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The victim’s brother, Jesse Crockett, told police Marin is a “religious zealot” and “heavy drug user,” according to a court affidavit.
Police confirmed there was evidence at the scene that Marin might have been involved in the use of some illegal drugs.
Maybe you could have put some emphasis on his drug abuse too, in the interests of accuracy as well as equality. It'll be interesting to see if mental health issues are at play also
Dreadclaw69 wrote:So the pair of you can stop being disingenuous. Ouze, I expect better from you.
If you were referring to someone else's actions as your are now claiming, that was not evident from your quote. So it's on you however you want to slice it.
Get it? Slice it? Oh man.
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Ouze wrote: If you were referring to someone else's actions as your are now claiming, that was not evident from your quote. So it's on you however you want to slice it.
Get it? Slice it? Oh man.
It was not evident when I quoted the article d-usa posted, replied directly to him, and said "you'? That should have been reasonable sufficient context, my apologies if you mis-read it
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Ouze wrote: Well, you have to discount what he actually said, bro.
You mean;
During Isaiah Marin’s 911 call, “the caller began rambling about sacrificing and magic,” according to the affidavit. “Asked how … he murdered someone, Isaiah stated, ‘I hacked them to death with a machete.’
In August, on one of his Facebook pages, Isaiah Marin wrote, “Tried to take on a demon and God had to help me through the tough parts. Got to be careful with my words and pay closer attention to my emotions. Need to figure out how to keep on speaking when I’m with the presence of the Lord God.”
Please tell me what part of those action, and words, appear to be coming from someone of sound mind and disposition? Please document for me whether these actions are common practice in the Christian tradition, and the frequency in which they occur as part of genuine religious belief.
For bonus points I'll also accept the Christian teachings that undermine the whole "love one another" and "thou shalt not kill"
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: It was not evident when I quoted the article d-usa posted, replied directly to him, and said "you'? That should have been reasonable sufficient context, my apologies if you mis-read it
You didn't reply to him, or anyone else. From what you actually wrote, you seemed to be criticizing the article. So it's not I misread your intent, is it?
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Eh, I see that as a reply to d-usa's post, and the reason the article is quoted is to emphasise the fact the guy is also a drug user by showing the relevant text in the article.
I think this entire argument now though is somewhat proving d-usa's point though already, so cool!
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
See, this is only really funny if you go back and read the first page, where the emphasis was on that the guy was (probably) a muslim, but also a psycho. Now that it was a christian dude, the emphasis is on the fact he's a wacked out tweaker first and also a christian. So, it's kinda funny.
Whembly in particular I feel I should note has been very consistent on the lunatic end of both rather than on the religious bent, I mention that because I didn't want to seem I was making this observation about him.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
To be honest, I don't even need to re-read the thread to expect that.
I think by now none of us would need to.
Broken records and all that.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
Whembly in particular I feel I should note has been very consistent on the lunatic end of both rather than on the religious bent, I mention that because I didn't want to seem I was making this observation about him.
Thanks...
In general, I think the distinction needs to be made that perps who does this use their religion as an excuse to justify their actions... rather, than arguing that these folks do these things becauseof their religion.
Ouze wrote: See, this is only really funny if you go back and read the first page, where the emphasis was on that the guy was (probably) a muslim, but also a psycho. Now that it was a christian dude, the emphasis is on the fact he's a wacked out tweaker first and also a christian. So, it's kinda funny.
You know what else is kind of funny? That the only person who pointed out this attacker's drug use was me. And I did not reply on the first page of this thread. I also did not emphasize that attacker in the OP was Muslim. In fact upon reviewing the thread I made no reference to the attacker's religion. So please do not use the words of others as a tool to beat me with. I am responsible for what I say, and at no time in this thread did display the double standard of which you now complain.
Ouze wrote: See, this is only really funny if you go back and read the first page, where the emphasis was on that the guy was (probably) a muslim, but also a psycho. Now that it was a christian dude, the emphasis is on the fact he's a wacked out tweaker first and also a christian. So, it's kinda funny.
You know what else is kind of funny? That the only person who pointed out this attacker's drug use was me.
Well, you and several instances in the article in question.
It's almost like I tried to hide it by posting it, I can't believe my trick failed!
Watching the media and politicians in Oklahoma, it is amazing (but not surprising) how two cases that are so similar get such different treatments. And that's not even talking about social media. I've been meaning to keep a running total of "people murdered in Oklahoma but nobody cares unless the killer is Muslim", but then we get this joker with the same amount of religious influence in his behavior (fanatical, social media posts about their religions, get in fights with others about their religions) and the same amount of religious cause in their motivations for murder (none).
Couldn't ask for a better example of double standards.
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d-usa wrote: It's almost like I tried to hide it by posting it, I can't believe my trick failed!
Watching the media and politicians in Oklahoma, it is amazing (but not surprising) how two cases that are so similar get such different treatments. And that's not even talking about social media. I've been meaning to keep a running total of "people murdered in Oklahoma but nobody cares unless the killer is Muslim", but then we get this joker with the same amount of religious influence in his behavior (fanatical, social media posts about their religions, get in fights with others about their religions) and the same amount of religious cause in their motivations for murder (none).
Couldn't ask for a better example of double standards.
Have any of the Muslim inspired attackers been heavy drug users?
Would you agree that, even if religion was the primary factor in both cases, that Islam has a much greater proportion of dangerous crazies? Christianity produces so few as to be safely ignored, Islam doesn't.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: Was it ever established that this was purely religion based?
The OP was a guy who was pissed that he got fired and attacked the women because they were white and he felt that they didn't like him because he was black. It would be fitting of a hate-crime prosecution IMO, but it had nothing to do with his religion.
d-usa wrote: It's almost like I tried to hide it by posting it, I can't believe my trick failed!
Watching the media and politicians in Oklahoma, it is amazing (but not surprising) how two cases that are so similar get such different treatments. And that's not even talking about social media. I've been meaning to keep a running total of "people murdered in Oklahoma but nobody cares unless the killer is Muslim", but then we get this joker with the same amount of religious influence in his behavior (fanatical, social media posts about their religions, get in fights with others about their religions) and the same amount of religious cause in their motivations for murder (none).
Couldn't ask for a better example of double standards.
Have any of the Muslim inspired attackers been heavy drug users?
The Muslim guy was in prison a few times for drug possession, so make of that what you will.
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d-usa wrote: It's almost like I tried to hide it by posting it, I can't believe my trick failed!
You mean like a custom URL that you typed that only focused on his religion, and made no mention of the drug abuse?
You mean the whole fething article that I posted? The article with many words in it? With some of these words clearly stating what I am apparently hiding?
STILLWATER — Covered in blood and still holding a large knife that police say he’d used just minutes before to nearly decapitate his brother’s roommate, Isaiah Zoar Marin dialed 911.
“I murdered someone,” Marin told the operator.
Moments later Wednesday afternoon, police say they found Marin running west near a car dealership on State Highway 51, still carrying the weapon. When they asked Marin where he was coming from, authorities say Marin directed them to a nearby apartment where they found the body of Jacob Andrew Crockett, 19, of Stillwater.
On Thursday, Marin, 21, was charged with first-degree murder. Police say Marin confessed to killing Crockett. The men had been classmates at Stillwater High School, the school’s principal said.
Crockett is the son of an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper, police said.
During a video arraignment Thursday afternoon in front of Payne County Special Judge Robert Hert, Marin’s voice sputtered and he appeared to cry as he answered the judge’s questions. Marin was ordered held without bail. He is due back in court Dec. 1.
At a news conference earlier in the day, Stillwater police Capt. Randy Dickerson said Marin admitted to authorities “that he had fantasized recently about committing multiple homicides” and that the victim was “one of his intended targets.”
“The conversation was that he had planned to to do it all at one time,” the police captain said.
The victim’s brother, Jesse Crockett, told police Marin is a “religious zealot” and “heavy drug user,” according to a court affidavit.
Police confirmed there was evidence at the scene that Marin might have been involved in the use of some illegal drugs.
The defendant’s brother, Samuel Marin, said “in the past Jacob and Isaiah had disagreements because Jacob and Jesse were practicing witchcraft and Isaiah had strong Christian beliefs,” a Stillwater police officer reported in the affidavit.
Dickerson was quick to point out at the news conference that the case was not related to recent cases of beheadings by Islamic extremists — including the attack in September by an Islamic convert at Vaughan Foods in Moore.
The police officer who wrote the affidavit, Jeff Watts, reported that the victim had what appeared to be multiple deep slash and stab wounds and the “head was mostly severed from his body.”
Samuel Marin said he and Isaiah Marin were playing a card game in the apartment when “Isaiah picked up a large black sword and removed it from a sheath … and began swinging the sword around,” the officer reported.
Court records show that Samuel Marin and Jesse and Jacob Crockett were roommates in an apartment at 416 S Oakdale, Apt. 6.
Samuel Marin said he asked his brother to be careful and Isaiah replied, “I would never cut you bro,” according to the affidavit.
Samuel Marin said he then heard the noise of someone getting stabbed and looked up “and saw Jacob stand up and blood gushing from his chest,” the detective reported.
Samuel Marin said he fled the apartment, but his brother followed him, trying to calm him down, according to the affidavit.
“Samuel said Isaiah stated he would explain why he killed Jacob from letters he would write while he was in prison,” according to the affidavit.
The defendant’s brother also told police “Isaiah had been watching YouTube videos related to his Christian beliefs and the Book of Matthew” earlier.
During Isaiah Marin’s 911 call, “the caller began rambling about sacrificing and magic,” according to the affidavit. “Asked how … he murdered someone, Isaiah stated, ‘I hacked them to death with a machete.’”
In August, on one of his Facebook pages, Isaiah Marin wrote, “Tried to take on a demon and God had to help me through the tough parts. Got to be careful with my words and pay closer attention to my emotions. Need to figure out how to keep on speaking when I’m with the presence of the Lord God.”
Dickerson said the killing happened at the apartment on S Oakdale, on the west side of Stillwater.
Isaiah Marin was taken into custody after he was found by police jogging along State Highway 51, Dickerson said.
Witnesses called police to say they saw a blood-covered man walking near a car dealership along the highway.
Trish Ellis, a saleswoman at the Janzen Toyota car dealership along SH 51, said “We saw him coming through the parking lot covered in blood. I thought it was a Halloween costume at first, but then people started to get frightened when they saw his weapon.”
Witnesses said Isaiah Marin was taken into custody just west of the car dealership, along the side of the roadway.
The complex of two-story apartments where Jacob Crockett’s body was found is located behind the dealership, which is on the north side of the highway.
A neighbor at the apartment, who declined to give his name, said Jacob and Jesse Crockett were in a “heavy metal band.”
“They were outstanding guys, they were always really respectful,” the neighbor said Thursday afternoon.
Police said Jacob Crockett was a student at the Northern Oklahoma College campus in Stillwater.
Dickerson said the fact that Jacob Crockett’s father is a state trooper has not been shown to be a motive in the case.
Jacob Crockett graduated from Stillwater High School this year, Principal Uwe Gordon said. Isaiah Marin graduated in 2012.
Gordon described Crockett as “an amazing character.”
“I love that kid,” Gordon said. “He was unique and appreciated others’ uniqueness.”
He said students on Thursday expressed concern after hearing about Crockett’s death, and some were asking about the funeral.
“It’s been a tough week for Stillwater High School,” he said.
Marin had worked at a popular Mexican restaurant, El Vaquero, on Stillwater’s west side. Employees there said he was a part-time bus boy for about three weeks before he quit. Workers said they could not recall much about him.
But yeah, you can make the argument that I tried to hide it by posting it. It's an argument that makes you look pretty foolish, but you can make it.
d-usa wrote: It's almost like I tried to hide it by posting it, I can't believe my trick failed!
You mean like a custom URL that you typed that only focused on his religion, and made no mention of the drug abuse?
You mean the whole fething article that I posted? The article with many words in it? With some of these words clearly stating what I am apparently hiding?
STILLWATER — Covered in blood and still holding a large knife that police say he’d used just minutes before to nearly decapitate his brother’s roommate, Isaiah Zoar Marin dialed 911.
“I murdered someone,” Marin told the operator.
Moments later Wednesday afternoon, police say they found Marin running west near a car dealership on State Highway 51, still carrying the weapon. When they asked Marin where he was coming from, authorities say Marin directed them to a nearby apartment where they found the body of Jacob Andrew Crockett, 19, of Stillwater.
On Thursday, Marin, 21, was charged with first-degree murder. Police say Marin confessed to killing Crockett. The men had been classmates at Stillwater High School, the school’s principal said.
Crockett is the son of an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper, police said.
During a video arraignment Thursday afternoon in front of Payne County Special Judge Robert Hert, Marin’s voice sputtered and he appeared to cry as he answered the judge’s questions. Marin was ordered held without bail. He is due back in court Dec. 1.
At a news conference earlier in the day, Stillwater police Capt. Randy Dickerson said Marin admitted to authorities “that he had fantasized recently about committing multiple homicides” and that the victim was “one of his intended targets.”
“The conversation was that he had planned to to do it all at one time,” the police captain said.
The victim’s brother, Jesse Crockett, told police Marin is a “religious zealot” and “heavy drug user,” according to a court affidavit.
Police confirmed there was evidence at the scene that Marin might have been involved in the use of some illegal drugs.
The defendant’s brother, Samuel Marin, said “in the past Jacob and Isaiah had disagreements because Jacob and Jesse were practicing witchcraft and Isaiah had strong Christian beliefs,” a Stillwater police officer reported in the affidavit.
Dickerson was quick to point out at the news conference that the case was not related to recent cases of beheadings by Islamic extremists — including the attack in September by an Islamic convert at Vaughan Foods in Moore.
The police officer who wrote the affidavit, Jeff Watts, reported that the victim had what appeared to be multiple deep slash and stab wounds and the “head was mostly severed from his body.”
Samuel Marin said he and Isaiah Marin were playing a card game in the apartment when “Isaiah picked up a large black sword and removed it from a sheath … and began swinging the sword around,” the officer reported.
Court records show that Samuel Marin and Jesse and Jacob Crockett were roommates in an apartment at 416 S Oakdale, Apt. 6.
Samuel Marin said he asked his brother to be careful and Isaiah replied, “I would never cut you bro,” according to the affidavit.
Samuel Marin said he then heard the noise of someone getting stabbed and looked up “and saw Jacob stand up and blood gushing from his chest,” the detective reported.
Samuel Marin said he fled the apartment, but his brother followed him, trying to calm him down, according to the affidavit.
“Samuel said Isaiah stated he would explain why he killed Jacob from letters he would write while he was in prison,” according to the affidavit.
The defendant’s brother also told police “Isaiah had been watching YouTube videos related to his Christian beliefs and the Book of Matthew” earlier.
During Isaiah Marin’s 911 call, “the caller began rambling about sacrificing and magic,” according to the affidavit. “Asked how … he murdered someone, Isaiah stated, ‘I hacked them to death with a machete.’”
In August, on one of his Facebook pages, Isaiah Marin wrote, “Tried to take on a demon and God had to help me through the tough parts. Got to be careful with my words and pay closer attention to my emotions. Need to figure out how to keep on speaking when I’m with the presence of the Lord God.”
Dickerson said the killing happened at the apartment on S Oakdale, on the west side of Stillwater.
Isaiah Marin was taken into custody after he was found by police jogging along State Highway 51, Dickerson said.
Witnesses called police to say they saw a blood-covered man walking near a car dealership along the highway.
Trish Ellis, a saleswoman at the Janzen Toyota car dealership along SH 51, said “We saw him coming through the parking lot covered in blood. I thought it was a Halloween costume at first, but then people started to get frightened when they saw his weapon.”
Witnesses said Isaiah Marin was taken into custody just west of the car dealership, along the side of the roadway.
The complex of two-story apartments where Jacob Crockett’s body was found is located behind the dealership, which is on the north side of the highway.
A neighbor at the apartment, who declined to give his name, said Jacob and Jesse Crockett were in a “heavy metal band.”
“They were outstanding guys, they were always really respectful,” the neighbor said Thursday afternoon.
Police said Jacob Crockett was a student at the Northern Oklahoma College campus in Stillwater.
Dickerson said the fact that Jacob Crockett’s father is a state trooper has not been shown to be a motive in the case.
Jacob Crockett graduated from Stillwater High School this year, Principal Uwe Gordon said. Isaiah Marin graduated in 2012.
Gordon described Crockett as “an amazing character.”
“I love that kid,” Gordon said. “He was unique and appreciated others’ uniqueness.”
He said students on Thursday expressed concern after hearing about Crockett’s death, and some were asking about the funeral.
“It’s been a tough week for Stillwater High School,” he said.
Marin had worked at a popular Mexican restaurant, El Vaquero, on Stillwater’s west side. Employees there said he was a part-time bus boy for about three weeks before he quit. Workers said they could not recall much about him.
But yeah, you can make the argument that I tried to hide it by posting it. It's an argument that makes you look pretty foolish, but you can make it.
Except that isn't what I said. Stop pretending that it is. What I said was "You mean like a custom URL that you typed that only focused on his religion, and made no mention of the drug abuse?". You choose to type that. You chose to put the emphasis on the religion and not the drugs. Why the omission unless you wanted to highlight one aspect and ignore the other?
I presented all the facts, in the same way the OP was presented. I didn't leave anything out since I posted the story that included every fact. It is interesting to see how people react when a Christian does the exact same thing and when the story is presented the exact same way. It's also telling to see people try to highlight different things in one story while being silent during the other.
But again, I presented nothing but correct facts in the naming of the link, and I presented nothing but correct facts by posting the whole story. He was a fanatical Christian and he beheaded someone. I didn't infer a casual relationship and I never pretended that nothing else could be a contributing cause.
I wouldn't convert to Islam because they have food rules, that more then the 5 times a day prayer thing... I mean I don't tango with religions that get in the way of me and food lol
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the shrouded lord wrote: christians also killed hundreds of inoscent women during the witch-hunts....
The number of people supposedly killed in witch hunts is way over-exaggerated. They were not common events. A few hundred people over several thousand years shouldn't ever register on the "give a gak o-meter"
And witch hunts actually owed more of their origins to pagan traditions than to Christianity.
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I think the Roman Empire killed more Christians in the Colosseum then Hard Line Christians executing individuals for witch craft
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Jihadin wrote: I think the Roman Empire killed more Christians in the Colosseum then Hard Line Christians executing individuals for witch craft
More probably died in a single year.
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Neither I, nor the article declares that it is Christians behind the burnings. Still, this really isn't an issue to be trivialized.
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