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 Galef wrote:
Does anyone else dress up for premieres? It's a personal tradition of mine for all main Star Wars films. If Ep9 is indeed the conclusion, I'll have to dress up for one more film

Posting this again as it seems to have been lost in the on-going conversation

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Saw an old print showing of Aliens that was introduced by a unit of Colonial Marines. I was ordered to switch my phone off - which went off by accident...

"Sorry Sarge!"

...which gave everyone a good chuckle. Even funnier was the warped sound through out the movie!


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tneva82 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Does anyone else dress up for premieres? It's a personal tradition of mine for all main Star Wars films. If Ep9 is indeed the conclusion, I'll have to dress up for one more film

Posting this again as it seems to have been lost in the on-going conversation

Spoiler:

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Didn't disney already announce 3 movies? They ain't concluding anything while it can be made to money. Sequel of sequel. Or reboot. Well 7-8 were already basically reboots. Reboot of a reboot

Rise of Skywalker is the conclusion of the main Skywalker story thread, not the Star Wars franchise as a whole. It'll be new heroes and villians going forward.

I can't say anymore than that otherwise Kathleen will be after me...

tneva82 wrote:

Didn't disney already announce 3 movies? They ain't concluding anything while it can be made to money. Sequel of sequel. Or reboot. Well 7-8 were already basically reboots. Reboot of a reboot

They've announced other trilogies are happening, but Ep9 is the conclusion of the 'Skywalker Saga'.

 insaniak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Didn't disney already announce 3 movies? They ain't concluding anything while it can be made to money. Sequel of sequel. Or reboot. Well 7-8 were already basically reboots. Reboot of a reboot

They've announced other trilogies are happening, but Ep9 is the conclusion of the 'Skywalker Saga'.

I believe it when i see it. Ep6 was already supposed to conclude that until disney got hand of rights and went for reboot in all but name.

Ep6 was more when they decided to quit pushing the movies, but it was far from the end. I think the original plan was 12(?) including an Ep0 and old man Luke passing the baton.

Lucas' original plan for Episodes 7-9 was to concentrate on microscopic world of Midichlorians and Whills. He did mention this idea to Disney when he sold the franchise, but they weren't excited. Can't really blame them. Lucas dryly noted that "I'm sure everyone would have hated my saga".
Lucas in turn was big time disappointed with TFA, and really can't blame him either.

In EU stories, Palpatine was of course resurrected at least in 'Dark Empire' and maybe some others, don't know.

Backfire wrote:
Lucas' original plan for Episodes 7-9 was to concentrate on microscopic world of Midichlorians and Whills. He did mention this idea to Disney when he sold the franchise, but they weren't excited. Can't really blame them. Lucas dryly noted that "I'm sure everyone would have hated my saga".
Lucas in turn was big time disappointed with TFA, and really can't blame him either.

In EU stories, Palpatine was of course resurrected at least in 'Dark Empire' and maybe some others, don't know.

I am curious if we're ever going to see more of the world Ezra enters towards the end of Rebels. That was kind of a big deal to just kind of casually insert into the cannon like that.

Isn't there a confirmed series for that? Announced about the same time as the new CW season? Or was that just speculation?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Isn't there a confirmed series for that? Announced about the same time as the new CW season? Or was that just speculation?

Not that I recall, just speculation.

TBH if they do make that show, they could do with making it the Sabine & Ahsoka vs Thrawn Show(with very occasional guest appearance by That Other One). Nobody needs much more Ezra in their life, surely.

I'm not talking about wherever the whales jump to with him and Thrawn. I'm talking about when the temple lets them enter some kind of time singularity that seems to be how Force adepts are able to get glimpses of the future. Ezra uses it to have already rescued Ahsoka from Vader in season 2.

tneva82 wrote:

I believe it when i see it. Ep6 was already supposed to conclude that until disney got hand of rights and went for reboot in all but name.

Lucas was already working on movies 7-9 when he sold the brand to Disney.

Way back in the day, he used to say that he had plans for 12 movies. Somewhere along the line that changed to 9, and then when he made the Prequels the story suddenly changed to him only 'ever' intending there to be 6 movies, as it was apparently 'always' supposed to be the story of Anakin's rise, fall and redemption, and that story was now complete. And then he decided to make another three anyway, went as far as writing up a draft, got the principle actors on board, and then sold it all to Disney.

So the sequel trilogy was always going to happen, Disney just chose to go in a different direction to what Lucas had planned... which, honestly, sounds like it was for the best.

 insaniak wrote:

Way back in the day, he used to say that he had plans for 12 movies. Somewhere along the line that changed to 9, and then when he made the Prequels the story suddenly changed to him only 'ever' intending there to be 6 movies, as it was apparently 'always' supposed to be the story of Anakin's rise, fall and redemption, and that story was now complete. And then he decided to make another three anyway, went as far as writing up a draft, got the principle actors on board, and then sold it all to Disney.

It's worth noting that of the original 12, there were actually supposed to be 4 prequels. The proper 1-3 story arc of the fall of the Republic and an Ep0 prelude that more or less ended up becoming The Phantom Menace. That's a big part of why 1 is so disconnected from 2-3.

I blame the midichlorians.

 LunarSol wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Way back in the day, he used to say that he had plans for 12 movies. Somewhere along the line that changed to 9, and then when he made the Prequels the story suddenly changed to him only 'ever' intending there to be 6 movies, as it was apparently 'always' supposed to be the story of Anakin's rise, fall and redemption, and that story was now complete. And then he decided to make another three anyway, went as far as writing up a draft, got the principle actors on board, and then sold it all to Disney.

It's worth noting that of the original 12, there were actually supposed to be 4 prequels. The proper 1-3 story arc of the fall of the Republic and an Ep0 prelude that more or less ended up becoming The Phantom Menace. That's a big part of why 1 is so disconnected from 2-3.

Its mostly just the big time skip, and the child actor. Episode 1 is just completely unnecessary in every way. Padawan Anakin assigned to protect Peace Party senator Amidala would've covered everything relevant in 2 & 3 with no trouble, and then they could have had a movie between 2 and 3 that actually covers some of the war parts of the 'Clone Wars' and develops Grevious and the other throw-away characters that aren't developed at all, so we know who they are for movie 3.

Voss wrote:
Its mostly just the big time skip, and the child actor. Episode 1 is just completely unnecessary in every way. Padawan Anakin assigned to protect Peace Party senator Amidala would've covered everything relevant in 2 & 3 with no trouble, and then they could have had a movie between 2 and 3 that actually covers some of the war parts of the 'Clone Wars' and develops Grevious and the other throw-away characters that aren't developed at all, so we know who they are for movie 3.

I totally agree with this.
Ep1 should have been teen Anakin being discovered during the eve of the Clone Wars.
Ep2 could then have been the Clone Wars itself with a more grown, but still teen Anakin
Ep3 then is adult Anakin and his fall as the Clone Wars end

That arc would have allowed the use of the same actor for Anakin for all 3 movies and could have developed Anakin and Obi-wans relationship as the main 2 Protagonists.
Then you still with the SAME baddie/baddies for all 3 movies. Maul/Dooku/Grevious easily could have been condensed into 2 main Antagonists working for Sidious.
Ep1 Could introduce Maul, who gets defeated, but not killed
Ep2 Maul is back with robo legs, but because of his "failure" Sidious has a new General, which could be a former Jedi like Dooku
Ep3 both get defeated for good

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Welp, I just heard some spoilers for Episode 9.

I hope these are made up, because otherwise- I was content to say "I don't like the new Star Wars" and "It's not my Star Wars, I'll pass".

If these leaks are true, this is outright vandalism of the Star Wars canon and an absolute middle finger to everyone who enjoys the classic trilogy.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Welp, I just heard some spoilers for Episode 9.

I hope these are made up, because otherwise- I was content to say "I don't like the new Star Wars" and "It's not my Star Wars, I'll pass".

If these leaks are true, this is outright vandalism of the Star Wars canon and an absolute middle finger to everyone who enjoys the classic trilogy.

Yeah, there have been a series of big supposed insider leaks... some of which build on each other (whether because of veracity or sequential BSing I don't know) and others conflict. What I have seen though is that actual picture leaks that came out a week or two ago jive with some of the leaks as well so there may be some truth to some of them. Part of the inaccuracy as well might be due to (again rumored so ) significant multiple rounds of late reshoots.

What kinds of spoilers we talkin’ ‘bout here? Time travel? Possessed Ewoks?

Let's keep the actual content out of the thread shall we? Given that spoilers tags don't work in post previews, prolly best go find it somewhere else.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What kinds of spoilers we talkin’ ‘bout here? Time travel? Possessed Ewoks?

As already written, it's probably best to keep the thread spoiler free. If you go to youtube and search star wars spoiler and list the results by date, the last day or two will be chock full of videos that explain the latest round of spoilers.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What kinds of spoilers we talkin’ ‘bout here? Time travel? Possessed Ewoks?

In a nutshell: "Let's do everything we can to make people hate Rey even more, and maybe make people who like her actually hate her. Because we're just not quite ready to go out, take this entire franchise and throw it in a pile, and then just curl off a big meaty cable of feces right on top of it before we take a flamethrower to the whole damned thing."

I can't even comprehend the mindset that would assume malicious intent rather than just that Disney's vision for Star Wars is different to your personal preference.

Or getting his undies knotted over a probably made up rumour.

 insaniak wrote:
I can't even comprehend the mindset that would assume malicious intent rather than just that Disney's vision for Star Wars is different to your personal preference.

You know, people are allowed to dislike things- right?

Yes, it's not to my liking.

Provided these rumors are true, I'll question the dignity of any human being that does.

I'm really, REALLY hoping these rumors are true.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or getting his undies knotted over a probably made up rumour.

Kinda like how yours form a full Windsor when people criticize the movies?

If you were actually paying attention, I alluded to the fact that the rumors could very well be made up. So, try again.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

You know, people are allowed to dislike things- right?

Sure. My point was that not liking something doesn't mean that thing was specifically made to annoy you personally. More likely, it just means that different people like different things.

 insaniak wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

You know, people are allowed to dislike things- right?

Sure. My point was that not liking something doesn't mean that thing was specifically made to annoy you personally. More likely, it just means that different people like different things.

I'd be flattered if someone made something awful just to annoy me. Especially Star Wars. It'd be the most ego-inflating thing that anyone has ever done for me.

Unfortunately, the scary part is- if these spoilers are true (and I hope not)- "We did this specifically to ruin it and make people angry" would be a response that would bring me comfort, and make me at least have some closure. If they're true, it's... well, it's a really bad direction and it almost seems disrespectful to the canon.

So, fingers crossed.

And please, Insaniak- don't act like my hyperbolic criticism was anything out of the ordinary for this site. You and I have both seen people talk about Primaris Marines and Codex changes like someone took their toddler and cast it into a bonfire made of their life savings and treasured possessions. Apparently, GW is the supervillain that other supervillains don't admit to working with.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
. You and I have both seen people talk about Primaris Marines and Codex changes like someone took their toddler and cast it into a bonfire made of their life savings and treasured possessions

Yes, people get a bit over the top with their complaints sometimes. Assuming that a release you don't like was made because a company is trying to sabotage its own IP is way beyond hyperbole and into crazy conspiracy theory territory, though.

If you honestly feel better assuming deliberate sabotage than simply that the people making the movie like different things to you, then you do you.

I'm just expecting an action movie with lightsabers and spaceships. I suspect that one of us is going to be significantly more disappointed than the other...

 insaniak wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
. You and I have both seen people talk about Primaris Marines and Codex changes like someone took their toddler and cast it into a bonfire made of their life savings and treasured possessions

Yes, people get a bit over the top with their complaints sometimes. Assuming that a release you don't like was made because a company is trying to sabotage its own IP is way beyond hyperbole and into crazy conspiracy theory territory, though.

If you honestly feel better assuming deliberate sabotage than simply that the people making the movie like different things to you, then you do you.

I'm just expecting an action movie with lightsabers and spaceships. I suspect that one of us is going to be significantly more disappointed than the other...

Rumor has it- and I don't know how reliable it is, but I indulged the explanation.

Sabotage might be the goal- supposedly, there's no future big cash in the classic stuff. Carrie is dead, Hammil is old, Ford is done with it and old, and the store itself is pretty much tapped out. So they might be doing exactly what they said, letting the past die and killing it if they must. Also, supposedly Lucas still has some degree of royalties or something from the old characters, so Disney kinda wants to be done with all of that.

Again, that's the rumor. I can't validate it and I don't care to.

I don't like the movies. I really don't like the way the canon has been handled.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

And for me, at best, this franchise has become stupid.

Mandalorian might be the only decent thing they crank out for a long time- and already I feel like I'm watching a toddler reach into my miniatures case.

That's exactly the same 'rumour' that's been floating around since TLJ came out. And the existence of Solo and the upcoming Kenobi series make the idea that they're trying to remove all of the old characters something of a nonsense.

 insaniak wrote:
That's exactly the same 'rumour' that's been floating around since TLJ came out. And the existence of Solo and the upcoming Kenobi series make the idea that they're trying to remove all of the old characters something of a nonsense.

Solo sucked, and actually performed the worst of all the Star Wars movie.

And I was under the impression the Kenobi series was canned.

The kenobi series is apparently a real thing now. The issue I had with Solo is they are telling a story that I didn't really feel was worth telling. The appeal of Solo as a character for me was solely based around Harrison Ford kind of just being himself with his charisma. It wasn't a story worth telling, and not everything needs to be explained away. When nothing is left to imagination or mystery things get boring. I never wanted or cared to know about what he did pre ANH. And they used the film to insert a horrendous cameo of maul, confirming one of the worst character arcs to come from the cartoons.