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Well, the blockbusters bring in the most money. For a business in a highly capitalistic society, that's literally the ONLY thing that matters.

I'm willing to give it a chance. Last Jedi retroactively made Force Awakens worse so it's possible (however unlikely) that this final entry can redeem and wrap things up somewhat acceptably.

Well I've ridden this train this far, may as well ride it all the way. Even if it almost completely derailed with Episode 8. I can say I am not looking forward to pulling into this station.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You're arguing that a Pacino/De Niro film directed by Scorsese and with Pesci out of retirement couldn't find enough of an audience to get funded through "normal" channels?

Big studios were not going to put the money into the film because of the de-aging stuff. It is a lot of money for that, and they did not see much of a potential return.

Netflix on the other hand seems destined to spend themselves into the damned grave, so they jumped at the chance.

I wonder if Disney will delay the 2022 next movie now that the Games of Thrones creators are out of Star Wars and they were responsible for the next trilogy. I suppose that might be the real reason they suddenly announced Feige's involvement as an emergency move over to the other big franchise. I haven't watched the final couple of seasons of GOT but from everything that I heard (I followed the spoiler reviews for each episode online) the ending was about as well received as Last Jedi was so I don't know if their depature will be a good or bad thing ultimately. I wonder if we'll see a push back in the release date for the film after Rise.

Well, regardless of the outcome, I'm excited for this. I will probably always be excited about Star Wars, at least the bigger films. With Disney+, there could be a shift in the way content is shown (i.e. no more big blockbuster events), but that makes this all the more special. It would actually be interesting if Ep9 was the last big SW event movie shown in theaters alone with all other big event movies. Streaming services could end up killing the movie theater in general, which may be fitting since the first Star Wars movie kinda made the industry what it is in the first place. Correct me if wrong, but I believe the term "blockbuster" was coined shortly after SW, Jaws and other movies at the time had lines around the block, which was unusual at the time

In any case, my sons and I are ready for the premiere:

the chuckle dunces are out of the Wars ?, oh happy days indeed, shame Netflix threw them a lifeline mind

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
the chuckle dunces are out of the Wars ?, oh happy days indeed, shame Netflix threw them a lifeline mind

Even if it means that Rian Johnson's trilogy will be brought back to life like Anakin after Mustafar? I'm not sure the franchise can survive three more films filled to the brim with subverted expectations.

 warboss wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
the chuckle dunces are out of the Wars ?, oh happy days indeed, shame Netflix threw them a lifeline mind

Even if it means that Rian Johnson's trilogy will be brought back to life like Anakin after Mustafar? I'm not sure the franchise can survive three more films filled to the brim with subverted expectations.

the greatest subversion Rian pulled was by making a passable movie with the millstone of Bruce Willis to lull us in, and I'm still not convinced TLJ wasn't a tad forkwittery by committee

still will be at cinema week 1 for Rise as for some unexplicable reason my corner of the shire has a cinema with a proper gurt screen (even if the sound needs a tune up)

 warboss wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
the chuckle dunces are out of the Wars ?, oh happy days indeed, shame Netflix threw them a lifeline mind

Even if it means that Rian Johnson's trilogy will be brought back to life like Anakin after Mustafar? I'm not sure the franchise can survive three more films filled to the brim with subverted expectations.

Pretty much my worry. I didn't have an opinion on B&W really so not too fussed. I'm still reasonably certain that RJ won't be allowed anywhere near the franchise again (last month it seems he gave another public 'I'll be available to make movies soon guys' notice to try to stay on the radar).

 warboss wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
the chuckle dunces are out of the Wars ?, oh happy days indeed, shame Netflix threw them a lifeline mind

Even if it means that Rian Johnson's trilogy will be brought back to life like Anakin after Mustafar? I'm not sure the franchise can survive three more films filled to the brim with subverted expectations.

There has never been any indication that Johnson's trilogy had been axed, but ok, let's go with this. I'd still take the imaginary version of Rian Johnson you like to scapegoat over the auteurs who drove GoT off a bridge when they got bored of it.

I'd still like to see Disney flex that Marvel talent though: I'd love to see the Russos do something in the universe.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
the chuckle dunces are out of the Wars ?, oh happy days indeed, shame Netflix threw them a lifeline mind

Even if it means that Rian Johnson's trilogy will be brought back to life like Anakin after Mustafar? I'm not sure the franchise can survive three more films filled to the brim with subverted expectations.

There has never been any indication that Johnson's trilogy had been axed, but ok, let's go with this. I'd still take the imaginary version of Rian Johnson you like to scapegoat over the auteurs who drove GoT off a bridge when they got bored of it.

I'd still like to see Disney flex that Marvel talent though: I'd love to see the Russos do something in the universe.

See, that's odd to my mind. They didn't drive GoT off a cliff because they got bored, they did it because their strength is in adapting existing material and they ran out of material to adapt. So long as they were given an existing, fleshed-out story to make into a film - KotOR, Tales of the Jedi, Thrawn, any number of the better EU works - they would have done a bangup job I think.

Rian made TLJ the way he did because he's a pretentious donkey, and he's going to continue to be a pretentious donkey because that's both his personality and his "brand". If you give him more Star Wars movies, you'll get more TLJs.

I'd much rather have a solid adaptation of an existing work than another effort by Rian "my opinions about storytelling stopped maturing in my first year of film school" Johnson. Sadly it seems Lucasfilm don't agree, unless the Feige thing is a lot more significant of a shakeup than they're willing to admit publicly, which I'm not enough of an optimist about SW anymore to believe now.

I agree with Yodhrin.

GRRM is the sole fault in GoT. All the time they had solid plot to adapt, it was great.

The further they moved from such, the ropier the show got.

Considering GRRM keeps delaying the next involvement, one can reasonably infer he has absolutely no idea how to tie it all off.

The last season was flawed - but it was beautiful to regard.


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Don't agree on TLJ bits though. But hey, opinions amirite.

Interestingly, I think this is the third change of hands on Disney's offerings?

Rogue One, Solo, and now this?

Fifth, IIRC. Kennedy also canned Josh Trank back around the beginning of the whole affair, and Trevorrow was originally supposed to be doing IX.

Rian and Jar Jar are the only two directors she's actually stuck by.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

GRRM is the sole fault in GoT. All the time they had solid plot to adapt, it was great.

The further they moved from such, the ropier the show got.

I think its worse than that. The books themselves get incredibly ropy starting with book 4. I think the end of the show is pretty much exactly what the series needed to stay true to itself, but it got completely lost in Meereen trying to keep all the plates spinning while some neglected arcs played out. Too many side plots crop up trying to mine new twists as the series entered the age where the internet could rapidly untie them and its all just kind of a mess. Book 5 wants to be a gotcha so bad but its clear to anyone reading that the plot doesn't actually work without him at this point. I really don't think the series suddenly fell apart in the last couple episodes or anything like that. I think the 4th story wasn't steady enough to support anything above it.

 Yodhrin wrote:
See, that's odd to my mind. They didn't drive GoT off a cliff because they got bored, they did it because their strength is in adapting existing material and they ran out of material to adapt. So long as they were given an existing, fleshed-out story to make into a film - KotOR, Tales of the Jedi, Thrawn, any number of the better EU works - they would have done a bangup job I think.

To be clear, I don't fault them for the difficulties that naturally arise as you run out of source material or the general decline in seasons 6 and 7 (and portions of 5). I'm talking about the sudden and remarkable collapse that is season 8. The one that doesn't require you to be a military genius to see that charging all your cavalry straight into the massive oncoming undead horde is a bad idea, the one that doesn't require you to dissect the battle scene in slow motion to notice the same character got dragged to certain death by the same undead horde three times already, the one that doesn't require you to pour over years of obscure lore to recognize that hiding in a crypt from an army that raises the dead is a bad idea.

And all of that came after the announcement that they'd be working on Star Wars, after they were confident they had a post-GoT career. Better they be off doing what they want to do then making Star Wars while distracted by what they'd rather be doing.

Edit: I'm of the same mind regarding GRRM, if he isn't enthused enough to finish the books then he shouldn't. No ending is infinitely preferable to a shoddy one.

Rian made TLJ the way he did because he's a pretentious donkey, and he's going to continue to be a pretentious donkey because that's both his personality and his "brand". If you give him more Star Wars movies, you'll get more TLJs.

I can agree on the principle that more and more varied directors across the franchise is preferable to the same approach as an existing movie - but I haven't seen any other movie by him except Looper so I can't really say I've noticed a 'brand' of his.

Guys this is the SW thread. The GOT thread is two doors down.

 Frazzled wrote:
Guys this is the SW thread. The GOT thread is two doors down.

*Grumble grumble* Whipper snappers moving my threads around *Grumble*

Does anyone else dress up for premieres? It's a personal tradition of mine for all main Star Wars films. If Ep9 is indeed the conclusion, I'll have to dress up for one more film

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 Galef wrote:
Does anyone else dress up for premieres? It's a personal tradition of mine for all main Star Wars films. If Ep9 is indeed the conclusion, I'll have to dress up for one more film

Posting this again as it seems to have been lost in the on-going conversation

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I don't but appreciate it when others do (as long as they're not going full on annoying method actor onto unwilling fellow moviegoers). The closest I did was joke about it. When I went to see Last Jedi with a younger cousin, I stopped halfway across the parking lot on the way to the front of the theatre and said we had to turn back because I forgot my lightsaber and costume in the car. The look of fear/embarassment on his teenage face was priceless.

I wore my ring to Green Lantern. It didn't really help though... :(

I wore my Deadpool Halloween costume for the release of Deadpool. Went to an Alamo Drafthouse. Was quite fun. I kept getting “all hot and bothered” when Bea Arthur came on screen for the Drafthouse’s previews. Made the guy next to me very nervous (and he was a friend).

RJ also made Brick, which is a pretty fun movie.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rian made TLJ the way he did because he's a pretentious donkey, and he's going to continue to be a pretentious donkey because that's both his personality and his "brand". If you give him more Star Wars movies, you'll get more TLJs.

That's fine by me.

TLJ was apparently based on George Lucas' original plan.

But hey, this is about Episode IX.

I'm genuinely torn between seeing the triple bill (starting at 6pm with TFA), and just seeing Episode IX.

On one hand, Triple Bills are grate. And this could be the last time I can do it for Star Wars when I haven't seen the third.

On the other, it's a helluva long time in the Cinema, and I could do it from home, then go see IX. Also, it'd require me to work from both days, or take one as annual leave. And as I'm out of annual leave, that requires volunteering for a Saturday shift - aka four hours on the phones being whined at.

Hmmm.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
TLJ was apparently based on George Lucas' original plan.

But hey, this is about Episode IX.

I'm genuinely torn between seeing the triple bill (starting at 6pm with TFA), and just seeing Episode IX.

On one hand, Triple Bills are grate. And this could be the last time I can do it for Star Wars when I haven't seen the third.

On the other, it's a helluva long time in the Cinema, and I could do it from home, then go see IX. Also, it'd require me to work from both days, or take one as annual leave. And as I'm out of annual leave, that requires volunteering for a Saturday shift - aka four hours on the phones being whined at.

Hmmm.

Working the phones!

Not worthy it!

4 hours of whining? Doesn't sound all that different from a Star Wars debate.

 insaniak wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rian made TLJ the way he did because he's a pretentious donkey, and he's going to continue to be a pretentious donkey because that's both his personality and his "brand". If you give him more Star Wars movies, you'll get more TLJs.

That's fine by me.

Yeah, me too.

No accounting for (lack of)taste

 Galef wrote:
Does anyone else dress up for premieres? It's a personal tradition of mine for all main Star Wars films. If Ep9 is indeed the conclusion, I'll have to dress up for one more film

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Didn't disney already announce 3 movies? They ain't concluding anything while it can be made to money. Sequel of sequel. Or reboot. Well 7-8 were already basically reboots. Reboot of a reboot