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 Testify wrote:
I remember being on the GW boards when I was about 15 (damn that's nearly 9 years ago). People were saying GW was crashing then, too. Despite rising profits

I also fail to see how GW's marketing is rubbish when they sell out of new releases almost immediately. But I guess you guys know better


I have to say the whole "Oh, I suppose you know better then do you?!" (said in Hattie Jacques' voice) every time someone voices an opinion that you don't agree with is starting to wear a little thin Testify. Could you at least try and make a logical argument as to why you think that?

It is possible that GW is making a mistake in not taking the marketing/hype building route. Am I sure about this? No, but my experience is telling me they most likely are, and you could make the argument that their sales would be even higher if they made any attempt to pull their fanbase into new releases. I mean this isn't exactly quantum theory we are dealing with here - the advantages of marketing and promotion of products, of creating a hunger, a desire, in the customer base, are integral components of the free market. Marketing is a massive business, and it would not exist if it was just suspended on half-proven theories and hot air.

But the point is, and I have mentioned this in another thread, and the root of this policy is that GW think they have a monopoly within the wargaming industry. This isn't my own thoughts, but rather the words of GW ex-big wig Rick Priestley, who said as much when he left the company a year ago or so, in an interview with 40K radio. As far as GW are concerned, they are the only company in the 'Hobby'. If you do have a monopoly, then the situation changes massively - the fanbase have no option other than to wait with baited breath for each new release, and as such I think the company would indeed benefit from not warning about upcoming releases, as it could impact the sales of those items already on sale.
But, and this is the key here, the industry has arguably never been less of a monopoly since the late 80's and early 90's when GW became the dominant figure in the fantasy miniature wargaming market. Nowadays some estimates place Privateer Press as having a similar market-share percentage to GW in the US, and the other companies have started to make some serious inroads. To give a personal example, I've heard from a friend at Games Day (who had spoken to one of the sculptors) that GW has had a 'Demiurg' (or otherwise 'dwarf in space' line) sat on the shelf and ready for release for some time. It's an army I've wanted for years, but it just so happens that Mantic have released their Forge Father range which is competing directly for demographic of fans who want dwarves in space suits with laser guns. Had I known GW had their own release coming further down the line, I might well have waited. Similarly, the Daemons release took me completely by surprise and I was kind of annoyed that I hadn't had at least a few weeks heads up. Again, I might have waited, but my 'hobby budget' (or the amount I can spend without going on to a diet of ramyen) had already gone a few weeks previously on the new Dropzone Commander (which was fantastically marketed) and one of the Kickstarters.

So, I think the 'no marketing' idea could be appropriate, but it is predicated and entirely reliant on GW being the only player in the marketplace. The moment that changes, then it completely loses its efficacy, depending on how large you view the demographic of wargaming fans who only know about GW to be. Again, in the age of the internet, I would argue that it has never been smaller.

There are many other pieces of evidence which would seem to corroborate this information: The lack of new games being released, the prices rises far and away above competition, the lack of creation of new technologies, the finecast quality-control issues. There are many more. All of these are evidence of a company that thinks it has nothing to fear from any other company within the industry. Unfortunately for GW this is not the case, and for each one of those things that other companies do 'better', they will lose customers. I for one would love them to realise that they have to fight for their throne - with new and dynamic releases, sensible pricing and release schedules, and really use their size and muscle to try and knock some of these younger upstarts out of the ring. Perhaps fortunately for the likes of Privateer Press, for Corvus Belli and Mantic amongst others, GW have been a little slow on the uptake and with each month that passes those other company's chance of success in the market place becomes more assured.

There are worrying precedents for GW in the gradual fall and decline of the motor industry here in the UK. In the latter's case it didn't happen overnight, and was a long, painful and drawn-out series of myopic management decisions. The similarities are many, and I can only hope (and I genuinely mean this - I want GW to do better) that they catch on to the warning signals faster than the now long deposed bosses of the likes of Austin, Rover and many more, who also thought their companies to be in the dominant position when controlling a massive market share.

My thoughts on the matter in any case, sorry for the bit of a wall o' text!



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The bit about the Demiurge is hilarious if true. All these years people have been complaining about Squats and supposedly GW's been sitting on a new range of them the whole time. They were all like, "We could make money off of this .... but NAH."

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From August 17th, Games Workshop are changing their trade terms. This will effect the way that New Release information will be handled.

After August 17th, any shop selling White Dwarf or any New release item before the release date, discussing New Release information or posting images on Facebook, forums etc before release date will be punished by not being allowed to stock New Releases for 6 months !
The word in this case should be "affect" not "effect".

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Black Library seems to willingly engage in marketing. Their books are regular prizes for published letters in SFX magazine and the latest issue (226) has interviews with Nick Kyme and Gav Thorpe. The artwork for the upcoming Ravenwing novel is reproduced on one page and looks stunning. there is a full page advert for Pariah I fail to see why this approach cannot be used for the actual games and miniatures unless GW's fiction is not covered by any contract with New Line.

   
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Black Library and Forgeworld both seem to treat their business like a traditional business. We often find out about upcoming novel or Forgeworld kits long before they can be preordered.

If you consult GW's financial report, both of these departments outperform the rest of GW.

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*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!

Soooo not only are they going to punish the GW stores for the leakage that didnt really have to be a secret BUT they are also going to punish us! their own fanbase! Im sorry right, but Every person who gets a games day ticket now has to give a rant on at the people who made whatever THAT letter, and swear that they are going to switch to PP (even if they are not), its they ONLY way they will be able to listen (after all they are punishing/bullying us for their own failures).

Their Stalinist/Illuminati-like secrecy regime has to stop!!!

/Rant over (I apologise for the rant but we cant stand up to bully-company's like GW any longer!!!).

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xxRavenxx wrote:Rumor has it that at least two stores had their orders of the new edition refused today for infringing the policy by taking preorders based on the leaked WD.
So... GW evidently means business this time.

www.greendragongames.co.uk wrote:They are indeed sticking to their word! They haven't refused us any orders but we got told not to put the standard edition online or action will be taken, we do however (like most retailers) have the limited edition available, problem-free.
Am I reading this right? Everyone knows there is both a "limited" and a standard edition of 40k, but noone is allowed to advertise the standard edition yet despite being able to advertise the "limited" edition?

Apparently so! GW Logic in full effect. Im sure they have their sales driven reasons behind it.


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 Testify wrote:
I remember being on the GW boards when I was about 15 (damn that's nearly 9 years ago). People were saying GW was crashing then, too. Despite rising profits

I also fail to see how GW's marketing is rubbish when they sell out of new releases almost immediately. But I guess you guys know better


Dude, you're 24?!

With no wish to incite anything I genuinely had you pegged at about 15 from reading your posts in this thread. Suffice to say you appear to have a lot to learn about business and the world of commerce.

The fact is GW has an enviable position in its market. A quality product, a solid fanbase and a rich and complex IP. With very little effort it could simply overwhelm the competition by employing its superior resources.

What puzzles me is why it seems not to want to. Its like that bit in The Karate Kid when Mr Miagi has that bloke at his mercy and hooks his nose.

Even with my modest experience with marketing and business development I am convinced I could do better.

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