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The Skitarii one is a bit naff honestly. With doctrinae, they're gonna be BS5+ for most of the game, so you'll mostly just be rerolling 1's for the most part. Restricting you to one Onager is pretty crap too as it undermines their key strength (battle harmonics)

Well I ordered 2 lizardmen ones and 2 chaos warrior ones for my Kings of War projects I'm working on. I love that I can get a new Carnosaur for 25% off and get a regiment of saurus warriors and coldone cav for free. And the Chaos ones are nice even if part of the value is the sorcerer but I'll probably sell one of those off. The rest of the kit is perfect.

nudibranch wrote:
The Skitarii one is a bit naff honestly. With doctrinae, they're gonna be BS5+ for most of the game, so you'll mostly just be rerolling 1's for the most part. Restricting you to one Onager is pretty crap too as it undermines their key strength (battle harmonics)

The intent of the formation is to simply allow someone to play a game with what's in the box.

 the_Armyman wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
The Skitarii one is a bit naff honestly. With doctrinae, they're gonna be BS5+ for most of the game, so you'll mostly just be rerolling 1's for the most part. Restricting you to one Onager is pretty crap too as it undermines their key strength (battle harmonics)

The intent of the formation is to simply allow someone to play a game with what's in the box.

I mean, it's also not too bad in that rerolls are never a bad thing, even if you're hitting on 2s. Especially if those Vanguard are taking Plasma Calivers.

I'm ordering a couple of them Skitarii/Cult boxes. I don't quite care about the formation since I'm fielding a Cohort Cybernetica already and my group has tight restrictions on the number of formations/detachments we can deploy, but the Onager and extra priests and vanguards will come handy

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"It's cray cray that Skitarii don't have an HQ."


<time passes>


"It's cray cray that Skitarii can have an HQ."

They still can't have one though. All this does is let you take one in a formation with Skitarii unit. There are still two seperate admech armies for some stupid reason and the dominus only works for the Cult Mechanicus. I was really hoping it would give you a simple Force Org of some kind, like say 1 Dominus , 1-3 Vanguard OR Rangers, and 1-2 Onager units so you'd basically have a mini codex to start out with a couple of boxes, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

All this formation does is let you play with the contents of the box sans codex. Ironically the formation only allows vanguard, when Rangers are on the box art, so if you wanted to build rangers they would be useless for the formation too. Pretty limiting and it's not like rerolls would've made the rangers OP.

Honestly for new players the Skitarii one is just going to be confusing as the vanguard and onager have doctrina imperatives and the Dominus has canticles. It would have been better if the special rule was that all units in the formation have canticles and doctrinae, making it a mini cohort Mechanicus.

If you think about it, the Skitarii box is probably the worst for a new player, because it requires you to make two codex purchases ($66 vs. $50), and both of those codexes contain a crazy number of special rules. On top of the warlord traits, army-wide rules, Doctrina Imperatives, and Canticles, practically every unit and every weapon has a unique special rule.

 the_Armyman wrote:
If you think about it, the Skitarii box is probably the worst for a new player, because it requires you to make two codex purchases ($66 vs. $50), and both of those codexes contain a crazy number of special rules. On top of the warlord traits, army-wide rules, Doctrina Imperatives, and Canticles, practically every unit and every weapon has a unique special rule.

It really doesn't, if the rules contained within these boxes are anything like the recent Tau and Raven Guard boxes.
Everything you needed to field the boxes were included. You could field those as Allied Detachments without purchasing a single additional box.


It only becomes an issue if the new player genuinely wants to run both armies--which isn't necessary despite what people like to say.

Then you're assuming a lot more than I am. Plastic sprues, instruction sheet, bases, decals, and a piece of paper for the formation are all I'm expecting. We'll know who's correct in a few days.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Then you're assuming a lot more than I am. Plastic sprues, instruction sheet, bases, decals, and a piece of paper for the formation are all I'm expecting. We'll know who's correct in a few days.

I am assuming a lot, but given that the product description is really close to what we've seen with AoS and 40k stuff that includes rules?

I'm fairly confident in saying that yes, this will be a "you don't need supplementary products" unless you want the full rules for something that might be in the main 40k rule set.

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Please don't advocate illegal activities on DakkaDakka. Thanks!

Some people have better morals than that. Have fun stealing other peoples hard work

Wahey, a scumbag!

The SM formation is gonna get real cheesy if it includes Dreads. Rifleman/PC Dreads are gonna be super worth it.

Bi'ios wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Anyone who is paying for actual codex's these days is making choice to burn money considering that you can get them for free online with about 5 minutes of googling and downloading.

Some people have better morals than that. Have fun stealing other peoples hard work

BrookM wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Anyone who is paying for actual codex's these days is making choice to burn money considering that you can get them for free online with about 5 minutes of googling and downloading.

Wahey, a scumbag!

So buying two $50 dollar codexes to run an army is a sane alternative now? (yes I know they have the deal of $66 both right now but I doubt that'll last) Not even Battlefront with their 200+ gloss paged hardbacks charge that much, and they have dramatically more content. Grey Wolf alone has essentially 3 different nations and probably 30+ unique lists in it, all for $30 USA.

What other game do you know of where in order to run your army legally (if we're talking a combined cult/skitarii force) you need to spend almost TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS US in rulebooks alone (both codex and the main rules)? I can't even imagine how much the rules must be for poor Australians.

I don't blame anyone for downloading the codexes offline. The prices for the codex are insane. I'm glad they're doing deals on the models now but they need to drop the insane price on the books too if they want to make real progress. The bundle for the admech books is a step in the right direction but honestly those codex should be $30 AT MOST.

Be that as it may, stealing is wrong.

So, imagine I buy the SM formation, I put the tac and the dread in pods, the captain in a pod too (maybe with a command squad).
They drop, and shoot twice ?
That's great.
If your tac has a melta, a multi melta (or grav can) and a combi melta, that's is 3 melta shoots + the heavy weapon.
A simple tac begins a honest threat for every vehicle.
A dread who shoots 8 times with his assault cannon ?!
And twice with his heavy flamer ?^^
Ok, it is not a top tier formation, but it seems OK for me.

 BrookM wrote:
Be that as it may, stealing is wrong.

That's... not actually the right word, but ok.

I won't endorse downloading a book without paying for it because I'm told that would be "wrong". But I do really hope that the rules are included in the boxes otherwise certain sites are going to see increased downloads on various pdf files, and I will be none too perplexed about it.


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 godardc wrote:
So, imagine I buy the SM formation, I put the tac and the dread in pods, the captain in a pod too (maybe with a command squad).
They drop, and shoot twice ?
That's great.
If your tac has a melta, a multi melta (or grav can) and a combi melta, that's is 3 melta shoots + the heavy weapon.
A simple tac begins a honest threat for every vehicle.
A dread who shoots 8 times with his assault cannon ?!
And twice with his heavy flamer ?^^
Ok, it is not a top tier formation, but it seems OK for me.

Doesn't disembarking from a Drop Pod count as moving? I don't think you can do the double-tap the turn you come out.

Look, this thread is not the place to boast about not paying for rules and whatnot.

 BrookM wrote:
Look, this thread is not the place to boast about not paying for rules and whatnot.

Nor is it a place to shame someone for something they may or may not have paid for.

Yeah, I'm afraid you're right...
And even if rifle man dred could be awesome, do you really want to pay that terminator captain ? Is it worth it ?
Suddenly, the formation seems meh^^

Perhaps these formations come without point costs and should just be fielded as is, against other formations from the same range.

Requizen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Look, this thread is not the place to boast about not paying for rules and whatnot.

Nor is it a place to shame someone for something they may or may not have paid for.

Why? Maybe more people need to be shamed these days when they act like a jerk. Social shunning as a tool of social order is terribly underused, IMO.

Sorry for the rude remark, it was out of line, but I so hate it when people casually remark things like that. It just reminds me of some people at my own local store who show up with tatty printed codex pages or play it "mentally" because they think the books are too expensive and don't want to support a store where the tables and terrain are free to use.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Social shunning as a tool of social order is terribly underused, IMO.

Apparently you've never heard of Twitter...

#leavepeoplewhorefusetobuyanarmybookalone?

 BrookM wrote:
Look, this thread is not the place to boast about not paying for rules and whatnot.

Someone should tell GW that with the codex prices

Alright I'm done, no more derailing.

Who knows, with all the positive changes we've seen so far, maybe that will change soon? The admech bundle hopefully means they're aware of how ridiculous its gotten. And honestly those should have been one codex from the start anyways

God I hope some little newbies try to actually play these against each other.

"Okay, I'm bs7 and I get to reroll to hit against you."

"My overlord gets to look out sir. I made all of them! Now my unit is back."

"This game is stupid. Let's play something else."

I was always under the impression that they would become one book, and that Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus were like the Militarum Tempestus to a larger AdMech book in the future.

Just didn't think it would take over a year