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trexmeyer wrote: Apparently it has made over $250 million in its first weekend. That's nuts.
Just under $600m worldwide, it will be a surprise if it isn't the #3 MCU film for box office by the end of it's run.
Haven't really got anything to add that hasn't been said already (I'd even agree with HMBC on the best line ), for me this is the #2 MCU film, I only enjoyed Infinity War more.
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Apparently Strange 2 was meant to come first and they had to re-write because of pandemic-related shooting delays. Now obvs I don't know what the original story would have looked like, but what they've ended up with feels like a much more natural progression from NWH -> Strange 2.
I also think they did really well to choose 2 credit scenes that somehow still managed to be hype and not just totally over-shadowed by the film being so good (Venom & Dark Strange)
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On a meta level, SM3 might be the most impressive movie ever made. They successfully combined 3 versions of Spider-Man into a single film that has nearly pleased everyone.
I remember when Tobey's first Spider-Man film came out and how much of a hit it was at the time. Imagine telling people then that it less than twenty years there would be a Raimi trilogy, another duology, and then a MCU where Spider-Man has appeared in two solo films, Civil War, Endgame, Infinity War AND THEN his third "solo" film would bring in Tobey and Andrew Garfield for a multiverse crossover? It blows my mind that it has even happened.
I think pulling off No Way Home is at on par with at least Infinity War or Endgame in terms of ambition.
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Excellent film, no Idpol, plenty of fan service, great acting from all involved, Defoe steals every scene he is in, Holland gets to actually be spider man and not spider boy in starks shadow, satisfying ending, all around a damn solid movie, 8/10 from me.
A tearful 'farewell' to Andy and Toby, with a kind of passing of the torch? A shame, as 'The Three Spideys' were such a great team and it would be great to have them back. Tom's Spidey went through a journey there - rebuffing the other, older Spider-men - how can they know how feels? (But htey do, of course) and scathing of the fact that they killed (or will kill) their respective foes, only to be bashing The Green Goblin in to the wreckage of the shield. But his other selves were there, to save him from himself.
And now he's grown up Spidey - broke and on his own. The whole world has forgotten Peter Parker - no school place, no friends, no social security number. Broke and living in a dump of an apartment block, forced to make his costume out of cheap shiny spandex.
Saw it yesterday, I found it massively overrated. Acting was great and visuals and action scenes were awesome BUT the plot was utterly idiotic and fan service was so massive that I considered it quite irritating (I hate fan service in general to be honest).
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Why didn't Peter ask Strange to let people forget about Mysterio or what Mysterio said instead of trying to make them forget that Peter is Spiderman?
At least two of the respawned villians could have been completely skipped, no one wouldn't have noticed.
Overall it's on par with the two other episodes of the same franchise. Nice movie, definitely far from being a masterpiece, much better than the previous MCU episode though, the ultra boring Eternals. First post credits scene was the best part of the movie, absolutely brilliant.
Okay, so I think the movie was great. I think the Mysterio one is still better as a whole, but thats because I still have conversations with people who think Mysterio is dead. He tricks were so good, so tricky, that the audience is still fooled.
Goblin and Doc Oct are the highlights with
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Garfield
being the best actors in the batch.
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Toby Maguire Spidey
is a sociopath who stands like a plank of wood pretending to be a person. He has a fake smile pasted on the entire time because he thinks thats what people would do.
I really enjoy how this all wraps up. Tom Holland still has not killed a single villain, he still tries to save everyone, even if he needs a little help, he got his new suit and I am excited to see the next one. Can we get some Scorpion pay off soon? Id like that.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
I went to see this film, but have not read any of the thread. Here are my thoughts, then I will go back and read the thread.
Thoughts in no particular order:
- No fair, they re-made Sony's Into the Spider-Verse all ready, but with Tom Holland!
- Nostalgia buttons smashed with Doc Ock and Green Goblin in this film.
- I have not been this geeked in a flick since Thor hit Cap's shield in Avengers - I am still blown away that Tom Holland is British.
- I really wanted to make a Dune reference, but I could not quite make the connection.
- Is Wong the actual Sorcerer Supreme of Earth?
Final thoughts:
Not convinced this is a good film by traditional standards, so much of it depends on good will from the MCU and older Spider-man flicks. The pacing was really weird, the story beats are wonky, and it feels a bit like a bridge or filler episode.
Edit: I got the Moebius: The Living Vampire trailer before the Spidey film, and in it Michael Keaton makes an appearance. Anyone know if he is playing the Vulture again?
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Easy E wrote: - Is Wong the actual Sorcerer Supreme of Earth?
Seems to be.
Some people have a really big problem with this for some reason. To me it makes sense - Strange was, for all intents and purposes, dead for 5 years. Wong went into the position. Strange's return wouldn't necessarily mean that Wong steps back from the position and Strange gets it again.
Final thoughts:
Not convinced this is a good film by traditional standards, so much of it depends on good will from the MCU and older Spider-man flicks. The pacing was really weird, the story beats are wonky, and it feels a bit like a bridge or filler episode.
That's close to my feelings. I came out of the cinema having enjoyed the movie but with a pretty big "BUT..." left hanging in the air that I hadn't wanted to tackle.
In the time since I watched it, that "but" has become unavoidable. Holland's Spiderman has not developed much since his first outing but has had successful movies that overcome this shortfall in part due to strong plots and excellent bad guys.
No Way Home has neither a good plot nor bad guys. The bad guys are almost directionless and seem to serve no greater purpose than being bad for the sake of being bad.
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Defoe looks like he's having fun at least. Electro and Doc Ock help to move along what plot there is and can at least be said to be competent. The Lizard and Sandman could be cut from the movie with no loss.
The plot is worse than nonsense - it's virtually none existent. It is easily the worst plot of any film in the MCU so far. What little there is exists only as a way of mashing together pretty sequences and moments of banter.
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The opening 20 minutes are excellent and set the pace and tension of the movie. Or at least they should do. Because after that we get a scene introducing Matt Murdoch (ooh, this is starting to get exciting!) that basically tells you that we can ignore the tension of the first 20 minutes as everything has been dealt with offscreen. Oh and Matt Murdoch has no further interaction with the film so you can forget he bothered showing up.
WTF?
After that rug pull it's pretty difficult to care about what's going on. There's a couple of good action sequences - Doc Ock on the bridge was pretty good with a refreshing conclusion and the Dr Strange fight was at worst visually appealing. But the story is a big load of who gives a crap. If the story writer can't be bothered to be interested in writing compelling bad guys or interesting hero motivations then I'm not going to do the heavy lifting for them. The film only recovers once the extra Parkers are introduced.
And this is the first of the current Spiderman outings where Tom is looking old. He's 25 playing a 17 year old and, until he puts the suit on, it shows. That is starting to not work for me.
Overall the film is good and fun. There's some great action sequences and genuinely laugh out load moments. But it is empty and shallow fun. It's the most MCU of all the MCU films.
I agree with the above. It was fun, in the way that an amusement park ride is fun. It's a lot like IW and Endgame in that regard. It's not really a good film in the traditional sense. Which is why the talk about Disney creating an Oscar campaign for it has to be more of a PR stunt than a serious endeavor.
It was fun seeing the three of them together, and the actors had good chemistry while also showing their particular flavor of Spidey well (FWIW, I'm still convinced that Garfield is the most comics-accurate Spidey). On the flip side, the villains didn't work AT ALL, individually and especially as a group. It's probably a crazy challenge to try to make them work given the run time, them literally being from different universes, having some history with certain Peters and not with others, and on and on. And I understand that, but it goes to the point that this is a marketing concept first instead of a good story first. Into the Spider-Verse had that the other way around by comparison.
I'm encouraged that the end suggests a more traditional, focused Spidey going forward on multiple levels (I have to credit Marvel for acknowledging and winking at the faults of the Holland films in the "Iron Man Jr." headline that flashes up at one point). Garfield still has the best personality in the suit, but Holland would be just fine in movies about Spidey dealing with Spidey problems and Spidey villains with no involvement of Iron Man or other Avengers, universes colliding, etc. The MCU is an amazing creation, but it can be its own worst enemy when MCU films become about the MCU and advancing the overall MCU story instead of doing that particular hero right.
And WTF is up with teasing Tom Hardy's Venom meeting up with Spidey...but apparently saying 'nope, we're not doing that'? Are they just hedging their bets?
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On behalf of Generation X, thank you for say 25 looks old :-)
But I get what you mean. Although Hollywood has a tradition of twentysomethings playing teenagers. It would have simple to explain if Spidey hadn't 'blipped' but that would have made his relationship with MJ and Ned weird.
And this is the first of the current Spiderman outings where Tom is looking old. He's 25 playing a 17 year old and, until he puts the suit on, it shows. That is starting to not work for me.
Seriously? Tom Holland might be 25 now (so technically 24 during the shooting) but he looks like a child. Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield looked (and actually were) much older when they were protagonists of thier movies.
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MarkNorfolk wrote: On behalf of Generation X, thank you for say 25 looks old :-)
But I get what you mean. Although Hollywood has a tradition of twentysomethings playing teenagers. It would have simple to explain if Spidey hadn't 'blipped' but that would have made his relationship with MJ and Ned weird.
This and it's not just Hollywood. Daenerys Targaryen from Game of Thrones was supposed to be a child (13yo I think) and yet they hired a woman in her mid 20s who were in her 30s during last season. Ciri from The Witcher is supposed to be a child as well (12yo in the novels IIRC) and yet they hired a teenager, who is a stunning 20 years old woman now and will likely be near 30 when the series end.
Tom Holland is fine at 25 .
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We all know how Hollywood works and the ages of Maguire and Garfield when they took their roles. I love Far From Home as it's a teen tour comedy with bits of action stitched on, and the core cast of "teenagers" fit the bill.
I can't explain why but the "gee whizz" teenager of Holland's Spiderman wasn't as convincing for me in this film.
We all know how Hollywood works and the ages of Maguire and Garfield when they took their roles. I love Far From Home as it's a teen tour comedy with bits of action stitched on, and the core cast of "teenagers" fit the bill.
I can't explain why but the "gee whizz" teenager of Holland's Spiderman wasn't as convincing for me in this film.
To me, the "oh gosh...gee whiz...sorry sir" thing is just played out. At this point, Holland's Parker has been through a LOT and it was past time for him to stop acting like a 14 year old. Again, I'm cautiously encouraged that they're moving past that facile characterization from the team films into a more well-rounded one.
This and it's not just Hollywood. Daenerys Targaryen from Game of Thrones was supposed to be a child (13yo I think) and yet they hired a woman in her mid 20s who were in her 30s during last season. Ciri from The Witcher is supposed to be a child as well (12yo in the novels IIRC) and yet they hired a teenager, who is a stunning 20 years old woman now and will likely be near 30 when the series end.
There are reasons that apply to those two characters (and NOT to Tom Holland) that easily explain why those two were aged up for the filmed shows. No one who shouldn't be in prison should want to watch what happens to them happen to young teens/preteens.
Its more than fetishy enough as is.
Tom Holland is fine at 25 .
Going by Sony's history with Spiderman films, he's likely to be kicked to the curb and the whole thing rebooted at this point.
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This and it's not just Hollywood. Daenerys Targaryen from Game of Thrones was supposed to be a child (13yo I think) and yet they hired a woman in her mid 20s who were in her 30s during last season. Ciri from The Witcher is supposed to be a child as well (12yo in the novels IIRC) and yet they hired a teenager, who is a stunning 20 years old woman now and will likely be near 30 when the series end.
There are reasons that apply to those two characters (and NOT to Tom Holland) that easily explain why those two were aged up for the filmed shows. No one who shouldn't be in prison should want to watch what happens to them happen to young teens/preteens.
Its more than fetishy enough as is.
Tom Holland is fine at 25 .
Going by Sony's history with Spiderman films, he's likely to be kicked to the curb and the whole thing rebooted at this point.
Well, if it's ok to read it it should be ok to watch it. Some violent stuff can also be just hinted and not clearly shown.
IMHO the main reason of hiring older actors in the role of kids is to avoid having the person look much different after a couple of seasons. Kids grow really fast, young adults not as much. Which is the same with Spider Man as an actor who was hired for the part could be expected to last even 10 years. That's why I praise Tom Holland's casting, he's so baby face looking that it can definitely look a believable teen at 25 and after 5 years from his debut in Civil War.
So, I thought they did a good job with it, but I'm really confused about the direction they're going. Homecoming and Far From Home were all about Peter becoming the next Iron Man, but now that's completely out the window. I get that now Spider-Man is down to his more traditional character of doing his best even though he doesn't have much going for him, but if feels like a complete 180 for the direction of the character. Maybe they have a long term plan to get back to him taking over for Iron Man after he matures and gets more experience.
I don't think the plan was ever for Spider Man to be the next Iron Man.
I think the first 2 films were about Spiderman figuring out what Spiderman and ultimately himself actually is. He's a kid in highschool in way over his head. It's Tony Stark that thinks of people as the next himself. Any perspective about Spidey becoming anything like Iron Man comes from Tony.
And then Tony goes to make him and Avenger with a press conference and Spidey turns him down. I think it's important to remember Spidey's own actions next to Tony's simultaneous meddling and neglect.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
bbb wrote: So, I thought they did a good job with it, but I'm really confused about the direction they're going. Homecoming and Far From Home were all about Peter becoming the next Iron Man, but now that's completely out the window. I get that now Spider-Man is down to his more traditional character of doing his best even though he doesn't have much going for him, but if feels like a complete 180 for the direction of the character. Maybe they have a long term plan to get back to him taking over for Iron Man after he matures and gets more experience.
I think it’s more about Spidey finding his own place.
Yes Tony was a pretty generous mentor, and at first Spidey wanted to get fully involved. But his first two outings do kind of show he’s not quite ready yet. Lack of experience being his main issue. I mean, he starts off being the proverbial Friendly Neighbourhood. Street level thugs are no threat to him, and he’s almost an emergency service unto himself.
But once the stakes are raised? He’s rapidly out of his depth, and it shows. It’s not that he’s incompetent as such, just that he’s well, a high schooler. Insecure, inexperienced, overly enthusiastic. Pretty standard teenage stuff.
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), for me this is the #2 MCU film, I only enjoyed Infinity War more.
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