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Lord Kragan wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female?


He didn't fuse with his dragon. And before anyone brings the image in question please read the flavor text where it's stated that he is, essentially, FORMLESS (in other words: he's shapeshifting and takes the form that pleases him the most).


I don't think he is shapshifting, it is said his anger gave him form. But being a god of shadow I guess he can do what he wants in this regard

People seeing this artwork just assumed :
- as the head and helmet looked like Malekith's,
- as the body looked like old Seraphon (the black dragon),
They simply had fused together.

As Lord Kragan said, that was absolutely NEVER said. And in every text about him GW refer to Malerion as "he".
[Thumb - Malerion.jpg]


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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female? Isn't that Malerion?

Because a female from the realm of Shadows would scream Malekith/Malerion. After all, Malekith was the Incarnate of Shadow... Plus, Old World Dark Elves were the ones you pray didn't take you alive.


Well pretty much any of the evil races you don't want to be taken alive? (also I thought that was the Dark Eldar tag line?)

Don't let Skaven take you alive or Orcs or Slaaneshi,

I thought originally it was definitely Neferata but now not so sure - maybe it is Morathi, maybe working with Nagash and co?

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 HorticulusDK wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female?


He didn't fuse with his dragon. And before anyone brings the image in question please read the flavor text where it's stated that he is, essentially, FORMLESS (in other words: he's shapeshifting and takes the form that pleases him the most).


I don't think he is shapshifting, it is said his anger gave him form. But being a god of shadow I guess he can do what he wants in this regard

People seeing this artwork just assumed :
- as the head and helmet looked like Malekith's,
- as the body looked like old Seraphon (the black dragon),
They simply had fused together.

As Lord Kragan said, that was absolutely NEVER said. And in every text about him GW refer to Malerion as "he".


You know, just now I notice the serpentine torso. I always thought he was like hunched or kind of squatting... so what if the snake like torso we have seen in the rumour engine is his?
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female? Isn't that Malerion?

Because a female from the realm of Shadows would scream Malekith/Malerion. After all, Malekith was the Incarnate of Shadow... Plus, Old World Dark Elves were the ones you pray didn't take you alive.


Well pretty much any of the evil races you don't want to be taken alive? (also I thought that was the Dark Eldar tag line?)

Don't let Skaven take you alive or Orcs or Slaaneshi,

I thought originally it was definitely Neferata but now not so sure - maybe it is Morathi, maybe working with Nagash and co?


But that would lead to the question of why Nagash would lower himself to the level of the aelfs. Besides, we know he is working on a method to keep all the souls of those that die in Shyish in Shyish, regardless of them being mortals, Stormcast, or Chaos-worshippers.
   
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Lord Kragan wrote:
 HorticulusDK wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female?


He didn't fuse with his dragon. And before anyone brings the image in question please read the flavor text where it's stated that he is, essentially, FORMLESS (in other words: he's shapeshifting and takes the form that pleases him the most).


I don't think he is shapshifting, it is said his anger gave him form. But being a god of shadow I guess he can do what he wants in this regard

People seeing this artwork just assumed :
- as the head and helmet looked like Malekith's,
- as the body looked like old Seraphon (the black dragon),
They simply had fused together.

As Lord Kragan said, that was absolutely NEVER said. And in every text about him GW refer to Malerion as "he".


You know, just now I notice the serpentine torso. I always thought he was like hunched or kind of squatting... so what if the snake like torso we have seen in the rumour engine is his?


Yeah, people were saying that when we saw the Rumor engine. Other interpretation was with Fulgrim, or a Xeno (nah just kidding Xenos SQUATTED).

I've always wondered if this rumor about the End Times : Khaine release was true. Some people said that GW's initial plan was to release all the Khaine-related Dark elves with the End Times : Khaine book. And instead they all came sooner alongside the 8th ed. Armybook.

Anyway, if we count the Khaine elves as ET related, i.e. Age of Sigmar oriented (like Nagash or the Blightkings), then we have some good hints of the latest Elves / Aelves design (like the dancing Witch elves and the Bloodwrack Medusae - also serpentine !)

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 Cruxeh wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female? Isn't that Malerion?

Because a female from the realm of Shadows would scream Malekith/Malerion. After all, Malekith was the Incarnate of Shadow... Plus, Old World Dark Elves were the ones you pray didn't take you alive.


Well pretty much any of the evil races you don't want to be taken alive? (also I thought that was the Dark Eldar tag line?)

Don't let Skaven take you alive or Orcs or Slaaneshi,

I thought originally it was definitely Neferata but now not so sure - maybe it is Morathi, maybe working with Nagash and co?


But that would lead to the question of why Nagash would lower himself to the level of the aelfs. Besides, we know he is working on a method to keep all the souls of those that die in Shyish in Shyish, regardless of them being mortals, Stormcast, or Chaos-worshippers.


Also, Nagash is angry with Tyrion and Malerion because they stole back many aeleven souls eaten by Slaanesh to rebuild their race, instead of giving them back to the god of the dead.
[Thumb - The Soul Thieves.png]


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 Cruxeh wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female? Isn't that Malerion?

Because a female from the realm of Shadows would scream Malekith/Malerion. After all, Malekith was the Incarnate of Shadow... Plus, Old World Dark Elves were the ones you pray didn't take you alive.


Well pretty much any of the evil races you don't want to be taken alive? (also I thought that was the Dark Eldar tag line?)

Don't let Skaven take you alive or Orcs or Slaaneshi,

I thought originally it was definitely Neferata but now not so sure - maybe it is Morathi, maybe working with Nagash and co?


But that would lead to the question of why Nagash would lower himself to the level of the aelfs. Besides, we know he is working on a method to keep all the souls of those that die in Shyish in Shyish, regardless of them being mortals, Stormcast, or Chaos-worshippers.


Why would she be working with Nagash? She doesn't seem nearly as interested (assuming it is Morathi) in preventing Elias from seeing what Nagash is working on as she is in Elias himself. She's likely to be playing her own side game ancillary to the rest of the malign portents.

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To be fair Nagash hates everyone - he always has Gods, Mortals, monsters - he hates them.

In AOS he does work a bit better with others but basically he wants everything to die and serve him, eternally so its tricky to work with him.

I could see Nagash and Morathi working together and each looking to betray the other, after all he is used to that, both Mannfed and Neferata hate and fear him.

Why Morathi working with the God of the Dead, not sure but she does love her games - we know next to nothing about who or what she is in AOS, same with her son so its difficult to tell. As you say she could be just working her angle.

or it could be Neferata playing her normal games.....

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There is a preview of the AOS open on the Warhammer community site, not much info but it does mention two battletomes in as many months. I guess that confirms that legions of Nagash is coming some time in February.

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May also worth noting that Shadespire is part of the new campaign setting in Shyish and they had a way for capturing souls in glass.

Looking forward to the Nagash Battletome, although I'd really love for them to include more of the work the novel writers are doing to flesh out the AOS world.

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 Earth127 wrote:
But then we wouldn't buy the novels.


I would I meant just referencing some of the characters, there are some really good ones now.

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 Earth127 wrote:
But then we wouldn't buy the novels.


Well, at least for Nagash and Malign Portents, GW give Black Library shorty stories (some written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden IIRC) for free in WD and on the MP website every few days https://malignportents.com/stories/

And as Chikout said : Legions of Nagash Battletome coming probably just after Adpetus Custdoes and Thousand Sons : https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/15/warhammer-age-sigmar-open-day-previews-grand-clash/

So start of February, either the 3rd or the 10th of February

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 Mr Morden wrote:
May also worth noting that Shadespire is part of the new campaign setting in Shyish and they had a way for capturing souls in glass.

Looking forward to the Nagash Battletome, although I'd really love for them to include more of the work the novel writers are doing to flesh out the AOS world.


If I read the fluff correctly in the WH:U box, Shadespire is actually caught halfway between Ulgu and Hysh now. That's why no one can die in the city.

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 EnTyme wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
May also worth noting that Shadespire is part of the new campaign setting in Shyish and they had a way for capturing souls in glass.

Looking forward to the Nagash Battletome, although I'd really love for them to include more of the work the novel writers are doing to flesh out the AOS world.


If I read the fluff correctly in the WH:U box, Shadespire is actually caught halfway between Ulgu and Hysh now. That's why no one can die in the city.


There is "two" Shadespire, the ruins of the city - they are in Shyish (as you can see on the Innerland Marshes map on the MP website) - that's where you play AOS Skirmish.

The "soul" of the city was cast in a limbo by Nagash to punish the people leaving there, the limbo being the Aetheric void between Hysh and Ulgu - that's where you play WHU : Shadespire.

The curse is stil active on the ruins in Shyish, so if you wander too deep or stay too long in the ruins, you may end up appearing in the limbo (and will never be able to escape again ) That's why there is Stormcast in the WHU game, even if the curse date back to the Age of Myth.

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Indeed

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shadespire

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 HorticulusDK wrote:
@Voss

Why wouldn't Moratghi work ?
Not counting the female voice, the promises of torment and the shadow / moon / etc. references...

... She was indeed an old enemy of everyone back in WFB, and she hasn't reappear in AOS yet (I mean model wise or in the current story), so she's "new".


Not sure what you mean (particularly on the shadow/moon thing). Morathi has a model, and she was an old enemy of high elves, but almost no one else had a reason to care about her in any way whatsoever.
She certainly fits ancient, but if new foe is just dark 'a'elves, that isn't particularly interesting.

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Voss wrote:
 HorticulusDK wrote:
@Voss

Why wouldn't Moratghi work ?
Not counting the female voice, the promises of torment and the shadow / moon / etc. references...

... She was indeed an old enemy of everyone back in WFB, and she hasn't reappear in AOS yet (I mean model wise or in the current story), so she's "new".


Not sure what you mean (particularly on the shadow/moon thing). Morathi has a model, and she was an old enemy of high elves, but almost no one else had a reason to care about her in any way whatsoever.
She certainly fits ancient, but if new foe is just dark 'a'elves, that isn't particularly interesting.


I would agree that she was so much the power behind the throne that few in the Warhammer world would have heard much about her, same as Neferata - and that's how they both liked it.

I would guess he is thinking about the fact that she is linked to the Realm of Shadow now but again agree she is not a new foe - then again nor are the undead. Neferata was keen on a alliance with Sigmar and the Stormcast against Chaos but her boss isn't going to let that fly - officially. Looking forward to finding out more!

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Voss wrote:
 HorticulusDK wrote:
@Voss

Why wouldn't Moratghi work ?
Not counting the female voice, the promises of torment and the shadow / moon / etc. references...

... She was indeed an old enemy of everyone back in WFB, and she hasn't reappear in AOS yet (I mean model wise or in the current story), so she's "new".


Not sure what you mean (particularly on the shadow/moon thing). Morathi has a model, and she was an old enemy of high elves, but almost no one else had a reason to care about her in any way whatsoever.

Morathi had a model. And actually she was a Big Deal not just to the High Elves. The Cult of Slaanesh list that we got for Storm of Chaos had her enrapturing whole tribes of Marauders into her thrall. It even had a kind of proto-Shadow Daemons in the form of the weird Dark Elves imbued with Daemonic powers lord/hero choice.

She certainly fits ancient, but if new foe is just dark 'a'elves, that isn't particularly interesting.

Shadowkin would be a "new foe" however and Slaanesh would be an "ancient nemesis", just sayin'.

We know virtually nothing about the Shadowkin. We don't know that they're strictly Dark Elves. When last we saw Malekith, he was in charge of the whole of Elfdom and had set up shop in Athel-Loren.

What we do know about the Shadowkin?
-Dwell in Ulgu.
-Fight alongside Fyreslayers, at the least. Fyreslayers book has a Lodge based in Ulgu that has adopted some Shadowkin iconography and tactics since they work together so often.
-Tenebrael Shards and Mistweaver Saihs are two of their Hero options.
-Led by Malerion and have fiefdoms/kingdoms in Ulgu. Each is ruled by one of the Darkling Lords. That's from Fyreslayers as well IIRC.
-Favor ambush tactics. Slaaneshi cultists that went to Ulgu looking for their god were getting mysteriously picked off in the mists of the realm.

That's all we know at this point.

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 HorticulusDK wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malekith merging with his dragon make him female?


He didn't fuse with his dragon. And before anyone brings the image in question please read the flavor text where it's stated that he is, essentially, FORMLESS (in other words: he's shapeshifting and takes the form that pleases him the most).


I don't think he is shapshifting, it is said his anger gave him form. But being a god of shadow I guess he can do what he wants in this regard

People seeing this artwork just assumed :
- as the head and helmet looked like Malekith's,
- as the body looked like old Seraphon (the black dragon),
They simply had fused together.

As Lord Kragan said, that was absolutely NEVER said. And in every text about him GW refer to Malerion as "he".
We don't actually know if this art is Malerion. It is labelled 'what lurks in the shadows of ulgu?' which seems to imply it isn't him, and the text suggests that it's an image of Morathi.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
We don't actually know if this art is Malerion. It is labelled 'what lurks in the shadows of ulgu?' which seems to imply it isn't him, and the text suggests that it's an image of Morathi.

I'd be surprised if the text suggested that, considering they're separated by 33 pages.

The art is on pg 33 of the Age of Sigmar book, labeled with "What prowls in the shadows of the Ulgulands?".
The text associated with it actually talks about Malerion with no mention of Morathi. Just about how Chaos armies go into the mistbanks and come out as nothing but carrion and the followers of Slaanesh blame Malerion for their god's disappearance.

Morathi only gets a mention on pg 56 in the fluff snippet that talks about how his as his anger mounted, "his own rage gave him form" and "with his fury came greater corporeality and thus Malerion explored the thirteen domains of Ulgu".
   
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 HorticulusDK wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
May also worth noting that Shadespire is part of the new campaign setting in Shyish and they had a way for capturing souls in glass.

Looking forward to the Nagash Battletome, although I'd really love for them to include more of the work the novel writers are doing to flesh out the AOS world.


If I read the fluff correctly in the WH:U box, Shadespire is actually caught halfway between Ulgu and Hysh now. That's why no one can die in the city.


There is "two" Shadespire, the ruins of the city - they are in Shyish (as you can see on the Innerland Marshes map on the MP website) - that's where you play AOS Skirmish.

The "soul" of the city was cast in a limbo by Nagash to punish the people leaving there, the limbo being the Aetheric void between Hysh and Ulgu - that's where you play WHU : Shadespire.

The curse is stil active on the ruins in Shyish, so if you wander too deep or stay too long in the ruins, you may end up appearing in the limbo (and will never be able to escape again ) That's why there is Stormcast in the WHU game, even if the curse date back to the Age of Myth.


Ah. Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Voss wrote:
 HorticulusDK wrote:
@Voss

Why wouldn't Moratghi work ?
Not counting the female voice, the promises of torment and the shadow / moon / etc. references...

... She was indeed an old enemy of everyone back in WFB, and she hasn't reappear in AOS yet (I mean model wise or in the current story), so she's "new".


Not sure what you mean (particularly on the shadow/moon thing). Morathi has a model, and she was an old enemy of high elves, but almost no one else had a reason to care about her in any way whatsoever.

Morathi had a model. And actually she was a Big Deal not just to the High Elves. The Cult of Slaanesh list that we got for Storm of Chaos had her enrapturing whole tribes of Marauders into her thrall. It even had a kind of proto-Shadow Daemons in the form of the weird Dark Elves imbued with Daemonic powers lord/hero choice.

She certainly fits ancient, but if new foe is just dark 'a'elves, that isn't particularly interesting.

Shadowkin would be a "new foe" however and Slaanesh would be an "ancient nemesis", just sayin'.

We know virtually nothing about the Shadowkin. We don't know that they're strictly Dark Elves. When last we saw Malekith, he was in charge of the whole of Elfdom and had set up shop in Athel-Loren.

What we do know about the Shadowkin?
-Dwell in Ulgu.
-Fight alongside Fyreslayers, at the least. Fyreslayers book has a Lodge based in Ulgu that has adopted some Shadowkin iconography and tactics since they work together so often.
-Tenebrael Shards and Mistweaver Saihs are two of their Hero options.
-Led by Malerion and have fiefdoms/kingdoms in Ulgu. Each is ruled by one of the Darkling Lords. That's from Fyreslayers as well IIRC.
-Favor ambush tactics. Slaaneshi cultists that went to Ulgu looking for their god were getting mysteriously picked off in the mists of the realm.

That's all we know at this point.


Honestly, all I'm hoping is that if they ARE doing Morathi and she is getting her line of Daughters of Khaine, only in Sigmar, that she isn't involved with Slaanesh anymore. Why would Morathi, who by what little we know about her and the other people who survived the old realms, should be a nearly god-tier power herself, keep kowtowing to Slaanesh when Slaanesh is the weakest he's ever been AND currently under lock and key. Morathi should be focusing on Usurpation, not worship.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
We don't actually know if this art is Malerion. It is labelled 'what lurks in the shadows of ulgu?' which seems to imply it isn't him, and the text suggests that it's an image of Morathi.

I'd be surprised if the text suggested that, considering they're separated by 33 pages.

The art is on pg 33 of the Age of Sigmar book, labeled with "What prowls in the shadows of the Ulgulands?".
The text associated with it actually talks about Malerion with no mention of Morathi. Just about how Chaos armies go into the mistbanks and come out as nothing but carrion and the followers of Slaanesh blame Malerion for their god's disappearance.

Morathi only gets a mention on pg 56 in the fluff snippet that talks about how his as his anger mounted, "his own rage gave him form" and "with his fury came greater corporeality and thus Malerion explored the thirteen domains of Ulgu".
I must have recalled that incorrectly then, thank you for the correction! (Not sarcasm)

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Honestly, all I'm hoping is that if they ARE doing Morathi and she is getting her line of Daughters of Khaine

Hellebron controlled the Daughters of Khaine. She and Morathi did not get along.
Morathi held some of the secrets and mysteries that kept her so ageless and whatnot from Hellebron. It was a major point of contention between the Witches and the Sorceresses.

Why would Morathi, who by what little we know about her and the other people who survived the old realms, should be a nearly god-tier power herself, keep kowtowing to Slaanesh when Slaanesh is the weakest he's ever been AND currently under lock and key. Morathi should be focusing on Usurpation, not worship.

The problem here is that what we know of Morathi?
She should be dead. She played with the Vortex in Ulthuan, it collapsed along with the Waystones and she was devoured by Slaanesh itself.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
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Honestly, all I'm hoping is that if they ARE doing Morathi and she is getting her line of Daughters of Khaine

Hellebron controlled the Daughters of Khaine. She and Morathi did not get along.
Morathi held some of the secrets and mysteries that kept her so ageless and whatnot from Hellebron. It was a major point of contention between the Witches and the Sorceresses.

Why would Morathi, who by what little we know about her and the other people who survived the old realms, should be a nearly god-tier power herself, keep kowtowing to Slaanesh when Slaanesh is the weakest he's ever been AND currently under lock and key. Morathi should be focusing on Usurpation, not worship.

The problem here is that what we know of Morathi?
She should be dead. She played with the Vortex in Ulthuan, it collapsed along with the Waystones and she was devoured by Slaanesh itself.


And then Malerion found her in the Mortal Realms and they had words and decided to work together. And I wasn't referring to actual daughters of khaine, I was referring to the rumor floating around that Morathi is coming out with her own all female cult of Aelves that repurpose the current Daughters of Khaine models into some new thing. Although, I had forgotten about the 'being devoured' thing so yeah, she should be SUPER peeved with Slaanesh going forward.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
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Why wouldn't Moratghi work ?
Not counting the female voice, the promises of torment and the shadow / moon / etc. references...

... She was indeed an old enemy of everyone back in WFB, and she hasn't reappear in AOS yet (I mean model wise or in the current story), so she's "new".


Not sure what you mean (particularly on the shadow/moon thing). Morathi has a model, and she was an old enemy of high elves, but almost no one else had a reason to care about her in any way whatsoever.

Morathi had a model. And actually she was a Big Deal not just to the High Elves. The Cult of Slaanesh list that we got for Storm of Chaos had her enrapturing whole tribes of Marauders into her thrall. It even had a kind of proto-Shadow Daemons in the form of the weird Dark Elves imbued with Daemonic powers lord/hero choice.

You're not selling Big Deal to someone other than High Elves with 'some random Marauders that didn't interact with anyone but dark elves' (as they'd be a different tribe than the bunch in Norsca that interacted the Old World)
Yeah, on the table top random people ended up fighting Morathi. In the background, if you weren't an elf of the high or dark types, the name Morathi is pretty irrelevant.


She certainly fits ancient, but if new foe is just dark 'a'elves, that isn't particularly interesting.

Shadowkin would be a "new foe" however and Slaanesh would be an "ancient nemesis", just sayin'.

We know virtually nothing about the Shadowkin. We don't know that they're strictly Dark Elves. When last we saw Malekith, he was in charge of the whole of Elfdom and had set up shop in Athel-Loren.

What we do know about the Shadowkin?
-Dwell in Ulgu.
-Fight alongside Fyreslayers, at the least. Fyreslayers book has a Lodge based in Ulgu that has adopted some Shadowkin iconography and tactics since they work together so often.
-Tenebrael Shards and Mistweaver Saihs are two of their Hero options.
-Led by Malerion and have fiefdoms/kingdoms in Ulgu. Each is ruled by one of the Darkling Lords. That's from Fyreslayers as well IIRC.
-Favor ambush tactics. Slaaneshi cultists that went to Ulgu looking for their god were getting mysteriously picked off in the mists of the realm.

That's all we know at this point.

Which is pretty much nothing but Malerion leads and not Morathi? That sounds more like a case for it not being Morathi or it doesn't involve 'Shadowkin' dark elves.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
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Why wouldn't Moratghi work ?
Not counting the female voice, the promises of torment and the shadow / moon / etc. references...

... She was indeed an old enemy of everyone back in WFB, and she hasn't reappear in AOS yet (I mean model wise or in the current story), so she's "new".


Not sure what you mean (particularly on the shadow/moon thing). Morathi has a model, and she was an old enemy of high elves, but almost no one else had a reason to care about her in any way whatsoever.

Morathi had a model. And actually she was a Big Deal not just to the High Elves. The Cult of Slaanesh list that we got for Storm of Chaos had her enrapturing whole tribes of Marauders into her thrall. It even had a kind of proto-Shadow Daemons in the form of the weird Dark Elves imbued with Daemonic powers lord/hero choice.

You're not selling Big Deal to someone other than High Elves with 'some random Marauders that didn't interact with anyone but dark elves' (as they'd be a different tribe than the bunch in Norsca that interacted the Old World)

Then you didn't pay attention. She turned the Hung (which were themselves "savage Chaos tribes known collectively as the Hung"). We're talking what is meant to be the Hun equivalents for Warhammer.

Yeah, on the table top random people ended up fighting Morathi. In the background, if you weren't an elf of the high or dark types, the name Morathi is pretty irrelevant.

Except when it isn't?

The whole point of her turning the Hung was so that she could solidify the northern borders while Malekith was fixated in Ulthuan. She revived the Cult of Slaanesh through the Convents of the Sorceresses(which were under her strict dominion).
The point of that was so that she could "deal with" the Hag Queens and the Cult of Khaine with her Dark Elf followers and launch an assault into Lustria. She justified the use of the Hung to Malekith by claiming that they were "enthralled" by her sorcery and sorceresses and that they could find things in the temple-cities to turn against the High Elves.
So sure, she might be a primarily Elf foe...but she was also a big deal to the Lizardmen once the Storm of Chaos rolled around.


She certainly fits ancient, but if new foe is just dark 'a'elves, that isn't particularly interesting.

Shadowkin would be a "new foe" however and Slaanesh would be an "ancient nemesis", just sayin'.

We know virtually nothing about the Shadowkin. We don't know that they're strictly Dark Elves. When last we saw Malekith, he was in charge of the whole of Elfdom and had set up shop in Athel-Loren.

What we do know about the Shadowkin?
-Dwell in Ulgu.
-Fight alongside Fyreslayers, at the least. Fyreslayers book has a Lodge based in Ulgu that has adopted some Shadowkin iconography and tactics since they work together so often.
-Tenebrael Shards and Mistweaver Saihs are two of their Hero options.
-Led by Malerion and have fiefdoms/kingdoms in Ulgu. Each is ruled by one of the Darkling Lords. That's from Fyreslayers as well IIRC.
-Favor ambush tactics. Slaaneshi cultists that went to Ulgu looking for their god were getting mysteriously picked off in the mists of the realm.

That's all we know at this point.

Which is pretty much nothing but Malerion leads and not Morathi? That sounds more like a case for it not being Morathi or it doesn't involve 'Shadowkin' dark elves.

And this is where it keeps getting messy because people are insisting that Morathi existing is going to be a big plot point for the Shadowkin(note: we don't get a timeline in the AoS book or even a continuation of how the Morathi/Malerion thing goes--just that those two joined the Order pantheon. For all we know, the two have gone back to warring with each other) while ignoring that we don't know much about them.

I mentioned the parts that were important that we do know but did leave out a few bits:
The Mistweaver Saih? Her wargear is extremely similar to that of the Shadow Warriors and the old High Elf mages. Notably the crescent moon motif, which was associated with Lileath and was a big part of the Naggarothi storylines that Gav Thorpe wrote back in the day.

   
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Damn, looking at that artwork of Malekith I always thought his lower half appeared to have legs. Completely missed it looks very serpentine instead.

I would bet good money that the serpent segment rumour engine is in fact Malekith and not Fulgrim, just a sneaky feeling.

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Damn, looking at that artwork of Malekith I always thought his lower half appeared to have legs. Completely missed it looks very serpentine instead.

I would bet good money that the serpent segment rumour engine is in fact Malekith and not Fulgrim, just a sneaky feeling.
You mean 'snakey' feeling.

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