Curse of the Wulfen novel - Spoilers (I guess)

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**Wyzilla**

Furyou Miko wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
Neither Wulfen nor Death Company are strains of Chaos taint. Therefore, neither are a threat. Of course, I'm speaking from the omniscient outsider's POV so...

'cept that the 13th company Wulfen have been lost in the warp for ten thousand years...

Specifically fighting Chaos.

**Disciple of Fate**

Was it not mentioned in the space wolf books that all of them had gotten yellow eyes, meaning all of the 13th are on the path to becoming Wulfen, as it is irreversible.

Regardless, after what the SW did to the TS the irony is just delicious, although Im prepared for a most disappointing episode of 'the superfriends murder chaos.'

**Casti**

Hrm, so the Imperium accepts highly mutated marines as long as they are free of chaos taint..... Not sure if we are talking about the same imperium here.....

The Death Company is a group of blood crazed marines doing their utmost to die in battle. Not only do the Blood Angels and their successors keep their existance a secret as much as possible, they look like normal marines.

The Wulfen are a bunch of huge marines that look like a wolf/human hybrid and they can cause other space wolves to mutate into a wulfen just by proximity.

So are the Wulfen tainted by chaos, probably not, are they mutants that can affect other space wolves just due to their proximity, yes. Mutants are not tolerated much in the imperium, ratlings, ogryns and squats are tolerated because at their base level they are sub species of the base human genus.

**Furyou Miko**

Dark wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
Neither Wulfen nor Death Company are strains of Chaos taint. Therefore, neither are a threat. Of course, I'm speaking from the omniscient outsider's POV so...

'cept that the 13th company Wulfen have been lost in the warp for ten thousand years...

Only not all of them are Wulfen (Vulbeye and the priests ain't, may be more), and becoming wulfen is more of a chemical condition with the Canis Helix than chaos corruption, disregard what people within the 40K universe may know or believe

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the important part of my comment was 'wulfen'.

**Dark**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Dark wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
Neither Wulfen nor Death Company are strains of Chaos taint. Therefore, neither are a threat. Of course, I'm speaking from the omniscient outsider's POV so...

'cept that the 13th company Wulfen have been lost in the warp for ten thousand years...

Only not all of them are Wulfen (Vulbeye and the priests ain't, may be more), and becoming wulfen is more of a chemical condition with the Canis Helix than chaos corruption, disregard what people within the 40K universe may know or believe

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the important part of my comment was 'wulfen'.

Nah, my brain derped at the phrase's construction and translated it as "the whole 13th Company has gone wulfen"; my bad on that one.

**Brother Ramses**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
The Anathema wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

The Changeling managed to infiltrate the Council of Nikaea, so... yeah.

wait what? is this true??? where does it say this...?

In Prospero Burns an unnamed Chaos daemon infiltrates the Council of Nikaea and fools the Space Wolves into thinking he's Amon, the equerry to Magnus the Red. It's not explicitly stated it's the Changeling, but it sounds a lot like him.

That would be the Primordial Creator, not the Changeling. This is acknowledged later on when he takes the form of Horus on Prospero during the invasion and speaks with Hawser.

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Psienesis wrote:
13045273 wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

You sound bitter that Sisters aren't this cool

Space Wolves were cool, once upon a time. Now? Now they've been written into Stupid. Wolfy McWolfwolf, Son of Wolf, from Wolftown, of the Wolfhampton Wolves.

They are also hypocritical, which is actually a really good flaw for them to have, except that no one (let alone Black Library) recognizes it for what it is. Russ purged the Thousand Sons for breaking the Edict of Nikea... never mind the fact that the Rune Priests of the Space Wolves are *also* psykers, and the only reason Russ didn't throw them out (per the Emperor's orders) is either because he's 1) Really, really fething stupid or 2) A big ol' furry hypocrite.

The claim is that the Rune Priests aren't actually psykers, instead "drawing upon the primal, natural forces of Fenris." Ehm... that's Sorcery. Straight-up, Warp-based arcane spell casting, with grimoires, blood, bones and ritual sacrifice.. That's actually worse than being a psyker, since psychic expression is a genetic condition, whereas sorcery requires the willing study of Black Magic and Warp-Craft.

So, either the Rune Priests are Psykers, and they've been living a lie for ten thousand years... or they're Sorcerers, which means they're Warp-dabblers and daemon-binders, and have been knowingly lying about it all this time, going so far as to attack the organizations of the Imperium charged with eradicating such Warp-spawned taint.

Or the Rune Priests were sanctioned by the Emperor as both the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes fought alongside them on Prospero with absolutely zero punishment meted out to the Wolves afterwards.

Take your hate thataway--------------------------->

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One last point to make,

Both the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes fought alongside he Wulfen in Prospero Burns with zero consequence to the Wolves. So despite all the Johnny Come-latelys in the DA thinking the Wolves have fallen to Chaos and mutation and eagerness to begin bombardment of Fenris, it is probably recorded and known by someone very high up in the Imperium/GK/Inquisition that the Wulfen are not of Chaos origin and that will be brought to light at the DA's complete comeuppance.

**Flugel Meister**

Mr Morden wrote:
There seemed to be a general consensus that with Rowboat Girlyman finally starting to heal, and then eventually regaining consciousness, the perception of power would radically shift, causing a great deal of tension throughout the Imperium and then finally, civil war, with SM chapters siding with either the Ultramarine Primarch or the Lords of Terra.

Its not new that he has started to heal - that's very old fluff?

Once the civil war is underway, Abaddon seizes the initiative and launches the 13th crusade. And because the Imperium is divided, the response is slow and unable to stop him. Cadia falls. Chaos grows.

don't you mean the 14th Crusade?

He also thought the timeline will progress beyond the current 39,997 year.
Several BL novels already did so.

Yes, sorry. 14th crusade.

When I say beyond 39,997. I really mean beyond 40,000.

I sense there will be familiar theme over the coming years:

1. Civil war within the Imperium, pitting Chapter against Chapter. The Blood Angels ally with the Space Wolves.
2. Primarchs return.
3. Chaos launches a massive invasion.
4. Terra is threatened.
5. Final stand against Chaos
6. Dante faces Abbadon, wounds him but ultimately falls.
7. The Sanguinor kills Abbadon.

Sound familiar?

**Furyou Miko**

You mean beyond 999.M41, right? :p

**Mr Morden**

Furyou Miko wrote:
You mean beyond 999.M41, right? :p

The Cain novels and I think one other have references to events beyond M.41 - authors talk about the 13th Black Crusade as a event in history and about the "later Tyrannic wars"

Nothing really changed

Both the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes fought alongside he Wulfen in Prospero Burns with zero consequence to the Wolves. So despite all the Johnny Come-latelys in the DA thinking the Wolves have fallen to Chaos and mutation and eagerness to begin bombardment of Fenris, it is probably recorded and known by someone very high up in the Imperium/GK/Inquisition that the Wulfen are not of Chaos origin and that will be brought to light at the DA's complete comeuppance.

It may well be recorded and it might have be permissible then but the problem is:

1) Where is it recorded and who knows about it? Who is going to get it to the attacking fleet who just see Fenris as overrun by Daemons and mutants...........which is not actually incorrect from what I can see.......
2) The Inquisition has scores to settle
3) The Dark Angels don't care about anything or anyone other than protecting their secret - bombing Fenris just means that Bjorn can't tell anyone about it..................

**Flugel Meister**

Furyou Miko wrote:
You mean beyond 999.M41, right? :p

Indeed!