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DeathReaper wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:I will now Quote the Argument and explain the Fallacy:

-The mawloc is still attacking using a template, which the Hard To Hit rule states should automatically miss.
First off; Marker, but that is more of a Nit-pick. More appropriately, the Mawloc is not Attacking.

The Mawlock is attacking (It is not using CC Attacks, but it is still attacking the flier).

Kommissar Kel wrote:-A mawloc's attacks are resolved the same way a blast weapon is (choose a point, scatter, then see who is hit).
Still not an attack, and TFtD is in no way resolved like a Blast weapon; The Marker is only ever pulled out if the Deepstrike scatters onto another model

Again, the Mawlock is attacking the enemy unit. (It is not using CC Attacks, but it is still attacking the flier).

Attack is defined in the rules as CC Attacks, attacking is not defined in the rules so we fall back on the common definition of attack (To attempt to inflict harm).

The Mawlock is attempt to inflict harm on the enemy unit.

A Shooting Attack is both Defined and Referred to in the brb(in reference page 35, Fleshbane).

So you have 2 modes of Attack, that the BRB specifically references(Shooting and Melee)which TFtD is neither.

Then you have a Simple "attack" in the rules for Instant Death(I will Admit to a Mis-speaking in this regard, it is technically an Attack; but not any Attack that Hard to Hit effects); which is any method of Placing a to-wound roll against the target model.

So while a S6 "Attack" is being made, and is using a Blast Marker; this attack is not in any way a Shooting Attack; and even more specifically not a shooting attack that uses a Blast Marker.