Looks like the Ork Flyer is coming in June!

I think more than just the Ork flyer.
(...)
I am thinking just three of those.... SM, Ork and Necron. (As mentioned in the first post).
I am not saying the other ones are not coming .... just not quite as soon as these three.

Redemption wrote:Beasts of War is having a live show tonight at 8 PM GMT about the new flyers:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/turn-8-tonight-new-40k-fliers/

So how come the link was taken down? What was in it?