Curse of the Wulfen novel - Spoilers (I guess)

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**Stormonu**

Furyou Miko wrote:
It's the Wolves though, they'll probably win.

It's 40K. Nobody gets to "win".

This does sound like GW is starting to double-down on the End Times for 40K.

**Furyou Miko**

Space Wolves win all the time. Cleanse planets, fight off overwhelming odds, blah blah. By past precedent, by the end of this encounter, they'll have the Dark Angels on their side, the Wulfen tamed and their Primarch back.

**Alpharius**

shinros wrote:
Alot of fluff material lately has been kinda pointing towards the story line progressing in some fashion. I mean look at the novel of the talon of horus the narrator is on terra pretty much telling the inquisitors that the end times are coming.

Now this? Something is going to happen.

Almost certainly, especially when you consider that 'nothing' is still 'something'!

**Triszin**

Any Named wulfen characters that seem to lead them?

Any mention of Sternhammer or the wulfen lords?

**Taffy17**

Oh the irony!

You mean someone else gets the wrong idea about their orders and what's going on and decides to destroy the Space Wolves home world?

**Kanluwen**

shinros wrote:
Alot of fluff material lately has been kinda pointing towards the story line progressing in some fashion. I mean look at the novel of the talon of horus the narrator is on terra pretty much telling the inquisitors that the end times are coming.

Now this? Something is going to happen.

"Talon of Horus" is set before The 13th Black Crusade, isn't it?

**Flugel Meister**

Was chatting to one of the store managers after his recent Nottingham HQ visit. We got chatting about the fiction and the direction the universe might take.

There seemed to be a general consensus that with Rowboat Girlyman finally starting to heal, and then eventually regaining consciousness, the perception of power would radically shift, causing a great deal of tension throughout the Imperium and then finally, civil war, with SM chapters siding with either the Ultramarine Primarch or the Lords of Terra.

Once the civil war is underway, Abaddon seizes the initiative and launches the 13th crusade. And because the Imperium is divided, the response is slow and unable to stop him. Cadia falls. Chaos grows.

He also thought the timeline will progress beyond the current 39,997 year.

**shinros**

Kanluwen wrote:
shinros wrote:
Alot of fluff material lately has been kinda pointing towards the story line progressing in some fashion. I mean look at the novel of the talon of horus the narrator is on terra pretty much telling the inquisitors that the end times are coming.

Now this? Something is going to happen.

"Talon of Horus" is set before The 13th Black Crusade, isn't it?

The story he is telling is set before the 13th but when the narration is and the time? I think its during or after the 13th since the inquisitors seem desperate to get ANY information on Abbadon and the black legion.

**Rayvon**

By the time the story ends all the marines will be on the same side im pretty sure.

It would be a shot in the foot to advance the 40k timeline so much and I cannot see it happening.

**Brennonjw**

I think some plot progression, but not to much. Once the GK are rescued by the wolves, everyone will realize it was the changeling. Cue sitcom "Oh you!"

**Mr Morden**

There seemed to be a general consensus that with Rowboat Girlyman finally starting to heal, and then eventually regaining consciousness, the perception of power would radically shift, causing a great deal of tension throughout the Imperium and then finally, civil war, with SM chapters siding with either the Ultramarine Primarch or the Lords of Terra.

Its not new that he has started to heal - that's very old fluff?

Once the civil war is underway, Abaddon seizes the initiative and launches the 13th crusade. And because the Imperium is divided, the response is slow and unable to stop him. Cadia falls. Chaos grows.

don't you mean the 14th Crusade?

He also thought the timeline will progress beyond the current 39,997 year.

Several BL novels already did so.

**Furyou Miko**

Guilleman isn't actually healing, it's been stated several times that this is an in-universe belief and not a literal truth.

Also, yes, the 14th. The 13th Black Crusade is currently in-progress.

**Gremore**

don't you mean the 14th Crusade?

Also, yes, the 14th. The 13th Black Crusade is currently in-progress.

But is it though? I got out of 40k right at the end of fifth and back in about a year ago, so I still don't fully know which of the Eye Of Terror fluff was retconned.

Is Eldrad still crystallized? Did that lost Craftworld of Maugan's reappear? Is the named Lord of the 13th Company still a thing? Are the Black Obelisks in play?

OR are we back at the beginning of what WOULD be the 13th Crusade, and it's currently "ongoing" but only in its' prenatal form?

**pm713**

Eldrad is alive but turning to crystal. Maugan Ra's Craftworld is back.

**A Watcher In The Dark**

Ohhhhhhhhhh the Dark Angels are even the one to give the order to open fire on the wolves. Spoilers obviously.

Spoiler:

The book end after that. To be continued in part 2.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Must resist making a meme picture of a SoB or cardinal saying “Told you so”!

**Iron_Captain**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

He's the motherflipping Changeling, that's how.

The Changeling has tea with the Emperor on Tuesdays, sneaking past a bunch of jawas is hardly beyond its abilities.

The Changeling is the Emperor. The whole storyline of 40k is nothing but a massive Tzeentchian plot that went way out of hand, just as planned.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Quickjager wrote:
As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

The Changeling managed to infiltrate the Council of Nikaea, so... yeah.

**tedurur**

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/What's-New-Today-from-the-White-Dwarf-Team/2016/02/10/Chaos-reigns

Tells me that the Changeling wont go undetected the whole time. SW and DA teaming up to wreck some demons. Seems as if the TWC + Black Knights combo might even become fluffy

**Furyou Miko**

Gremore wrote:
don't you mean the 14th Crusade?

Also, yes, the 14th. The 13th Black Crusade is currently in-progress.

But is it though? I got out of 40k right at the end of fifth and back in about a year ago, so I still don't fully know which of the Eye Of Terror fluff was retconned.

Is Eldrad still crystallized? Did that lost Craftworld of Maugan's reappear? Is the named Lord of the 13th Company still a thing? Are the Black Obelisks in play?

OR are we back at the beginning of what WOULD be the 13th Crusade, and it's currently "ongoing" but only in its' prenatal form?

As far as I'm aware, the timeline is frozen at 'five minutes to Midnight', just before Eldrad boarded the Blackstone Fortress.

**The Anathema**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

The Changeling managed to infiltrate the Council of Nikaea, so... yeah.

wait what? is this true??? where does it say this...?

**13045273**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

You sound bitter that Sisters aren't this cool

**Abadabadoobaddon**

The Anathema wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
As soon as someone can tell me how a changling managed to get by the Watchers on the Rock. THEN somehow avoid being felt out by any of the Libbies and finally why have the Grey Knights not noticed.

The Changeling managed to infiltrate the Council of Nikaea, so... yeah.

wait what? is this true??? where does it say this...?

In Prospero Burns an unnamed Chaos daemon infiltrates the Council of Nikaea and fools the Space Wolves into thinking he's Amon, the equerry to Magnus the Red. It's not explicitly stated it's the Changeling, but it sounds a lot like him.

**Rainyday**

I'm noticing a trend here. Anyone who gets a new codex and campaign book now get a complementary major pyrrhic victory in the fluff.

Tau: Manage to not get steamrolled at Damocles -> space pope killed, Mechanicus sets space on fire
SW: Find lost company -> Demons everywhere, Fenris bombed

No fancy new toys for free any more.

**Ratius**

SWs were my very first army so Im kinda sad to see them picked on :(

**Furyou Miko**

13045273 wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Indeed, which is why the Wolves will win - since they have enough naval assets to destroy every fleet the Imperial Navy has in the whole Segmentum Obscurus at once, and still fend off a Ork Waagh...

You sound bitter that Sisters aren't this cool

Pfft. Who mentioned Sisters? I'm indignant on behalf of the Imperial Navy here.

Sisters are way cooler than Space Wolves any day of the week, there's just no point comparing them.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Yeah, but the wolf are wolfier. That's kind of their shtick. If you want to do anything with a wolf, you'd rather call a space wolf. Except if it is purging the wolf, purifying the wolf, setting the wolf on fire, immolating the wolf, getting the wolf to repent from all his current and past heresies, and possibly even castrating the wolf. But still, Space Wolfs are better at making the wolf pull a sledge!

**jmurph**

So the Dark Angels are acting as the unwitting pawns of the Changeling to purge perceived Chaos taint? Yikes! Kinda goes to reaffirm just how wrong the Inquisition was about the Wolves.

Not sure why the Sisters would resent the Wolves repelling what turned out to be an unfounded invasion but be totally okay with the GKs slaughtering and wearing their blood because they thought the Sisters couldn't handle a mission, but whatever. The Inquisition doesn't seem to be up to thwarting Tzeentchian schemes and anymore seems to show a desire for slaughter up there with Khorne. No doubt Draigo will be along to sort this out any minute....

**Furyou Miko**

Two things: Firstly, the Sisterhoods' involvement in the Bloodtide incident has been retconned out.

Secondly: Even when it was canon, the rest of the Sisterhood never found out.

**Solar_lion**

On the subject of this being a precursor to the GW putting the 40k fluff in the 'End of times' I pulled this from a data slate.

Quoted...
"As the End Times draw close, Be'lakor once again musters his power in the shadows, standing in the shadow of Abaddon the Despolier as he embarks upon his 13th Black Crusade."

Take from it what you will.