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Wayniac wrote:
Literally primaris stormcast.

They look cool af though. I'm stoked. I had sold my AOS stuff some time ago as there wasn't interest. Went to my LGS today which is starting to get it going, and they are doing a slow grow June 8th. With Kragnos and the rumored 3.0 destruction maybe hobgoblins (swamp goblins?) I decided to go all in on destruction and start Ironjawz for now.


No where even close to Primaris Stormcast. Primaris were jsut better space marines. Stormcasts just had different equipment for different jobs, akin to Phobos Pattern Armor vs Tacticus Power Armor
   
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I also wonder if GW is going to be really grim dark with them too. Talking about how they basically erupt with a storm when killed they might be a unit players are encouraged to, sacrifice. Charging them to a situation they can't win, so that they die and blow up their target instead!

   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
Wayniac wrote:
Literally primaris stormcast.

They look cool af though. I'm stoked. I had sold my AOS stuff some time ago as there wasn't interest. Went to my LGS today which is starting to get it going, and they are doing a slow grow June 8th. With Kragnos and the rumored 3.0 destruction maybe hobgoblins (swamp goblins?) I decided to go all in on destruction and start Ironjawz for now.


No where even close to Primaris Stormcast. Primaris were jsut better space marines. Stormcasts just had different equipment for different jobs, akin to Phobos Pattern Armor vs Tacticus Power Armor


ehhh, i think we have to compare the official scrolls when that time comes, it is hard to NOT see this as a 40k primaris move whitout seeing the rules.

Personly, im just glad i am a Gitz collector =)


On the topic of the new edition, i was realy hoping that double turns would be removed, no amount of "buffs or benefits" can change the big posetive impact getting two turns in a row has for the player the gets it.

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If the double turn came with a penalty of -3 to hit, wound, save, run, charge, casting, and unbinding rolls I think that would more than compensate, so the theory is there.

I'd actually give a solid 30% odds they overcorrect and make taking a double worse than not.

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Ok, but...how are these primaris when sacrosanct exist and make every single non-sequitor profile (that isn't vanguard raptor) redundant? We literally had stormcast+ in 2018.
   
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Cronch wrote:
Ok, but...how are these primaris when sacrosanct exist and make every single non-sequitor profile (that isn't vanguard raptor) redundant? We literally had stormcast+ in 2018.
Yet funnily enough liberators are better right now

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Are they? Last I checked they just dumped their points, but did nothing to make them worth taking beyond filling out the core tax.
   
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Cronch wrote:
Are they? Last I checked they just dumped their points, but did nothing to make them worth taking beyond filling out the core tax.


Stormkeep armies from Broken Realms: Morathi kicked up Liberators a notch, supposedly.

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I am super stoked about the new Stormcast, but it does feel like GW will have to split the Stormcast tomes into multiple tomes just to keep some of the older units relevant. It is beginning to feel a lot like units are stepping over each other's toes.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
I am super stoked about the new Stormcast, but it does feel like GW will have to split the Stormcast tomes into multiple tomes just to keep some of the older units relevant. It is beginning to feel a lot like units are stepping over each other's toes.


At the same time I really hope they don't do that. I think it would send the wrong message through the system and through the game. Also its one thing to have a bloated single army, its another to have multiple armies based off the same design concepts. A bloated army can be broken down into internal sub-groups much like Skaven are. You can run them all in one, or run clan focused forces. They don't need their own book to achieve that and work better as a single book because then the single army approach is internally balanced.

I see that being how Stormcast will end up, a single force but with several key subgroups within their tome, but no separate tomes.

I think that's healthier for the game than going the Space Marine pathway. Even if its a very lucrative earning pattern, it has some huge downsides. My impression is that the design and marketing team want AoS to be FAR more varied and evenly spread as a selling game. They don't want all their customers in one faction, they want them spread out so that their investments into each individual army generate a healthy return on investment; rather than having one doing a lions share. It also makes for a happier market because different customers get what they want. With 40K there's a continual griping about "marines getting everything" which can sour the mood and can even sour marine players because they end up in clubs with fewer and fewer "aliens" to fight.

   
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 Eldarsif wrote:
I am super stoked about the new Stormcast, but it does feel like GW will have to split the Stormcast tomes into multiple tomes just to keep some of the older units relevant. It is beginning to feel a lot like units are stepping over each other's toes.


Nah I think they can keep is all 1 book and if they were smart have "vaults" you pick you are out of being better at different things and playstyles which old in some and new on others, or for battalions you have to take a bit of both. Also the new ones might not have Battleline, if that is the case it really doesn't matter how good they are, you still need battlelines.

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 FrozenDwarf wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
Wayniac wrote:
Literally primaris stormcast.

They look cool af though. I'm stoked. I had sold my AOS stuff some time ago as there wasn't interest. Went to my LGS today which is starting to get it going, and they are doing a slow grow June 8th. With Kragnos and the rumored 3.0 destruction maybe hobgoblins (swamp goblins?) I decided to go all in on destruction and start Ironjawz for now.


No where even close to Primaris Stormcast. Primaris were jsut better space marines. Stormcasts just had different equipment for different jobs, akin to Phobos Pattern Armor vs Tacticus Power Armor


ehhh, i think we have to compare the official scrolls when that time comes, it is hard to NOT see this as a 40k primaris move whitout seeing the rules.

Personly, im just glad i am a Gitz collector =)


On the topic of the new edition, i was realy hoping that double turns would be removed, no amount of "buffs or benefits" can change the big posetive impact getting two turns in a row has for the player the gets it.


That means these would be what...the 3rd set of primaris stormcasts right? 'Different armor=Primaris' happened with Vanguard and Sacrosanct too.


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 Overread wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
I am super stoked about the new Stormcast, but it does feel like GW will have to split the Stormcast tomes into multiple tomes just to keep some of the older units relevant. It is beginning to feel a lot like units are stepping over each other's toes.


At the same time I really hope they don't do that. I think it would send the wrong message through the system and through the game. Also its one thing to have a bloated single army, its another to have multiple armies based off the same design concepts. A bloated army can be broken down into internal sub-groups much like Skaven are. You can run them all in one, or run clan focused forces. They don't need their own book to achieve that and work better as a single book because then the single army approach is internally balanced.

I see that being how Stormcast will end up, a single force but with several key subgroups within their tome, but no separate tomes.

I think that's healthier for the game than going the Space Marine pathway. Even if its a very lucrative earning pattern, it has some huge downsides. My impression is that the design and marketing team want AoS to be FAR more varied and evenly spread as a selling game. They don't want all their customers in one faction, they want them spread out so that their investments into each individual army generate a healthy return on investment; rather than having one doing a lions share. It also makes for a happier market because different customers get what they want. With 40K there's a continual griping about "marines getting everything" which can sour the mood and can even sour marine players because they end up in clubs with fewer and fewer "aliens" to fight.


The problem with Stormcasts right now is that they can't continue to function without wholesale rewrites GW seems reluctant to do. The last 2 battletomes were absolutely abysmal in terms of internal balance and led to bland, flavorless cookie cutter builds. Yunno...once the incredibly obvious exploitable wordings and multiple just straight up typos got fixed because those books also had the worst QC of any book up until the DoK/Slaanesh second editions.

The warscrolls at least from Vanguard and earlier needed to be totally redone to both fit modern AoS (Tempestors having an anti-shooting bubble roughly the size of a marble for example is horrendously pathetic rules writing) and keep stormcast from continuing to feel like 4 different armies superglued together.

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Stormcast work fine conceptually, a few small tweaks to profiles and better point cost balance would set them up to be both well rounded (within the context of elite) and extremely diverse with numerous niche builds possible.

Ah, what could be if GW really cared about balance.

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I wonder if we could see stormcast gain an extra wound? Be more of an elite force.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Stormcast work fine conceptually, a few small tweaks to profiles and better point cost balance would set them up to be both well rounded (within the context of elite) and extremely diverse with numerous niche builds possible.

Ah, what could be if GW really cared about balance.


The eye opener for me over the past five or so years is that the PLAYER BASE in general doesn't really care about balance either.

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4 Things You Need to Know About the Next Edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar on Warhammer Community:

The New and Improved Path to Glory

Warhammer Age of Sigmar has always been a very narrative-driven game, and while the existing rules allow you to follow a champion as they amass glory points and fight for domination, the new edition will expand the campaign system even further.

We’ll have much more information about this narrative game mode coming in the future, but for now, those players who have experienced a Crusade in Warhammer 40,000 might be able to imagine some of the developments your campaign forces will go through on their path to glory.

The Age of Sigmar website has a timer counting down to Saturday the 29th of May. Perhaps the pre-order date for 3rd edition.

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I suspect that's more likely a full reveal of the box. 3 weeks from reveal to pre-order sounds way too fast.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I suspect that's more likely a full reveal of the box. 3 weeks from reveal to pre-order sounds way too fast.

We literally just had the vampire dragons revealed last Monday and they go up next week.
Whatever happens, happens right now.


Additionally, it might not be the starter sets. We could be in for another Indomitus styled event.
   
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but your existing battletomes will work just as well as they always have.


Well thats not a lie....but....

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 Mr Morden wrote:
but your existing battletomes will work just as well as they always have.


Well thats not a lie....but....


Yeah. you may have to ... buy a new army because your existing battletome is now super weak

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I believe each edition of AoS has been released the Week of July 1st so I imagine thats when it will drop. So most likely we'll see it Saturday July 3rd.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I suspect that's more likely a full reveal of the box. 3 weeks from reveal to pre-order sounds way too fast.

We literally just had the vampire dragons revealed last Monday and they go up next week.
Whatever happens, happens right now.


Additionally, it might not be the starter sets. We could be in for another Indomitus styled event.


It's only three weeks away and we haven't even had Kragnos yet. No way they're dropping them on top of each other. And besides, Adam said look for news in the coming weeks and months. It'll be July/August. I'd take bets on it.
   
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Right behind you.

Yeah, and AdMech were "too close to talk about" during Warhammerfest...yet Kragnos, the dragon-lady, and now the SoB High Lord have all been talked about in more detail than the supposedly lone Mechanicus model.
   
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Wayniac wrote:
Literally primaris stormcast.

They look cool af though. I'm stoked. I had sold my AOS stuff some time ago as there wasn't interest. Went to my LGS today which is starting to get it going, and they are doing a slow grow June 8th. With Kragnos and the rumored 3.0 destruction maybe hobgoblins (swamp goblins?) I decided to go all in on destruction and start Ironjawz for now.


Hey, not to fully de-rail the thread, but would you mind PMing me what store is starting the slow grow? Going to be moving to Tampa in a couple months and would love to know where to sniff out AoS play as soon as I get settled.

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 Ghaz wrote:
4 Things You Need to Know About the Next Edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar on Warhammer Community:

The New and Improved Path to Glory

Warhammer Age of Sigmar has always been a very narrative-driven game, and while the existing rules allow you to follow a champion as they amass glory points and fight for domination, the new edition will expand the campaign system even further.

We’ll have much more information about this narrative game mode coming in the future, but for now, those players who have experienced a Crusade in Warhammer 40,000 might be able to imagine some of the developments your campaign forces will go through on their path to glory.

The Age of Sigmar website has a timer counting down to Saturday the 29th of May. Perhaps the pre-order date for 3rd edition.

Doubtful. more likely the big reveal of the opposing faction and a general look at the box contents.
There is a backlog of stuff.

At the very least they're going to push through vampires, more vampires and Ad Mech and then Kragnos, and after that probably sisters (which at this point is a multi-week release) and probably book of fire. And also various boxed games releases. And then we can start flipping for AoS3 or Ork special box. (I lean toward the latter since the 'real' ork release is later, so alternating makes sense).

Plus it makes no sense to be this cagey and (trying to) build hype about the 'mystery faction' if they're just going to drop the thing off like a bad pizza at the end of the month.
They want some momentum to the edition launch. July/August as is fairly typical.

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Every time I make a prediction on -when- things are going to be released, I get proven wrong.

So, y'know what? I don't think any of us have a clue. Yes we are due Admech and another wave of vampire models and Kragnos, but for all we know Admech could be pushed to August and they could reveal the foes in the new starter box for AoS this weekend!
   
 
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