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Not to be another Irbis, but I believe Rex is said to have specially modified Artificer Armour.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not to be another Irbis, but I believe Rex is said to have specially modified Artificer Armour.


I always assumed he was in Terminator armor, but you're correct. A quick search shows that his wargear is Artificer Armor. Though, I doubt anyone would question it if you did run him as an Inquisitor in Terminator armor.

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GaroRobe wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not to be another Irbis, but I believe Rex is said to have specially modified Artificer Armour.


I always assumed he was in Terminator armor, but you're correct. A quick search shows that his wargear is Artificer Armor. Though, I doubt anyone would question it if you did run him as an Inquisitor in Terminator armor.

Invalidates the whole reason he was brought up, however.

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There are couple of Rogue Trader era Terminator Inquisitors, but if those are enough to warrant that option being present in the rules, then why don't any of the old (yet much more recent) power armour models warrant the same?

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Yes, I remember we had one that we used often in 2nd ed. Were the rules in Dark Millennium for them?
   
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 Crimson wrote:
 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, the lack of power armour is the biggest disappointment. Many of their old models are clearly wearing it.

Most Inquisitors dont wear power armour, only the much higher ranking ones generally. It's rarer than rocking horse sh....

That's nonsense. The sort of Inquisitors who end up on the battlefield have a good reason to wear one, and they obviously can easily get such an armour if they want. It absolutely should be an option.


I suggest reading the lore (beyond the tabletop), not just taking a glance. It is 100% not 'nonsense'. Im not saying that Inquisitors should not be allowed the option, but in fluff terms it makes a lot of sense. Im wondering whether they chose to keep it to named characters so as to make them more appealing. Generally only greatly experienced, battlefront or Lord Inquisitors will have access to power armour, and unlike many think, it is not common. Each suit has to be crafted to the wearers exact specifications, and unlike SM power armour it is not as mobile, can be somewhat of a hindernce and has a more limited power supply. An Inquisitors role does not always see them taking to the battlefield, they are not purely intended for frontline combat, but SOME do have access to powered armour.

My personal opinion; it would have been nice to have had the option to take power armour for the sake of variety. I havent seen the rules and options but I can imagine there are not a huge amount of different choices. The huge variety available to the Inquisition in Dark Heresy was great, but a lot of it wouldnt transfer to the tabletop without things becoming redundant

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I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
 
   
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Yodhrin wrote:

And Inquisitor with power sword and bolt pistol, and Coteaz, and Greyfax all appear to be in PA. So it’s not like it never happened..



Not trying to start an arguement just trying to see if there are any that actually have ever been modelled in power armour other than special characters?

Did you mean this guy? Hes not wearing what I would call power armour, no power pack, strap on plates and doesn't fully cover his body.

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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

I suggest reading the lore (beyond the tabletop), not just taking a glance. It is 100% not 'nonsense'. Im not saying that Inquisitors should not be allowed the option, but in fluff terms it makes a lot of sense. Im wondering whether they chose to keep it to named characters so as to make them more appealing. Generally only greatly experienced, battlefront or Lord Inquisitors will have access to power armour, and unlike many think, it is not common. Each suit has to be crafted to the wearers exact specifications, and unlike SM power armour it is not as mobile, can be somewhat of a hindernce and has a more limited power supply. An Inquisitors role does not always see them taking to the battlefield, they are not purely intended for frontline combat, but SOME do have access to powered armour.

It is common enough to be included even though being relatively rare in universe. Just like Jokaeros, terminator armours, daemon weapons, and indeed the Inquisitors themselves. Entire orders of SoB can be equipped with PA, it is pretty trivial for an Inquisitor to get one if they need it; they gave access to much rarer stuff. As for the novels, they're often about Inquisitors investigating stuff alone or with a small retinue; it is a bit different situation than an Inquisitor leading an army on the battlefield.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 WisdomLS wrote:
Whilst I agree that power armour option would be nice, most of the models I own aren't wearing it and a quick google doesn't show any (non-named) that have it.

Lots are wearing plate armour of some sort but with no powerpack on their back, various are wearing layered armour but with bare arms or strapped on plates - non of those is power armour.


Which would be a real issue if that was the criteria being used(it isn't, as evidenced by the availability of Terminator armour despite there being no GW Inquisitor in Terminator armour), or if there was a lack of power armoured models for people to base an Inquisitor conversion on(there really, really isn't).


I didn't mention it being an issue of any sort, I was inquiring if there have ever been any generic models for inquisitors that have had power armour, I know it used to be an option to take it and many people have perhaps modelled their own but I don't recall any actual GW models in it.

I don't know why they have retired the option but still kept the terminator armour option, happy they have as my converted dude with psycannon is one of my favourite models. One reason could be that its easy to represent a model in power armour as having carapace for rules purposes where as terminators are generally bigger models on bigger bases so would not be as easy to use as anything else, I'm all for not invalidating models :-)

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(three differently armed variants of the lady Inquisitor in power armour exists.)


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FWIW

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Current Inquisitor in Inferno/recent comics wear -- modified -- terminator armour.


Mind you... I doubt she was too much of an issue when they wrote the rules.

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Those proportions are wacky.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not to be another Irbis, but I believe Rex is said to have specially modified Artificer Armour.



They sculpted him in the wrong scale, hence his special size and modified armour. Its supposed to just be ornate power armour.

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Sterling191 wrote:
Those proportions are wacky.

If you see the comic pages , it is shown how she wears the terminator armor

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I mean, yeah she looks goofy from the outside but... I don't know if human sized terminator armours even exist?

And I believe the Terminator Inquisitor with Demonhammer is supposed to be built from the Grey Knights Terminator box, thats why it is an option.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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They're not just whacky, that's a complete farce. Like, unless she's curled up in a ball inside the torso and the entire rest of the suit is robotic - which obviously isn't how Terminators work - she would have to be some kind of horrifying Slenderman-esque mutant. EDIT: Oh, so nope, they are actually expecting people to believe she's operating that like a normal suit. Mental.

That to me looks like somebody took a look at the Hector Rex model and never bothered to find out that Rex is a sodding gigantic beast of a man, and that normally Inquisitors get the armour(of whatever type) made to fit them, so they just crammed some normal human woman into a full size Terminator suit.

Bleugh.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
They're not just whacky, that's a complete farce. Like, unless she's curled up in a ball inside the torso and the entire rest of the suit is robotic - which obviously isn't how Terminators work - she would have to be some kind of horrifying Slenderman-esque mutant.

That to me looks like somebody took a look at the Hector Rex model and never bothered to find out that Rex is a sodding gigantic beast of a man, and that normally Inquisitors get the armour(of whatever type) made to fit them, so they just crammed some normal human woman into a full size Terminator suit.

Bleugh.


Yeah, the art isn't great. It looks wrong in several ways.

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I assume the terminator armour was customized for the limbs to be basically robotic, like a Starcraft Terran Marine suit.

Theres a couple of edits out there to correct the proportions. It objetively looks better:
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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
I assume the terminator armour was customized for the limbs to be basically robotic, like a Starcraft Terran Marine suit.

She also appears to have plugs on her body, meaning basic interfacing with the armor, a la what we are seeing on the new
Repentia.

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 Apple Peel wrote:
 Galas wrote:
I assume the terminator armour was customized for the limbs to be basically robotic, like a Starcraft Terran Marine suit.

She also appears to have plugs on her body, meaning basic interfacing with the armor, a la what we are seeing on the new
Repentia.


Thats because that image is in black and white, she wears a suit like a scuba diver to interact with the armour.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
I assume the terminator armour was customized for the limbs to be basically robotic, like a Starcraft Terran Marine suit.


Its not the length of the limbs thats the issue (as stated SC Marine armor, Halo Mjolnir armor and many others provide various examples of up-scaling a human's control over a larger suit of powered armor), its the limb and torso orientation relative to the suit joints.
   
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 Crimson wrote:



(three differently armed variants of the lady Inquisitor in power armour exists.)



Thanks!

That's what I was looking for, I have one of the lady Inquisitors and wouldn't really call it power armour more some form of plate armour. The older models though certainly seem top be wearing it :-)

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Kind of weird reading all this. GW has stubbornly refused to account for basic human anatomy for Terminators for thirty years. Why would some random comic fix it?

I strongly suspect GW is loathe to let go of the "iconic" Terminator look and any such change could only ever come directly from GW's miniature designers (and even they can't be bothered, apparently - the new Chaos Terminators look worse than the old ones) or a high level concept artist that feeds his work directly to the model designers. Basically Jes Goodwin.

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Sterling191 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
I assume the terminator armour was customized for the limbs to be basically robotic, like a Starcraft Terran Marine suit.


Its not the length of the limbs thats the issue (as stated SC Marine armor, Halo Mjolnir armor and many others provide various examples of up-scaling a human's control over a larger suit of powered armor), its the limb and torso orientation relative to the suit joints.


This happens all the time. Its very easy to draw power armor as a big human without thinking about how the little human inside has to position their arms to have functioning shoulders. GW even seems to have forgotten this with the Adepticon Librarian.
   
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The plastic Custodes termies have great proportions.

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 Cruentus wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
And yet, there are no models of Inquisitors in terminator armor (nor there ever were, unless you count that beyond ancient not-GK model with not-storm bolter that is somehow a psycannon) despite rules being out. Go figure...

Nope, totally none....

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-PL/Inquisitor-Lord-Hector-Rex-and-Retinue?_requestid=3517366

No terminator armor there. Never has been.

And Inquisitor with power sword and bolt pistol, and Coteaz, and Greyfax all appear to be in PA. So it’s not like it never happened..

A) That's a named character, B) this is not terminator armor (at least according to geniuses in charge of FW rule writing):

Spoiler:

You might want to note armor name, complete lack of 5++ save, or any vehicle restriction tied to TDA models. So, close but no cigar

And dunno why you added that PA bit, my entire post was about that restriction being stupid. Especially given past female Inquisitors.

 WisdomLS wrote:
Lots are wearing plate armour of some sort but with no powerpack on their back, various are wearing layered armour but with bare arms or strapped on plates - non of those is power armour.

Erm, backpack =/= power armour. Custodes, SoS, and various Mechanicus characters all wear PA, yet none of them have backpacks, thanks to miniaturized power sources (Custodes), internal ones (Mechanicus), or simply lacking the infinite endurance of SM plate (SoS, Inquisition). Backpack is nowhere near being a requirement.

 WisdomLS wrote:
strap on plates and doesn't fully cover his body

By that standard Kharn doesn't wear PA either.
   
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I want to see the xray version of that illustration. Like, where her shoulders are, where her arms are, etc. Should be hilarious .

 
   
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 reds8n wrote:
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I want to see the xray version of that illustration. Like, where her shoulders are, where her arms are, etc. Should be hilarious .


shes sitting with her arms and legs crossed in the chest of the armor, with the rest controller by mechanical limbs. like shes piloting a tau battlesuit.

Thats how i can explain it.

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Rex’s original rules and fluff had that as terminator armour I am 99% sure but my 1st edition Vraks is at the back of the toy room under the pile o shame so cannot double check.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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 WisdomLS wrote:

Did you mean this guy? Hes not wearing what I would call power armour, no power pack, strap on plates and doesn't fully cover his body.
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 Crimson wrote:
 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

I suggest reading the lore (beyond the tabletop), not just taking a glance. It is 100% not 'nonsense'. Im not saying that Inquisitors should not be allowed the option, but in fluff terms it makes a lot of sense. Im wondering whether they chose to keep it to named characters so as to make them more appealing. Generally only greatly experienced, battlefront or Lord Inquisitors will have access to power armour, and unlike many think, it is not common. Each suit has to be crafted to the wearers exact specifications, and unlike SM power armour it is not as mobile, can be somewhat of a hindernce and has a more limited power supply. An Inquisitors role does not always see them taking to the battlefield, they are not purely intended for frontline combat, but SOME do have access to powered armour.

It is common enough to be included even though being relatively rare in universe. Just like Jokaeros, terminator armours, daemon weapons, and indeed the Inquisitors themselves. Entire orders of SoB can be equipped with PA, it is pretty trivial for an Inquisitor to get one if they need it; they gave access to much rarer stuff. As for the novels, they're often about Inquisitors investigating stuff alone or with a small retinue; it is a bit different situation than an Inquisitor leading an army on the battlefield.


Just because an Inquisitor finds himself in a battlefield situation doesnt mean he then suddenly has access to power armour if he didnt before. Look at Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Covenant, Inquisitor Czevak. It is NOT trivial for an Inquisitor to get power armour, quite the opposite. you seem to be uner the impression that Power Armour, whilst Space MArine Chapters are outfitted with it, and Sisters of Battle have it is, easy to come by. Indeed, just because he is ont the battlefield in every game down in your local store Guilliman is not just extremely rare, he is unique. Tabletop and lore dont always mesh, Marines are an extremely uncommon sight, yet we see them all the time in games. I dont have a problem with GW restricting power armour for inquisitors, but then again im more of a fluff gamer and will be adding the odd PA Inquisitor to narrative Kill Team and smaller 40k games in certain campaigns So, as it stands, it is not nonsense, in the least

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I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
 
   
 
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