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Gathering the Informations.

Pressure of the Deeps will require you to not be playing one of the Enclaves that mandate a specific spell be taken by your Tidecasters. Just wanted to bring that up.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Pressure of the Deeps will require you to not be playing one of the Enclaves that mandate a specific spell be taken by your Tidecasters. Just wanted to bring that up.


Correct. This does not concern the Eidolon I think? Put those restrictions are pretty annoying.
   
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IDK player needs a double turn to pull off a first-turn champion snipe on the archers... if the archers are right up on the line of a 18" separated deployment zone. Which, with their 30" range, will be unlikely.

I just don't really see it being a viable option. Besides, if a wizard is within range to cast Pressure of the Depths... its very likely also in range for a gakload of spear attacks, that pump out far more mortal wounds than the archers do, if I may add. Or, they're in range to get hammered in the face or wrecked by Lumineth magic.

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Gathering the Informations.

 Astmeister wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Pressure of the Deeps will require you to not be playing one of the Enclaves that mandate a specific spell be taken by your Tidecasters. Just wanted to bring that up.


Correct. This does not concern the Eidolon I think? Put those restrictions are pretty annoying.

It does not concern the Eidolon of the Sea(which is the caster version) and future potential wizards.
   
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BTW slightly off topic but independent stores generally do they take orders for limited preorders for more than they can deliver? Ie just because you got order in and money taken doesn't actually quarantee you get the product?

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tneva82 wrote:
BTW slightly off topic but independent stores generally do they take orders for limited preorders for more than they can deliver? Ie just because you got order in and money taken doesn't actually quarantee you get the product?


Where I live, there is a FLGS that I would love to support, but the last limited release products that I tried to get, Carrion Empire and Feast of Bones, both of them didn't arrive to the store at all. Had to drive for hours to go to a store that still had them in stock. This time, I'm ordering it directly through GW and getting it delivered straight to my house.

So, basically, there's no garentee that a FLGS will be sent the boxes that they ordered. I'll go to the FLGS in my town for non-limited or brand new things, but for any new release I want right away, or limited release things, I order right to my home through GW's webstore.

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Gathering the Informations.

 Thadin wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
BTW slightly off topic but independent stores generally do they take orders for limited preorders for more than they can deliver? Ie just because you got order in and money taken doesn't actually quarantee you get the product?


Where I live, there is a FLGS that I would love to support, but the last limited release products that I tried to get, Carrion Empire and Feast of Bones, both of them didn't arrive to the store at all. Had to drive for hours to go to a store that still had them in stock. This time, I'm ordering it directly through GW and getting it delivered straight to my house.

So, basically, there's no garentee that a FLGS will be sent the boxes that they ordered. I'll go to the FLGS in my town for non-limited or brand new things, but for any new release I want right away, or limited release things, I order right to my home through GW's webstore.

And to add to this, it also depends on whether the independent has a trade account with GW or if they use another distributor.

If they have a trade account? Safe bet that they'll get allocated enough to cover their preorders, or they'll at least know how many they will be allocated the same day they get all the info.
Using another distributor? That's a bit trickier.

Of course it also requires them to be up front about that kind of info. Seen a few local shops that don't have trade accounts blame my local GW getting stocked for why they don't get any.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Thadin wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
BTW slightly off topic but independent stores generally do they take orders for limited preorders for more than they can deliver? Ie just because you got order in and money taken doesn't actually quarantee you get the product?


Where I live, there is a FLGS that I would love to support, but the last limited release products that I tried to get, Carrion Empire and Feast of Bones, both of them didn't arrive to the store at all. Had to drive for hours to go to a store that still had them in stock. This time, I'm ordering it directly through GW and getting it delivered straight to my house.

So, basically, there's no garentee that a FLGS will be sent the boxes that they ordered. I'll go to the FLGS in my town for non-limited or brand new things, but for any new release I want right away, or limited release things, I order right to my home through GW's webstore.

And to add to this, it also depends on whether the independent has a trade account with GW or if they use another distributor.

If they have a trade account? Safe bet that they'll get allocated enough to cover their preorders, or they'll at least know how many they will be allocated the same day they get all the info.
Using another distributor? That's a bit trickier.

Of course it also requires them to be up front about that kind of info. Seen a few local shops that don't have trade accounts blame my local GW getting stocked for why they don't get any.


Oh, that makes sense now. The owner of the FLGS has never blamed GW, but instead blames their 'distributor' for not sending anything. I didn't know that there was a difference in set up like that.

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Gathering the Informations.

Oh yeah, it's a fairly big deal. GW's trade stuff is supposed to be fairly good but it has 'mandated items' as part of it.

Distributors, to my outsider looking in at that side of things perspective, just seem to add an extra layer between the independent and actually getting things.
   
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 Thadin wrote:
IDK player needs a double turn to pull off a first-turn champion snipe on the archers... if the archers are right up on the line of a 18" separated deployment zone. Which, with their 30" range, will be unlikely.

I just don't really see it being a viable option. Besides, if a wizard is within range to cast Pressure of the Depths... its very likely also in range for a gakload of spear attacks, that pump out far more mortal wounds than the archers do, if I may add. Or, they're in range to get hammered in the face or wrecked by Lumineth magic.



This might not be good against archers but like i said they are broken. But it might be good against spear men. You of course would not just put a tide caster 12 inch away from them without back up.
   
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-Guardsman- wrote:
Models look good, but I really wish GW recovered the long-lost STC for the making of poseable models.


From what I remember reading, the models were all designed so that the robes/cloaks etc all appear to be fluttering in the same direction to give the models the impression that they are stood with a breeze blowing against them when you deploy them or stick them in a display case. This may have limited the ammount of posing that you get to use in your unit selection.

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-Guardsman- wrote:
Models look good, but I really wish GW recovered the long-lost STC for the making of poseable models.


Here you go;
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Painting-Modelling?N=1088720681+1219943583&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1592830260000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1592830260000%5D

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Painting-Modelling?N=1088720681+899303298&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1592830320000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1592830320000%5D
   
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I'm fine with mono-poses that look good as opposed to multi-poses that all look stiff.

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Honestly when I look back on a lot of multi-pose models most only have a handful of actual valid poses you can pick anyway. Varied weapon/upgrade/bling options yes please, but often as not at the scale, complexity and skill of building for a GW model, the variable poses are very limited. Esp once you leave off big ball and socket joints that really don't work with every faction (in fact they work best on something like tyranids where they appear "normal" but once you start putting them on troops they can throw up all kinds of problems for humans/elves etc..).


So overall I don't mind the mono-pose because the poses are way better than varied pose models could give us and we'd likely as not have that many poses anyway in a practical world.


The key isn't the posability but the character of the model. Eg the Warcry Warbands tend to have more individuality to each model, whilst the average troop unit for AoS might still be monopose, but the character is less "individual" in style.

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Pfft, what do you mean? Marines squatting down low with their guns held at varying heights were the best GW kits ever made!

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On the lineup of the Light Elves I must say that they have a too limited miniature range. There is not even a single generic melee character available. It is clear that GW wants to expand on the range, since they tease the other elementar factions. But the book is brand new and do they really want to make it obsolet in no time?
   
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It's a problem that other new model lines in AoS have. Idoneth Deepkin lack a generic melee hero, Ossiarch bonereapers lack a generic melee hero. Generic in the sense of unmounted, no gimmicky ability (Like the Isharan Soulrender for IDK). The new lines are fantastic looking and for the most part quite strong... but lacking in fleshed out options.

I was taking a look at the Vanari Dawnriders. Their Deathly Furrows ability has no limitation on which melee weapon it effects, as far as I can see. It takes the unit from...

Two champion sword attacks, 5 Lance attacks, and 10 Horse attacks.

Against 2 wound, unmounted units it goes to...

Three sword attacks, 10 lance attacks and 15 horse attacks.

Against single wound, unmounted models, you get

4 sword attacks, 15 lance attacks and 20 hoof attacks.

That's a whole truckload of attacks. The champions sword is 3+/4+/-1/1D. Horse attacks are 4+/+4+/-/1D. Lances are 3+/4+/-/1D but go up to a 3+ to wound and -1 rend on the charge. As well, 6s to hit(5s if they get their spell off) turn in to mortal wounds on the lance? For 130pts, these gents seem pretty damn solid, and this is all without support tools included.

Toss the doubled movement spell on them for a sweet 28" movement? Tasty.

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Gathering the Informations.

Ehhh...the Soulrenders might be 'gimmicky', but so are most heroes in general. The generic Akhelian King is definitely about as 'generic' as they come, same with the Ossiarch Bonereapers' Lieve-Kavalos.
   
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I suppose, but I guess what I'm looking for is a lower point value, unmounted melee dude with a buff ability or something. They've already got Ahkelian Princes so... Ahkelian Duke? Baron? Same for Ossiarchs. A 100-150pt cost hero on foot that delivers the slaps for a low cost.

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Gathering the Informations.

We don't have "Akhelian" Princes.
Akhelian Kings are the generic hero choice on Deepmare.
Lochian Princes are the unit champions for the Akhelian Guard(Morrsarr/Ishlaen units). We don't know why they're called "Lochian" as far as I'm aware, so we still could get something called an Akhelian Prince as well...although it's possible we might see the 'Akhelian Emissary' from the Soulbound RPG make the jump instead. It's a middling rank (apparently sometimes used as a punishment for the more warlike) Akhelians to interface with their allies. They commonly wear a 'cloak of tides'(or something to that effect--the insinuation seemed to be that it's what the Eidolon has?) and/or ride on an Allopex or eel.

With that out of the way, we aren't getting Akhelians on foot per GW's current setups. Akhelians are the Knights of the Idoneth...and they start off their careers as crew on Leviadons or Allopexes!
Isharaan are the Wizard/Priest castes.


I could see, potentially, something coming of the 'Embailors' for what you want. They're the beast tamers and have specially trained and equipped Namarti 'huntsmen' that come with them.
   
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I was going to say, IDK has generic melee heroes lol. Just 1 is costly and the other is way to weak. The King is solid tho and when i was playing them in comp i would even take 2 at times.

A lot just doesn't have a solid mid tier hero 120-180 point range like chaos does.

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I'm not exactly worried about the size of the AOS armies right now. This second edition is just setting the base for the various faction of the universe. The third one wll see them grow. I'll actually be worried if and when the faction get to a point where their lineup gets bloated with units. That's when game system and development breaks down and you end up with the most terrible balance issues, models falling the wayside in terms of age and entire faction reboots and, often, terrible storyline to explain them.
   
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AoS has never really had generic heroes; everyone has always had some sort of gimmick or ability. The most generic would be when that ability was too weak or too niche to be notable.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
FWIW, if I was judging and someone wanted to use white lions counts-as for hammer bois I'd be fine with it.

Both thank you and curse you in equal measure .

I've decided to try a novel new approach to these Elves. For the first time in 25 years of this hobby I will buy and complete one kit at a time! What madness!

First up is my Teclis. It involves his original model, a Dragon and Aetherquartz.

Are we fairly certain he's on the dinner platter base that Archaon is on?

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I think that is going to last about as long as a new year's resolution!

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think that is going to last about as long as a new year's resolution!

I definitely wouldn't put any money on the line I think I'll have a decent shot this time as I'm far more of a collector/painter of GW stuff than a gamer at this point.
I'll at least succeed until they break them up into kits.

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I do wish you luck!

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I tried the same thing for Idoneth Deepkin and failed miserably. Because just 3 days ago I ordered the Lumineth box. I did not even want to buy it in the first place but it was available on waylandgames for about 100 Euro. XD
   
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I must admit, I am a bit tilted by the lumineth getting a what looks to be a better version of aethergold than my KO
   
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stratigo wrote:
I must admit, I am a bit tilted by the lumineth getting a what looks to be a better version of aethergold than my KO


The Lumineth seem to be crazily good. They just have the new Army Book syndrome, so I would not give to much on this. Like I said they can pretty reliably put 11 MW on 30 inch on an invisible character.
   
 
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