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I wanted to order two sets, because I've got no idea when the boxes alone are going to come out. But all the extra gubbins probably made it not worth, just went for one.

As solid as the army looks, I don't know if it'll stand up to the really nasty armies in the game. We'll have to wait and see, but I predict a toss-up against things like FEC and Skaven, beating Slaanesh, and losing hard to Tzeentch and maybe Seraphon.

Just a feeling that they'll be among or below the top tier, but struggling against some things. I don't have enough experience against KO to mention them, but they look like they're doing alright in tournaments.

I agree. It is a pity though, since you probably need more spear elves and horse elves.

stratigo wrote:
I must admit, I am a bit tilted by the lumineth getting a what looks to be a better version of aethergold than my KO

I'm not sure, aether gold shares are pretty flexible in their use. Have to see the full rule listing for aetherquartz first. KO also have extremely easy access to battleshock-immunity bubbles, something that we do not know if Lumineth will have.

Well Wayland did get enough stock or I got lucky(was bit worried with limited edition box whether wayland would get enough. Some boxes 3rd parties haven't been able to fulfil all before) so Lumineth will be my 2nd AOS army. Started GW games with high elves so this has strong, very strong, nostalgic feel to me. Too bad it's Teclins and not Tyrion side but maybe later.

Will be doing this on slow growth. No rush to paint and buy more. I already have more than 2k for AOS so I can play just fine. Let's paint these properly.

The "militia" sorts, the Wardens, Sentinels and Dawnriders are meant to be the Tyrion-inspired side of the Line, right? I imagine... and hope, for major additions to the army to flesh things out more.

 Thadin wrote:
The "militia" sorts, the Wardens, Sentinels and Dawnriders are meant to be the Tyrion-inspired side of the Line, right? I imagine... and hope, for major additions to the army to flesh things out more.

Barring Stormcast most AoS armies want one of two things

1) Replacement of old sculpts with modern plastics

2) Expansion of army to at least double its current roster size in kits.


A lot of the "new" armies are very small and could easily take doubling of their roster count to add variety and diversity within the force.

Oh for sure, a lot of armies could do with a much bigger roster. I wonder when GW will stop making new armies, and instead go back to the ones they already have. I like the new armies though, don't get me wrong.

Well before Corona DoK were getting a new Warcry warband. Which considering that I think Warcry will stick around long term (its a great way to sell terrain packs that traditionally GW had a hard time selling) would suggest to me that every major army will get at least one warcry warband set. Giving every army a "one box warcry warband" option to go alongside the regular troops for the game.

 Thadin wrote:
Oh for sure, a lot of armies could do with a much bigger roster. I wonder when GW will stop making new armies, and instead go back to the ones they already have. I like the new armies though, don't get me wrong.

I think they are currently going for the holes in the lore and putting in armies for those factions. Lumineth, for example, sits rather nicely into that plan. After Lumineth and Behemat I expect we'll see Malerion and his aelves as well as Kurnoth later down the road.

Next year we are very likely going to get AoS 3.0 which means that the cycle begins anew and factions will be revisited. Maybe we will see some expansion of existing armies.

I also get the feeling from the rumor engines that we might be seeing a new AoS Warhammer Quest and that might give them an opportunity to add some heroes to many rosters.

 Overread wrote:
Well before Corona DoK were getting a new Warcry warband. Which considering that I think Warcry will stick around long term (its a great way to sell terrain packs that traditionally GW had a hard time selling) would suggest to me that every major army will get at least one warcry warband set. Giving every army a "one box warcry warband" option to go alongside the regular troops for the game.

The term used, if I remember correctly, when discussing them was "Daughters of Khaine adjacent". The bigger thing was that these were not necessarily faction but Realm specific. Khaininite Shadowstalkers were from Ulgu and their wargear and abilities would reflect that.

The Daughters of Khaine are Realm specific to start with. Their core faction settlements are based in the Realm of Shadow.

This is fairly common, most factions have a central home that they come from. Death factions all come from the Death Realm; most of the Destruction factions have their core powerbase in Ghur; meanwhile Daughters of Khaine and Malarion's aelves come from Shadow. The Dispossessed technically come from the realm of Metal before they were basically kicked out and are now roaming in the Cities of Sigmar which are in most realms.

The Sylvaneth are from the Realm of Life etc..


Again these don't limit those factions to those regions, they are simply their core powerbase that also influences the visual styles that GW uses for the army.

Daughters of Khaine didn't start in Ulgu though. They moved there.

Eh... armies aren't as realm-specific as you are implying there.

My box was all also send by Wayland. Do you guys like the alarith models? I personally hate them.

I like the big cows, but not much a fan of the elfs with cow helmets. Particularly, just the helmets suck. I like the rest of the model. Going to see if these spare heads I have around will look good on them instead of the helmet they've got already.

I got shipping confirmation today from GW, ordered directly through them. Estimated delivery date of Tuesday. Here's hoping. I've got my 'stand in' Sisters of Averlorn just about painted up to act as some Sentinels, and all my bases pre-made for when the other models arrive. Except for Eltharion, need to figure out what I'm doing with him, once I've got the model in hand. The SoA scale may look a bit off compared to the actual Sentinels once I get them, but I really like the models and they were great to test out a paint scheme.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Eh... armies aren't as realm-specific as you are implying there.

The core settlements of most of the factions are. This doesn't mean that any race can't appear on any realm - in general every faction appears in some form in every realm. It just means that they have a core that defines them which is the general angle that GW uses for a unified design aesthetic.

So its true that the "home" of the Daughters of Khaine is the Shadow Realm. Their capitol, most of their greater core temples and settlements and their overall visual designs all herald from that region. Of course at the same time they also have temples and shrines and fight clubs in many of the most major settlements around the realms. So you can have a local temple that comes from Ghur and convert them to highlight that aspect if you want.

The realm that hosts their 'core' defines different factions to a very different degree. Lumineth are based in Hysh, and that is an overwhelming presence in every aspect of the army. It is not at all equivalent to how DoK are based in Ulgu; the tie to the realm is completely different in scope and implementation. Some armies have very direct ties to certain realms that will dominate their theme no matter where they go, others like the DoK just happen to live mainly in one of them.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The realm that hosts their 'core' defines different factions to a very different degree. Lumineth are based in Hysh, and that is an overwhelming presence in every aspect of the army. It is not at all equivalent to how DoK are based in Ulgu; the tie to the realm is completely different in scope and implementation. Some armies have very direct ties to certain realms that will dominate their theme no matter where they go, others like the DoK just happen to live mainly in one of them.

Could you expand on what you mean by "an overwhelming presence in every aspect of the army"? The DoK book references Ulgu very frequently, their spell lore and many of their artifacts are explicitly shadow-magic, they have shadow magic units (doomfire warlocks), and even a couple "shadow" battalions. Are you referring more to the lore about LRL being closely linked to the various spirits of their realm?

 Astmeister wrote:
Do you guys like the alarith models? I personally hate them.

Eh.
I don't hate them, but I'm also not impressed by them either. Maybe if I saw one of the models in person? For now they'll remain off my shopping list.

The models I'm more concerned with are the hammer elves. Specifically wether or not that stupid looking cow piece can be left off their helmets (or is easy to convert away). If yes, then I have another unit option. If no? Then I guess I buy more archers.

 eohall wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The realm that hosts their 'core' defines different factions to a very different degree. Lumineth are based in Hysh, and that is an overwhelming presence in every aspect of the army. It is not at all equivalent to how DoK are based in Ulgu; the tie to the realm is completely different in scope and implementation. Some armies have very direct ties to certain realms that will dominate their theme no matter where they go, others like the DoK just happen to live mainly in one of them.

Could you expand on what you mean by "an overwhelming presence in every aspect of the army"? The DoK book references Ulgu very frequently, their spell lore and many of their artifacts are explicitly shadow-magic, they have shadow magic units (doomfire warlocks), and even a couple "shadow" battalions. Are you referring more to the lore about LRL being closely linked to the various spirits of their realm?

On re-reading I can see how I did not explain my point very well...

Consider Lumineth; every unit has an ability that ties directly to Hysh, some of their units as aspects of Hysh itself. An Alarith army from any realm will still include elements that are inherently Hyshian. Compare to DoK; their prayers are religious blood-ritual, their combat abilities based on properties of the individuals themselves (like flying or petrifying stare), only one of their units is inherently tied to Ulgu. If it was not stated in the lore and that unit did not exist, that they have a preference for Ulgu we would have no way of knowing beyond guesswork, whereas even a non-Warhammer player could identify Sylvaneth as coming from the realm of life by just looking at the miniatures. But then compare DoK to Cities of Sigmar; by the miniatures DoK could be reasonably narrowed down to being from Ulgu, Shyish, or Chamon; a theme in aesthetic lends itself to certain realms more than others and it has one unit specifically Ulgu in theme. Cities of Sigmar has multiple units with abilities & theme directly tying them to different realms and even a unit which picks off a list for an ability from any of them. Or put simply; many armies 'lean' towards a certain realm, but the amount of lean differs.

Does that make sense?

Agreed, however I suspect part of that is simply the design ethos taken - I'd wager we will see more shadow based units coming out as time develops. The new warcry warband is likely just the first, I've long hoped that DoK would get things like shadow-beasts (endless spells or units) and other elements that helps to reinforce their shadowy nature. I'm surprised that they didn't pinch the assassin model or get their own styled after their own designs.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Or put simply; many armies 'lean' towards a certain realm, but the amount of lean differs.

Does that make sense?

It does, and that I agree with. I had the idea that you may have been saying it was a difference of kind and not one of degree.

 Thadin wrote:
Oh for sure, a lot of armies could do with a much bigger roster. I wonder when GW will stop making new armies, and instead go back to the ones they already have. I like the new armies though, don't get me wrong.

Well there's rumour picture that has weapon with bonereaper symbols. So they are getting something

Just had a thought. Prismatic Palisade, seems pretty worth it for Lumineth to me. Your own main ranged unit can ignore it's LOS blocking, good positioning can also have it's negative hit modifier nicely stack with the Shining Company rule.

Also of course there's all the lore things, the Palisade magic originating from Hysh, ect.

Thoughts/opinions?

I like it. Low investment and can be used just to plug up any area you don't have the numbers to cover.

Yup. An excellent choice for the army.

So IDK are allies for Lumineth. Is this also true the other way around? So can I use Lumineth in my IDK army?

Not at the moment. SCE for instance can use LRL as allies but LRL can't ally with SCE. We'll have to see what GHB 2020 does.

Okay can someone tell me if IDK can take LRL allies once the book is out?

So, anyone else emailing the FAQ address asking why Dawnriders and Wardens all have swords modeled but not in their profiles?