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 Kanluwen wrote:
So, anyone else emailing the FAQ address asking why Dawnriders and Wardens all have swords modeled but not in their profiles?

Ceremonial weapons with dulled edges?

It's for flavor. It's likely to add some realism to the model. Lances and spears can be broken, after all.

But, they won't break in the rules, because that would be convoluted and require a few extra rules. And then people would complain about extra rules.

Most cavalry units would carry a sword, just like most swordsmen would carry a dagger and the dagger might actually do more killing than the sword.


AoS wouldn't work with weapons breaking and such, its too fine detail for a larger battle system. Ideal for an RPG or skirmish game where you might only have 5 or so models per side so you can track more detail per model.

 Thadin wrote:
It's for flavor. It's likely to add some realism to the model. Lances and spears can be broken, after all.

Sounds better than my idea that they were knorks to use around the campfire after the battle...

Honestly, I'm wondering if there were some rules that were left on the writing room floor. I wouldn't have been shocked if the lances were intended to be for 'on the turn they charged'.

They likely did have something such as that planned. But then opted for an easier way about it; buff the warden pike on the turn that an enemy charged.

Don't forget GW doesn't make rules then models - its generally models then rules (far as we can ever tell).

 Overread wrote:
Don't forget GW doesn't make rules then models - its generally models then rules (far as we can ever tell).

And that sometimes they just kinda wing it...

Wild Riders and their shields, for example, immediately spring to mind. It's a build option in the kit and the rules that they had to FAQ in are just...bleh.

if anyone is selling the heads bits for the new cav units hit me up

Because if a Nurgling is crawling on your face a spear doesn't help much, but use of a sword in that situation can reasonably be rolled under the dam profile.

Seriously though please don't we really don't need more 'same but different' weapon crap like Liberators!

I don't know about anything else, but i do know that this guy is my new favourite character

Yeah, I’d read a novel or two of his exploits.

The Cold War of OP magic items between the nations is a great addition.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't know about anything else, but i do know that this guy is my new favourite character

"What'cha doing Tril'hallian?"*

"Nothing!".....


*There, fixed the name.

Tril'hallian is the name of the Mage.
Zaitreci is the name of one of the Great Nations.

The battle report for the Lumineth in the recent WD is really funny because all of the Wardens have bent or drooping spears.

Somebody at the studio obviously didn't store them properly.

 Bosskelot wrote:
The battle report for the Lumineth in the recent WD is really funny because all of the Wardens have bent or drooping spears.

Somebody at the studio obviously didn't store them properly.

Or they were playing with the 3D printed resin production proofs.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't know about anything else, but i do know that this guy is my new favourite character

That is amazing.

It's really nice seeing AoS get some good lore at the individual level.

'I'm firing mah lazer' is a frequent meme of Hysh realm.

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't know about anything else, but i do know that this guy is my new favourite character

That is amazing.

It's really nice seeing AoS get some good lore at the individual level.

Those timelines often have at least one funny or extremely interesting piece of lore. The Skaven battletome, for example, has an entire clan create a portal out of known reality and vanish into it. The sort of thing where they could pop up again as a new sub-faction out of nowhere, or even in 40k for all we know.

Skryre Skaven already feel like a 40k army, so I'd welcome a new army to play in 40k

One thing I'm struggling with for list building... Who do we give our relics/command traits to? A fair few of the great nation relics are best suited to the models who want to be in the enemies face, but we don't have any beatsticks to give them to. (I'm hoping that Hero builder is good enough to fill this gap...)

So, if running great nations, what is it? Suffer with giving relics/CA's that are bad/unoptimcal to our generic characters, until more are released?

That is what sub-factions are supposed to be; putting up with sub par artifacts/command traits in exchange for a small thematic army bonus.

So naturally they are auto-take because they are an unapologetic upgrade to the army and the only decision involved is which one to pick.

I think I'd almost prefer removing limited relics/command traits from subfactions. Maybe instead having the subfaction ones be an extra set of options, instead of a limit. It'd mess up balance a great deal without other significant changes, however... And would require GW to think deeper about potential rule combos, more than the little that they do to begin with.

I feel like Lumineth is the worst off when it comes to the limits. It'd be solved with one basic beatstick hero, so there's hope for it with future army releases. The army will be fine without them until then, I just like having ways to customize my heroes in more meaningful ways.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That is what sub-factions are supposed to be; putting up with sub par artifacts/command traits in exchange for a small thematic army bonus.

So naturally they are auto-take because they are an unapologetic upgrade to the army and the only decision involved is which one to pick.

I disagree with this. I think the point of the subfactions was to help provide different playstyles, since many AoS armies are limited in model count. This provides a bit of a work around by helping certain units get bonus' and unique abilities/artifacts to help get around the artificial cap.

The problem is GW seems to a very poor job when it comes to balancing these subfactions against each other.

Yes, GW has said on their AoS Shorts, Sub factions is meant to be flavorful ways to play the armies, and give each army at least 3 distinct types of play, expand on their stories a bit too, etc..

 Sasori wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That is what sub-factions are supposed to be; putting up with sub par artifacts/command traits in exchange for a small thematic army bonus.

So naturally they are auto-take because they are an unapologetic upgrade to the army and the only decision involved is which one to pick.

I disagree with this. I think the point of the subfactions was to help provide different playstyles, since many AoS armies are limited in model count. This provides a bit of a work around by helping certain units get bonus' and unique abilities/artifacts to help get around the artificial cap.

The problem is GW seems to a very poor job when it comes to balancing these subfactions against each other.

Hm, I can definitely see how that is a reasonable explanation but I also feel sub-factions were never meant to redefine what the army was. At most they allow heavy specialization into one aspect. There are only a handful across all 'tomes that actually change the army playstyle.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't know about anything else, but i do know that this guy is my new favourite character

yea, this is by far my favorite piece of fluff, with the Wind and water excerpts right behind it. I like to imagine the relic has been made so he is conscious of everything that the laser passed through, able to visualize every detail of the trip the laser took across the realm. I can only imagine him taking this trip, jumping back in his body when it's done, and then just walking back to class with a thousand yard stare.

I think I want more of this bastard. Also, anyone else started making their own apotheosis character yet for the lumineth?