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insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.

To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

GW has put a lot of effort on these starter sets, it was obvious they would not slack this one either. Minor disappointment that much of the Marines side seems largely same as in AOBR, I hope that they are totally new sculpts though.


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Panda wrote:Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Backfire wrote:Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Dark Angels Librarians are I5 with 3 attacks in their codex already.

I am not sure why this rumor is particularly credible? Baidu is a search engine not a forum. Did i miss something, who exactly "leaked" this?

I just realized. Plastic librarian, finally!!

pretre wrote:Are there actual pictures on that site? I didn't see them.

Yes, other than the "Hellbeast" Dreadnought, is there any other evidence of the contents other than Chinese stat-sheets?

aka_mythos wrote:

pretre wrote:Just chaos up those deathwing.

It is my dream... that one day GW, gets to a point where the distinctiveness of Chaos will make that too difficult to be worthwhile. The aesthetic limitation of marines+spikes will hopefully come to an end and allow GW to play with more organic and possessed forms for Chaos marines, embracing in appreciable manner the physical distinctions of chaos from loyalists as the fluff and artwork have shown.

I understand your frustrations. I'm as annoyed as the next guy by unimaginative marine-to-Chaos conversions.

However, remember that in much of the models, fluff and art, from the present back to 2nd edition, there are many instances of Chaos Marines that don't differ terribly from regular marines. Many chaos marines are not as different from loyalist marines as the Imperium would have you believe.

As long as the weaponry is WYSIWYG and the iconography has been changed, I've no problem with regular marines converted to chaos. Especially when the base models are from such tainted and/or shamed chapters as the DA and BA.

aka_mythos wrote:There is a distinctive difference between creative conversion work, to thematically meld concepts with existing models, and just cheapening the hobby by not wanting to spend money on the actual model. Some people get it, some people don't. It comes down to respecting the time and energy that others put into their hobby.

As to this, as long as GW models have cost more than most everyone elses, there's been a long and glorious tradition of modding up cheaper models to serve as more expensive ones. Whether to save $ or just to have a character that isn't exactly like everyone else's, this trend isn't going away soon. The best we can do is encourage good conversions and for folks to actually paint their models (a whole other can-o-worms).

insaniak wrote:

Backfire wrote:Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Dark Angels Librarians are I5 with 3 attacks in their codex already.

Yes, but DA are 4th Edition book. Chaplains and Librarians had that same statline in all Marine books until 5th edition books, where it has changed to I4, A2.

Backfire wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Backfire wrote:Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Dark Angels Librarians are I5 with 3 attacks in their codex already.

Yes, but DA are 4th Edition book. Chaplains and Librarians had that same statline in all Marine books until 5th edition books, where it has changed to I4, A2.

I think they are expecting you to use the DA codex with these models though, not the 5th edition books. Plus this also could mean that the next DA book will have a beefed up Libby, much like the BA Reclusiarch is to the chaplain

Chosen with only 1 base attack? Weak-sauce.

This looks like a really lop-sided match-up.

Omegus wrote:Chosen with only 1 base attack? Weak-sauce.

This looks like a really lop-sided match-up.

They, like 40K as a whole, are always slanted towards the IOM.

AOBR was heavily slanted in the Marines favour.

Battle for Macragge was, likewise.

This is to make the new player decide that the other race sucks, and then buy a Marine army, for which there are many codexes and models.


Expecting balance out of GW is like expecting to survive a 200 ft fall. It's possible, but really fething unlikely.

This is really a glorious set for those of who are incredibly cheap. If the Dark Angels are painted as the fallen, and the Chaos are painted to match, one gets 3 HQs, 3 Elites, 3 Troops and a Fast Attack choice. This is probably the most complete starter army GW has released to date.

Gitzbitah wrote:This is really a glorious set for those of who are incredibly cheap. If the Dark Angels are painted as the fallen, and the Chaos are painted to match, one gets 3 HQs, 3 Elites, 3 Troops and a Fast Attack choice. This is probably the most complete starter army GW has released to date.

Oh good shout.

Im not sure why people seem to think its going to have lots of DA iconography, Black Reach never had any on those figures.

Backfire wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.

To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

GW has put a lot of effort on these starter sets, it was obvious they would not slack this one either. Minor disappointment that much of the Marines side seems largely same as in AOBR, I hope that they are totally new sculpts though.

Seriously what does he expect? I mean the starter set contains more. How are you going to mix things up any more for Space Marine while keeping it relatively useful as a starter set? The point of it is to portray as wide a variety of the basic variations in the most basic of units. I guess you could have assault marines or even an attack bike but most anything else and you start to depart from the representatively useful.

aka_mythos wrote:

Backfire wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.

To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

GW has put a lot of effort on these starter sets, it was obvious they would not slack this one either. Minor disappointment that much of the Marines side seems largely same as in AOBR, I hope that they are totally new sculpts though.

Seriously what does he expect? I mean the starter set contains more. How are you going to mix things up any more for Space Marine while keeping it relatively useful as a starter set? The point of it is to portray as wide a variety of the basic variations in the most basic of units. I guess you could have assault marines or even an attack bike but most anything else and you start to depart from the representatively useful.

Exactly. Most of the complaints can be summed up as "It doesn't contain what -I- wanted in it". Basically, if it doesn't have what you wanted, it's not for you. And even then, it's probably STILL not TOTALLY intended for you, it's intended for new players.

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.


To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

I'm happy with the choices and I'm quite surprised that people thought they'd get something different. They give you the most common squad in the chapter (the tact squad) plus the two units that, more than any others, distinguish the chapter from others (raven and death wings). The above seem like no brainers compared to the scouts plus techmarine plus assault squad that people seem to have been expecting.

I hope the chaos iconography on the cultists is lightly done - they sound a perfect starting point for a new Necromunda gang

I'm really hopeful for Chaos, cultists + chosen is perfect for my Word Bearers.

Therion wrote:I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

How many of these Space Marine armies were Blood Angels, Space Wolves or Grey Knights?

This starter set is not intended for me, but I'll take 2 anyway if those contents prove to be accurate. Well that and as long as the Cultists are well done and not throwback no shirt dress wearing types.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Contents look pretty cool, but looks like Chaos gets shafted on points if that's the case.

I was thinking something along those lines...looks like Chaos is way outgunned there...unless Cultists are far better than it would seem.

Looking at it, what do the Space Marines have to take out that Dreadnought?

Seems like they're relying on the powerfists in the Terminator unit and one Plasma Cannon unless the Librarian will have some vehicle stomping psychic power.

I just hope the Chosen with the lightning claw gets an actual Chaos-style lightning claw (the articulated fingers vs the knuckle-claws).

haroon wrote:I am not sure why this rumor is particularly credible? Baidu is a search engine not a forum. Did i miss something, who exactly "leaked" this?

Baidu also has forums: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1694628705?pn=1

This was released by the people in Shanghai that GW asked to translate the starter into Chinese. In previous years, the Taiwanese distro/shop was involved in the translation as well, but this year the rep told them that they were only giving the starter to their people in Shanghai "for reasons of secrecy" as they were afraid the Taiwanese guys would release the information on the web.

I think the guys in Shanghai have had the box for around a week.

Looks like they chose poorly.

Panda wrote:Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Is this a glimpse at the future of the new Ravenwing, or perhaps Vanguard Veteran bikers? Hopefully with both boltpistol and CCW.

Ravenwing brah. No longer just Space Marine bikers with dresses!

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Looking at it, what do the Space Marines have to take out that Dreadnought?

Seems like they're relying on the powerfists in the Terminator unit and one Plasma Cannon unless the Librarian will have some vehicle stomping psychic power.

There's a plasma gun in the bikers too, isn't there? There might be a psychic power that could work as well, in addition to the slight boost to krak grenades (hit on WS against walkers now!) so I think there's enough there. AoBR only has the Deffkoptas and the Warboss to kill the dreadnought, and even then the Warboss could get doubled out before it could swing.

I dunno about 6th, but what I do know is; I'm excited about plastic cultists.

Cannot wait for this!!!

I'm liking the Chaos side. Always wanted a cultist heavy force since DoW, but was disappointed that meant basically going with Cadians and filing off the Aquillas.

I find it strange the DA come with two leaders though.

pretre wrote:Looks like they chose poorly.

Indiana Jones quote per chance?