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MOORE, Okla. – Officials with the Moore Police Department say the FBI is now involved in the investigation related to a brutal attack of workers at a food distribution plant.
Sgt. Jeremy Lewis says the alleged suspect, 30-year-old Alton Nolen had just been fired when he drove to the front of the business, hit a vehicle and walked inside.
He walked into the front office area where he met 54-year-old Colleen Hufford and began attacking her with a knife.
Sgt. Lewis confirms the type of knife used in the attack is the same kind used at the plant.
Lewis confirms that Hufford was stabbed several times and that Nolen “severed her head.”
At that point, Lewis claims Nolen met 43-year-old Traci Johnson and began attacking her with the same knife.
Officials say at that point, Mark Vaughan, an Oklahoma County reserve deputy and a former CEO of the business, shot him as he was actively stabbing Johnson.
“He’s a hero in this situation,” Sgt. Lewis said, referring to Vaughan. “It could have gotten a lot worse.”
Authorities say it appears Nolen was attacking employees at random.
Johnson is in stable condition at a local hospital, recovering from her injuries.
The FBI is now looking into Nolen’s background after his former co-workers said he tried to convert them to Islam after recently converting himself.
Lewis says the FBI is working in conjunction with the Moore Police Department, especially when it comes to the religious aspect of the case.
At this time, it is not known if the suspect’s beliefs played a role in the attack.
Vaughan Foods released the following statement about the attack:
“On behalf of everyone at Vaughan Foods, we are shocked and deeply saddened by the events of today. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of the team member we lost and all those affected. Our focus is on the safety and well-being of our employees. We will provide counseling and support for our team members and support each other through this difficult time. We are working with authorities on this active investigation and ask that you direct your questions to local law enforcement.”
The Moore Police Department released the 911 tapes associated with the attack.
911 Caller: “Shut the door, shut the door!”
Dispatcher: “Moore 911, where is your emergency?”
911 Caller: “Vaughan Foods, Moore, Oklahoma, 216 N.E. 12th St. We have..”
Dispatcher: “What’s going on there?”
911 Caller: “We have someone attacking someone in the building. I was just informed. I’m in the..”
Dispatcher: “Okay, where are they at?”
911 Caller: “Inside, are they in the office? They’re in the office, front office of the building. Yeah, we can hear a lot of screaming. We’re actually in a different office but someone just came in here yelling.”
Dispatcher: “315. Okay, do you know where they’re at in the building?”
911 Caller: “In the front of the building, there’s our main entrance.”
Dispatcher: “Okay, do you know where he is at in the plant?”
911 Caller: “We know that he’s loose. He has stabbed someone.”
Dispatcher: “Yeah, we’ve got medical en route for them.
911 Caller: “Okay.”
Dispatcher: “Is anybody with him or do you know?”
911 Caller: “Hold on, my (garbled.)
Dispatcher: “Respond on lacerations. Vaughan Foods, 216, go ahead sir, N.E. 12th.”
911 Caller: “I’m going to put you on speakerphone for one second, okay?”
Dispatcher: “Standby on a map. Page 1608, time out.”
911 Caller: “Okay, so we don’t know where the person went and he went through our front office, went through the shipping office and stabbed a woman in our customer service department.”
Dispatcher: “Okay, did he know her? Do you know, is that who he was arguing with? Is she an employee?”
911 Caller: “She is an employee, yeah.”
Dispatcher: “Okay, thank you.”
911 Caller: “Lock that door.”
Dispatcher: “Yeah, go ahead lock everybody in there if you can.”
911 Caller: “Yeah, we’re trying. Okay, can you hear this in the background?”
(yelling)
Dispatcher: “Is that him? He’s back?”
911 Caller: “Yeah, it sounds like he’s running around out here.”
(loud bangs)
911 Caller: “And that, that’s a gun shot.”
Dispatcher: “Got a gun shot. Units responding to Vaughan Foods, be advised we do now have gunshots. Okay, do you know where he’s at now?”
911 Caller: “He’s in the hallway, outside of the center of the building.”
Dispatcher: “Maybe in the hallway in the center of the building. And how many more shots have you heard?”
911 Caller: “We’ve heard three.”
Dispatcher: “Three shots?”
911 Caller: “Now I’m hearing somebody yelling in the hallway, stay down.”
Dispatcher: “There’s another subject yelling in the hallway. Units be advised that there’s another subject yelling in the hallway. Still same amount of injuries.”
911 Caller: “Stay down, stay down.”
ORIGINAL STORY: We’re learning more details about a brutal crime that left one woman dead and sent two other people to an Oklahoma hospital.
Around 4:05 p.m. on Thursday afternoon, authorities were called to N.E. 12th St. after receiving reports of a shooting or stabbing near a business.
Sgt. Jeremy Lewis, with the Moore Police Department, said it was not an active shooter situation but could confirm that an officer was involved in a shooting at the Vaughan Foods distribution warehouse.
Lewis says 30-year-old Alton Nolen attacked one woman inside the business, who later died from her injuries.
NewsChannel 4 has learned Nolen allegedly beheaded her following a workplace dispute.
The deceased victim has been identified as 54-year-old Colleen Hufford.
Police say he also tried to kill another woman, officials say.
Sgt. Lewis says Nolen was attacking another woman when an off-duty sheriff’s deputy, who was also the former CEO of the business, shot him multiple times with a rifle.
Nolen and the second victim were taken to OU Medical Center in critical condition.
Authorities say Nolen has no relation to the victims.
There were as many as 300 workers inside of the warehouse at the time of the incident.
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LordofHats wrote: I'm afraid points may only be awarded if the gun is accompanied by the line "Get off my lawn."
Not necessarily true. If the weapon is confirmed to be a shotgun, then "Get off my lawn" is indeed mandatory.
Otherwise, there are many other acceptable lines. Including but not limited to "Ya feeling lucky? Punk?" and "You have 30 seconds to comply!"
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: And just when I was thinking, "Wow, you usually don't see good ole Gawd-Fearin' 'Mericans beheading people...
You're right, because no American has ever stabbed someone to death and dismembered them...
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: And just when I was thinking, "Wow, you usually don't see good ole Gawd-Fearin' 'Mericans beheading people...
You're right, because no American has ever stabbed someone to death and dismembered them...
Usually people who do that at least try to be subtle.
Plenty of people get stabbed in broad daylight, but dismemberment is rarely done brazenly. It seems to be a favorite of Islamic extremists though.
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My expectations form the predictable people in my lovely home state:
1) The Islamic Organizations in this State are going to condemn his actions, like they have to do every single time anybody that is Muslim does anything bad anywhere on the planet.
2) The State Chair of the GOP is going to explain that this is nothing unusual and exactly what we should expect from Muslims because their only goal in life is to kill every non-Muslim.
3) The Islamophobes in this stupid state are going to eat it up and run along with it.
4) The entire state is going to go ape-gak crazy because of this while either forgetting or willfully ignoring that one time when a certain white guy did this:
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A cult inspiration hardly qualifies as "christian".
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Guys, we are all getting ahead of ourselves. We need to just breath and keep a cool head. This guy does not represent most good muslims.
We all have a good head on out shoulders, lets keep it that way
And "extremist views held by a minority of adherents of a religion hardly qualifies as "Islam".
But hey, it's easy to distance yourself from your own extremists while painting others with a broad brush.
Well, when you consider that the Koran does advocate violence as an acceptable means of spreading that faith and also that the Bible definitely does not advocate violence to spread the faith...
The only difference between Islamic extremists and the less extreme members is how hard they stress that bit.
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Because who gives a feth that the vast majority of fething Muslims who actually practice the fething religion and read the fething book and know the fething rules that they are supposed to fething follow always condemn the fething idiots who do this gak and make it fething clear that fething killing people is not a part of their fething religion and that "you got me fired bitch, Jihad on you I'm cutting off your head" is not a fething rule in their religion.
I'm glad that you and others know so much more about another religion than the people who actually follow it.
Meanwhile I'm going to stop by the Bombing Memorial tomorrow and wonder how people can already forget the biggest terrorist attack on American soil prior to 9/11 and that it was a white Christian right-wing military veteran extremist who committed that act and how whites, Christians, right-wingers, and military veterans are not painted with the same brush as the idiot who set off the bomb. Maybe someday this state can remember that extremists don't represent every member of the group that they are affiliated with.
But feth it, this thread is only going to get me red-texted.
So I'm out.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Guys, we are all getting ahead of ourselves. We need to just breath and keep a cool head. This guy does not represent most good muslims.
We all have a good head on out shoulders, lets keep it that way
Other articles note he recently was trying to convert others to Islam. Awesome.
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Plenty of people get stabbed in broad daylight, but dismemberment is rarely done brazenly. It seems to be a favorite of Islamic extremists though.
Only if you want to see it that way.
While not an American, there was this guy and there was this lady as well (granted it was only a partial decapitation).
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
For what it's worth this fine outstanding Muslim already served prison time for :
-Possession Of Controlled Dangerous Substance With Intent To Distribute Cocaine
-Poss Of Controlled Substance
-Escape From Detention
-Two separate instances of Assault And Battery On A Police Officer two years apart.
But hey, I'm sure he was a fine outstanding citizen prior to his recent conversion and it was that nasty Islam that made him go all violent.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Guys, we are all getting ahead of ourselves. We need to just breath and keep a cool head. This guy does not represent most good muslims.
We all have a good head on out shoulders, lets keep it that way
Other articles note he recently was trying to convert others to Islam. Awesome.
We still don't know that's relevant.
Apparently, Nolan survived the shooting, so they'll be able to it straight from the horse's mouth.
Still looks like it's a "Going Postal™" ordeal... rather than some Lone Wolf scenario.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Guys, we are all getting ahead of ourselves. We need to just breath and keep a cool head. This guy does not represent most good muslims.
We all have a good head on out shoulders, lets keep it that way
It was so badly done and blatantly forced, most people ignored it, Necro.
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d-usa wrote: My expectations form the predictable people in my lovely home state:
1) The Islamic Organizations in this State are going to condemn his actions, like they have to do every single time anybody that is Muslim does anything bad anywhere on the planet.
2) The State Chair of the GOP is going to explain that this is nothing unusual and exactly what we should expect from Muslims because their only goal in life is to kill every non-Muslim.
3) The Islamophobes in this stupid state are going to eat it up and run along with it.
4) The entire state is going to go ape-gak crazy because of this while either forgetting or willfully ignoring that one time when a certain white guy did this:
Just want to point out Oklahoma City Bombing done by Timothy McViegh was not done for a religious cause.
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And "extremist views held by a minority of adherents of a religion hardly qualifies as "Islam".
But hey, it's easy to distance yourself from your own extremists while painting others with a broad brush.
Man, that Woman and the people in that hall are all terrible. Clapping and cheering at that? Enjoy your hate parade. Morons.
Where's the talk of the bombings, the destabilisation of nations and the propping up of dictators that the US government propogates? It's so easy to say that it's their problem for being angry, despite the fact that Western Governments are largely responsible for a lot of that anger.
And "extremist views held by a minority of adherents of a religion hardly qualifies as "Islam".
But hey, it's easy to distance yourself from your own extremists while painting others with a broad brush.
Man, that Woman and the people in that hall are all terrible. Clapping and cheering at that? Enjoy your hate parade. Morons.
Where's the talk of the bombings, the destabilisation of nations and the propping up of dictators that the US government propogates? It's so easy to say that it's their problem for being angry, despite the fact that Western Governments are largely responsible for a lot of that anger.
It's getting offtopic here, but Western Government is not the cause for the extremism in the Mid-east.
d-usa wrote: My expectations form the predictable people in my lovely home state:
1) The Islamic Organizations in this State are going to condemn his actions, like they have to do every single time anybody that is Muslim does anything bad anywhere on the planet.
2) The State Chair of the GOP is going to explain that this is nothing unusual and exactly what we should expect from Muslims because their only goal in life is to kill every non-Muslim.
3) The Islamophobes in this stupid state are going to eat it up and run along with it.
4) The entire state is going to go ape-gak crazy because of this while either forgetting or willfully ignoring that one time when a certain white guy did this:
Just want to point out Oklahoma City Bombing done by Timothy McViegh was not done for a religious cause.
And as far as we currently know this murder was because he got fired, and was not done for a religious cause.
But people see the words "muslim" and obviously the only conclusion is homegrown terrorism. Ignoring the fact that he just got fired and had previously been arrested multiple times, nope! It must be because he's a muslim.
And as far as we currently know this murder was because he got fired, and was not done for a religious cause.
But people see the words "muslim" and obviously the only conclusion is homegrown terrorism. Ignoring the fact that he just got fired and had previously been arrested multiple times, nope! It must be because he's a muslim.
I think it's because of the beheading...
It was obviously important to Alton Nolen, or else why spend the time, energy and muscle-power to do it?
So the obvious question is: Why was this important to him to do that?
And you know who else behead peoples? Look on the news...
Could simply be some sort of fantasy copy-cat fetish too...
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Here's a thought experiment:
Take the exact same article as in the OP, but replace the words "muslim" with "evangelical christian", so rather than having recently converted to Islam, he had recently converted to Christianity, and rather than trying to convert his colleagues to Islam, he had tried to convert them to Christianity.
How do you think the reactions to the news would differ to currently?
Do you think people might be focusing on his criminal record? Calling him criminal scum, maybe? Completely ignoring any possible religious connotation? Can you say, entirely honestly, that people would be blaming it on his religion?
It's the usual, "HE'S A TERRORIST, ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!" routine. Being Muslim does not mean terrorist. We have religious extremists everywhere (Catholic vs Protestant), but they are just that, extremeist. The fact that he had converted to islam should not have been put in there, and any decent new orgniation would not have done it.
And to the "Quran is violent." crowd, so is the bible.
It was obviously important to Alton Nolen, or else why spend the time, energy and muscle-power to do it?
So the obvious question is: Why was this important to him to do that?
And you know who else behead peoples? Look on the news...
Could simply be some sort of fantasy copy-cat fetish too...
Except it used to be called "decapitation" (see my above post with a few instances where someone was murdered and decapitated) when someone did it, but now we call it a "beheading" to make it sound extra brutal and medieval, which is how we characterize our enemies.
The story says he repeatedly stabbed her and then "severed her head" but it doesn't say where he initially attacked her nor how large a knife he used. If you stab someone enough times in the neck, you can cause complete or near decapitation, which is similar to what happened to Nicole Brown Simpson.
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