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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

Nobody can hope to win againts The Rock. Even the Tau were wiped out in a single day and they are far stronger than the wolves.

You say that like the Tau weren't renowned for having atrocious space capabilities with their over-sized, under-powered, slow pieces of junk.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

They do? Given the estimates of the size of a sector battlefleet from BFG, the number of sectors in the galaxy, and the size of each segmentum, the full size of an entire segmentum fleet would be tens of millions of vessels.

Who sanctioned the deployment of a dozen chapters against Fenris?

 Breotan wrote:
Who sanctioned the deployment of a dozen chapters against Fenris?

Changling hehehe.

 RazgrizOne wrote:
Wait wut? Why loyal chapters would bomb Fenris like that?

I know I would. And Sisters have done it in the past too .

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

They do? Given the estimates of the size of a sector battlefleet from BFG, the number of sectors in the galaxy, and the size of each segmentum, the full size of an entire segmentum fleet would be tens of millions of vessels.

That may have been slight hyperbole, although I don't think you are looking at tens of millions of vessels in a Segmentum grand fleet. Thousands maybe. Remember, the Imperium has roughly a million worlds, spread around the different Segmentums - many of those potential sectors will be wild space or otherwise undefended by a naval presence.

And Sisters have done it in the past too

with a decisive outcome apparently !

Mmhm. A cardinal took six company-strengths of Sisters to Fenris to demand we be allowed to teach the poor, downtrodden locals of Fenris the light of the Emperor... and the Wolves had to call their whole chapter back to stop us landing any missionaries.

Mmhm. A cardinal took six company-strengths of Sisters to Fenris to demand we be allowed to teach the poor, downtrodden locals of Fenris the light of the Emperor... and the Wolves had to call their whole chapter back to stop us landing any missionaries.

So if I follow you, the Ecclessiarchy won the war when it failed to break into the Fang, did not manage to cripple the Chapter as a whole and then withdrawn from the Fenris system?

Sorry if I'm provocative, but you guys may just admit one's faction cannot always win (save if you're playing Tau or Ultramarines)

Edit: I'll be interested to know more about the incident, since I did not find any mention of the SW calling back their whole chapter.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

Nobody can hope to win againts The Rock. Even the Tau were wiped out in a single day and they are far stronger than the wolves.

Its a battle of plot shields - nothing more.............which of the two Chapters has the best.

pm713 wrote:
It's not exactly the Imperium though. It's one chapter fleet and SOME support which could be one ship. Hardly the whole Imperium...

 RazgrizOne wrote:
with a decisive outcome apparently !

I said nothing about the outcome, I just mentioned how loyalists attacking Fenris is not unheard of. You seemed incredulous about it happening…

 RazgrizOne wrote:
Sorry if I'm provocative, but you guys may just admit one's faction cannot always win (save if you're playing Tau or Ultramarines)

This, on a thread about Space Wolves, is quite funny.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Mmhm. A cardinal took six company-strengths of Sisters to Fenris to demand we be allowed to teach the poor, downtrodden locals of Fenris the light of the Emperor... and the Wolves had to call their whole chapter back to stop us landing any missionaries.

You...you...were there?!?



All kidding aside, if this is a 40K "End Times" thing, I'd think it would get a lot more press?

You'd think so Alpharius, but then again the Blood Of Sigmar book in Fantasy got little to no fanfaire as the start of the end of that game. I mean fluff. I mean fun. I mean...

That was a year or more before they started leaking out info on the "actual" End Times.

I can definitely be wrong, so forgive me if I am, but I feel like any other 40k player who used to be a Fantasy player that survived (because thats what it is) the end of Warhammer Fantasy can't be happy about anything that has "end" and "times" in succession attached to it.

Maybe I'm being bitter because my first 40k foray in the early days of 3rd was as a Space Wolf; that fact coloring my judgment is not lost on me. Unless this is leading us to higher tensions and nothing more, I can't see any good coming from this. It adds some fluff to the concept of Imperium-on-Imperium action, and that's all well and good, but if someone at GW saw the rollercoaster reactions to Age of Sigmar and thought to themselves "Lets do that, but to our flagship game" then we should all be a little afraid.

I'm jumping to huge conclusions, but so does the dog who flinches when his abusive master raises a hand.

 Gremore wrote:
You'd think so Alpharius, but then again the Blood Of Sigmar book in Fantasy got little to no fanfaire as the start of the end of that game. I mean fluff. I mean fun. I mean...

That was a year or more before they started leaking out info on the "actual" End Times.

I can definitely be wrong, so forgive me if I am, but I feel like any other 40k player who used to be a Fantasy player that survived (because thats what it is) the end of Warhammer Fantasy can't be happy about anything that has "end" and "times" in succession attached to it.

Maybe I'm being bitter because my first 40k foray in the early days of 3rd was as a Space Wolf; that fact coloring my judgment is not lost on me. Unless this is leading us to higher tensions and nothing more, I can't see any good coming from this. It adds some fluff to the concept of Imperium-on-Imperium action, and that's all well and good, but if someone at GW saw the rollercoaster reactions to Age of Sigmar and thought to themselves "Lets do that, but to our flagship game" then we should all be a little afraid.

I'm jumping to huge conclusions, but so does the dog who flinches when his abusive master raises a hand.

OK, you make some good - and disturbing! - points.

Time will tell, I suppose!

 RazgrizOne wrote:

Mmhm. A cardinal took six company-strengths of Sisters to Fenris to demand we be allowed to teach the poor, downtrodden locals of Fenris the light of the Emperor... and the Wolves had to call their whole chapter back to stop us landing any missionaries.

So if I follow you, the Ecclessiarchy won the war when it failed to break into the Fang, did not manage to cripple the Chapter as a whole and then withdrawn from the Fenris system?

Oh, no, we didn't win. But they did have to try really, really hard to achieve their victory.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 RazgrizOne wrote:

Mmhm. A cardinal took six company-strengths of Sisters to Fenris to demand we be allowed to teach the poor, downtrodden locals of Fenris the light of the Emperor... and the Wolves had to call their whole chapter back to stop us landing any missionaries.

So if I follow you, the Ecclessiarchy won the war when it failed to break into the Fang, did not manage to cripple the Chapter as a whole and then withdrawn from the Fenris system?

Oh, no, we didn't win. But they did have to try really, really hard to achieve their victory.

...

You...you...were there?!?

Changeling is such a troll. An annoying, magnificent troll.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Mmhm. A cardinal took six company-strengths of Sisters to Fenris to demand we be allowed to teach the poor, downtrodden locals of Fenris the light of the Emperor... and the Wolves had to call their whole chapter back to stop us landing any missionaries.

You...you...were there?!?

Why yes. Yes he was.

Ha!

Well played!

Heh. She, but heh.

I'm a Sisters player and did in fact recreate that scenario in an apoc game a few years back, incidentally - but my use of 'we' is habitual to refer to the Sisterhood with a little bit of in-character rhetoric. ^^;

I know, but I couldn't help myself.

Thanks for playing along!

RazgrizOne wrote:
Sorry if I'm provocative, but you guys may just admit one's faction cannot always win (save if you're playing Tau or Ultramarines)

This, on a thread about Space Wolves, is quite funny.

Not as funny as seeing you "mordre à l'hameçon", Hybrid

On topic, I failed to understand the involvement of the Changelin. I went all around the Internet but I did not find any insight. Does the OP or anyone else has details on its role in this story? Would be great.

Maybe if we're lucky, Space Wolves will turn to Chaos so we can finally learn the ancient secret art of Thunderhammers and Stormshields on the other side.

One can dream.

On a serious note, I look forward to seeing where they take the fluff. I've been talking about advancing the story for quite a while so it's nice to see them stepping out from the bubble and taking some risks.

Someone just virus bomb that iceball and be fething done with it.

As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

 Quickjager wrote:
As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

He's the motherflipping Changeling, that's how.

The Changeling has tea with the Emperor on Tuesdays, sneaking past a bunch of jawas is hardly beyond its abilities.

I believe they call it "Chaos-Ex-Machina" at GW HQ.

Alot of fluff material lately has been kinda pointing towards the story line progressing in some fashion. I mean look at the novel of the talon of horus the narrator is on terra pretty much telling the inquisitors that the end times are coming.

Now this? Something is going to happen.