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Has nothing to do with that, it's simply that they've done an exceptionally poor job with the Vanguard.

Some HIGHLY SPECULATIVE Ideas what I think, what we could see:

Cities of Sigmar:
-New Freeguild Models to replace older KIts (ex. Great Swords)

Idoneth Deepkin
-New Character
-New Unit

Lumineth Realm-Lords
-New Character
-Chariot (mentioned in the Battletome)

Seraphon
-New Lizardmen Warrior
-New Lizardmen Rider

Sylvaneth
-New Branchwraith Character
-New Driads

Hedonists of Slaanesh
-New Infantry Unit

Skaven
-New Plague Priest
-New Rat Ogres
-New Plaguemonks
-Warpseer (mentioned in the Rulebook in 2018)

Slaves to Darkness
-New Chaoslord
-New Chaos Warrior (like in the SC-Box)
-New Chaos Knights (like in the SC-Box)

Legions of Nagash
-New Zombies

Orruk Warclans
-New Ironjawz Character
-New Ironjawz Ardboysz

Yeeeeeeah...I don't expect us seeing anything for Lumineth until the Tyrionic side of things is ready with at least one more Aelementari Temple. The chariot is a one-line reference, which accompanies a description of the Tyrionic side of things mentioning scouts, chariots, and artillery specialists.

Idoneth are most likely, if anything, to get an Embailor(finally!) and some kind of 'warbeast' unit.

Cities, if anything happens? I think it will be closer to when The Old World drops or when fluff establishes some new cities. Greatswords definitely aren't one of the kits that need to be redone though.

RazorEdge wrote:
Some HIGHLY SPECULATIVE Ideas what I think, what we could see:

Cities of Sigmar:
-New Freeguild Models to replace older KIts (ex. Great Swords)

Why? Just.. why? It can be argued that they badly fit the AoS setting (far too historical, and they even look somewhat out of place with many other Empire sets that did away with the puff and slash sleeves etcetera), but as models go they are neither particularly old nor have they aged badly. Excellent detail on them; perhaps not the most dynamic, but having them all flail about like Night Goblin Fanatics won't be a good look for them anyway.

-New Driads

Dryads seem fine too. Completely new unit would be far more interesting.

Skaven
-New Plague Priest
-New Rat Ogres
-New Plaguemonks
-Warpseer (mentioned in the Rulebook in 2018)

Plague Monks feel borderline okay to me, and slightly less of a priority than the Night Runners which are completely in the old style (as are the Monks I suppose, but it hardly shows due to the robes). It's a lovely set with all their Mordheim weapon options, but it just doesn't look good anymore. Also Globadiers, also Jezzails, also several Weapon Teams - I think some of them are still in metal! And others Finecast, arguably worse even if pretending to be more modern... I guess that's the price of not having your range decimated in the transition to AoS; there's still a lot of old stuff floating about compared to some others. It feels too much for the "campaign" (although the AdMech got several new kits in PA, so all bets are off), but the Skaven do feel among those most in need of several new sets. GW could do worse than to make a Plague Monk/Censer Bearer dual kit, a Night/Gutter Runner kit, a Weapon Team/Jezzail kit, and maybe something for Globadiers/Engineers. Plug Rat Ogres of course, I thought those looked a bit poor when released, and they certainly haven't improved over the years! Then again, it also feels like luxury, when they at least have many other sets already, and the poor Flesh-eater Courts basically have nothing to begin with...

Dryads could use a rework, if only because they're a bit fiddly.

It would be a good candidate for a dual kit though.

Armies being small is not a problem; even big armies may end up being smaller than the low-cost ones in effect because only a tiny fraction of the options are viable. Even something as small as FeC or Fyreslayers could be plenty if every option were useful.

I think AoS works well with small armies balance wise for sure. Heck Flesheaters and Daughers of Khaine have both been overpowered in the game at various points.


The issue as I see it is one of choice, diversity and collecting. As a player and collector I'm less likely to build a dozen armies and many people are often loyal to "their army". So having very few actual models to choose from can mean that they burn out rather fast. Meanwhile armies with a lot more diversity can sustain people for longer because there's more options to choose from


As a game I think it also means that AoS has fewer niches and options compared to a larger wargame. If you look at 40K you've got jumpjet fliers; aircraft; anti air; anti vehicles; vehicles; infantry; elites; leaders etc... Each block has its own ups and downs and it adds layers to the game.


AoS is quite bland in comparison. It doesn't even separate cavalry and infantry. Meanwhile some niches like Artillery are not fully supported in all armies. So there are whole niches totally untouched by some groups.



I think that steadily getting more options and variety would be a good thing. Daughters of Khaine running lots of Witch Aelves looks fantastic, but it will be nice when there's more choices on offer - shadow beasts; shadow assassins (getting those soon it seems with warcry); matches; snake leaders (getting one of them!); endless spells; more cavalry (witches on horses!) etc...

RazorEdge wrote:


Seraphon
-New Lizardmen Warrior
-New Lizardmen Rider

Doubt.

I think we can pretty much sum up the Seraphon Rumour Engine images as being teasers from the Underworlds warband coming with Season 4 which GW have already confirmed and even shown us a chameleon skink for.

Really, the Lizardmen are, at this point, asking for a DE scale range overhaul and update. Saurus, Skinks, Slann, Kroak and Salamanders all date back to 6th edition Fantasy. You can legally take your Saurus out drinking now btw - the kit is that old.

That and a significant chunk of the Range - most of the characters, the Hunting Packs, chameleon skinks and Kroxigor are Finecast.

I could happily see updated kits at some point - but the rumour engine images are not these. They're the Underworld's Warband. And who knows, maybe it'll have some nice Chameleon Skinks and a nice Priest model we can make use of. Possibly even a kroxigor?

I really hope for at least one (and hopefully two) Saurus warriors, or a warrior and a temple guard. I really want to see the design direction they will go in for a revamped range, and a underworlds sample platter would he perfect for that!

We know the Underworlds warband has a Chameleon Skink. There's a picture of it in the "Shadow, Iron, and Broken Realms" community posting and the thread I ran for it.

They can't update the plastic saurus without updating the heroes, cause they'd look even worse if they did.

Cronch wrote:
They can't update the plastic saurus without updating the heroes, cause they'd look even worse if they did.

Well, the current 'heroes' are literally special character remnants. If they do update them I'd expect something along the lines of the Carnosaur rider or Blood Bowl Saurus. Bigger, bulkier, thicker tails, larger headcrests with more scales overall. At the moment the current Saurus are very thin and wiry for what they are supposed to be.

Yes, but that means they can't just release the saurus warriors and knights, they'd need to refresh the Guards (fairly new kits as far as lizards go) and then the eternity guardian, sunblood, astrolith bearer...and I don't think they'd settle for 1 kit for all 3? They don't really do multi-hero kits anymore.

Skaven are much the same in needing a revamp toa lot of models, ideally at once.

That said GW could steadily update things here and there; it really depends. Big releases get a lot of attention and Seraphon getting a massive update would be a huge seller for them (even with an old battletome and older models they still sell really well - I recall their Christmas battleforce being one of the first for AOS to sell out a few years back).


But as we've seen with Eldar and many other races, GW is equally happy to drip feed updates as they are to do big releases. My view is I don't mind if its all in one or a dripfeed so long as its a constant steady progress forward toward updating

I wish they’d never come up with saurus knights or whatever they are. The old skink cold-one riders were a much better concept than yet-another-heavy-cavalry-unit. It’s just a pity that oldhammer was not in a position to allow them to shine as skirmishing cavalry was just not mechanically useful on planet bowling green, aka where WFB battles were all fought.

Cronch wrote:
Yes, but that means they can't just release the saurus warriors and knights, they'd need to refresh the Guards (fairly new kits as far as lizards go) and then the eternity guardian, sunblood, astrolith bearer...and I don't think they'd settle for 1 kit for all 3? They don't really do multi-hero kits anymore.

Slaves to Darkness got updated Warriors and Knights in the form of the Start Collecting set without Chosen or Exalted Heroes being touched, so I don't think GW particularly care about the difference in style and quality. And there's already an updated Saurus in the form of the Carnosaur Oldblood, which is, what, seven years old now? They're not in a hurry to keep things uniform.

Cronch wrote:
Yes, but that means they can't just release the saurus warriors and knights, they'd need to refresh the Guards (fairly new kits as far as lizards go) and then the eternity guardian, sunblood, astrolith bearer...and I don't think they'd settle for 1 kit for all 3? They don't really do multi-hero kits anymore.

First - The Eternity Guardian is a big, chonky boy already. He's fine. Same with the Sunblood. He's especially chonky so would fit the bigger Saurus aesthetic as well. The Astrolith bearer is a fugly model in itself. I'd not mind seeing it redone - they have been known to quickly re-do fugly models. Notice that Terradons literally swapped to the new kit after a single edition of Fantasy because the ugly Kangaroodons didn't go down well.

The Saurus kit is almost old enough to legally take out drinking in the UK. The Skinks, Salamanders and Slann all fall into this sad category.

The Temple Guard are already bigger than normal Saurus and thicker as well. They'd not need such a rework. The Saurus Knights are bigger and meant to be a different breed so work there too.

Really, Lizards need less stuff in finecast or direct only. At the moment the range is pitiful - you can only get the Start Collecting boxes, Guard and Skinks from a GW store. The rest is all direct only. And currently the Hunting Packs, Chameleon Skinks, Kroxigor and Slann are all finecast.

A plastic Slann/Kroak kit would be good.
A reworked Skink kit with options for Chameleon Skinks.
Plastic Hunting pack that builds Sallies or Razordons.
And to be fair, you could easily just do a new Saurus kit on its own.

As far as characters go? Bar the Astrolith bearer they're fine.

Sons of Behemat finally

plus Heroes for the Kharadron Overlords and Disciples of Tzeentch, previously only available in the Aether War box.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/04/sunday-preview-huge-news-for-the-mortal-realms/

Aleguzzlers reboxed in sets of 2 as Mancrushers

This used to be a thing but expect a big price jump

https://elementgames.co.uk/behemoth/aleguzzler-gargants-colossal-crushers

Sons of Behemat plus the Endrinrigger in Balloon Suit and Tzeentch Magister preordering on the 10th, releasing on the 17th.

You know, i wasn't actually interested in getting one originally. But with all the faffing around in waiting for the release, it's actually made me tempted to pick one up.

@Darkstarsaber
The guardian and sunblood (sunblood less so) and the guard plastic kit all look like slightly beefier "frog" saurus based on the 6th edition plastic looks, just larger. They look nothing like the carnosaur hero (or the blood bowl lizards) in terms of design so they would still clash.

As for the SoBs, any idea on pricing on the big boyes?

Cronch wrote:
@Darkstarsaber
The guardian and sunblood (sunblood less so) and the guard plastic kit all look like slightly beefier "frog" saurus based on the 6th edition plastic looks, just larger. They look nothing like the carnosaur hero (or the blood bowl lizards) in terms of design so they would still clash.

As for the SoBs, any idea on pricing on the big boyes?

No word yet but I’d be surprised if anything would be below $80.

We'll get prices by Wednesday.

the best part of the SoBs releasing (for me) is finally getting to see what's supposed to come after model wise.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
the best part of the SoBs releasing (for me) is finally getting to see what's supposed to come after model wise.

Same. I hope it appeals to people, but ironically I find it too small an 'army,' and don't care much for mercs/allies.

But after October everything opens back up to glimmers of New Stuff.
I really want to be absolutely wowed by something.

I really like the concept of Sons of Behemat 'mercenaries' myself. It seems like they're specific individuals that do as they please.

November's stuff is known, it's the start of Broken Realms.

The books are known, sure- but I'm of the opinion that its will include (or lead to next year as the series conclusion) mortals of Slaanesh getting released.

So I'm hoping we get glimpses of that, and any other releases put out along the way.

We're probably not seeing mortals of Slaanesh coming this year, given that Hedonites was one of the most recent books.

Broken Realms is, at best guess, the 'psychic awakening' for AoS 2.5. We might see one or two more books/big releases, but we're more likely to see some smaller stuff.

SoB kit price guesses?
I'm going to guess £100+ maybe even £125?

I agree with that assessment, sure.

On a different note though, looking at the shields around the warstompers waist there is a certain shield the looks very "elfy" but doesn't seem to match any shields currently in any range- which is a bit strange considering all the other shields visible are exact matches, even the now OOP (I think?) Knights excelsior shield from the upgrade sprue. :(