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As of right now I'm not going to take my 13 year-old, but am planning on taking my 11 year-old. The older one really doesn't like overly intense stuff same with my wife.
   
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Well. The Moon Knight finale was certainly a thing that I watched.

Not really sure what the point of it all was, but, hey, as I've said, I could listen to Oscar Issac read the phone book.

 Easy E wrote:
Spoiler:

I have no idea how people can not see that Hayworth was a villain straight from his introduction
There's a pretty big leap from "I'm a bureaucrat reactionary who doesn't listen to my support staff!" to "IMMA SHOOT YA KIDS!!!", though.

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Enjoyed the finale on the whole, but its pretty standard super hero stuff. Hero takes on a dark reflection of their own powers and wins while maintaining their sense of right and wrong. Ultimately I enjoyed the series, but I can't say it changed my opinion on the character all that much. I do hope they do more, as the strength of the Marc/Steven dynamic really works. The number of times I found myself forgetting Oscar Isaac is playing both certainly makes it more compelling than the times I've tried to read it off the page.

That post credit bit though? Chef's kiss. Like not surprising if you've paid attention at all, but it was just perfectly paced and super fun to watch unfold.
   
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I wouldn't agree ont he standard superhero stuff - because thankfully (I feel this series was aimed at people like me that tire of marvel fisticuffs) they skipped half the climatic battle in the same black out style that was great in the first few episodes. I think it actually mirrors my own black out reaction now to seeing a marvel super hero punch up...
   
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There's definitely some clever subversions, I'm just saying the overall story is pretty similar to Iron Man, Ant Man, Dr Strange, etc. The events of the story aren't terribly meaningful and the villain is a very throwaway dark reflection of the hero. It's entertaining on the strength of the interactions with the supporting cast, even when that cast is played by the same guy.
   
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Multiverse of Madness was superb.

Whilst some of the effects weren’t up to snuff, this is Raimi having a poo load of fun, and taking us along for the ride.

Can’t wait to see it in imax at the weekend!

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Not getting out to it till Sunday myself. Quite looking forward to it.

 
   
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I got a Sunday AM ticket in my wallet. Can't wait.


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Got tickets for the early evening tomorrow with my 11 year old.
   
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I look forward to seeing other folk have a good old froth!

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Ok, saw Doctor Strange. I'm not putting the review I just wrote together again so, I'll just link it if you're interested.

Suffice to say:
Spoiler:

1. Chavez under-cooked as a character.
2. I picked the ending fight right from the start, and picked how it would end from about half-way through.
3. Holy fething gak... incursions. I love that concept from the comics, but I never thought they'd actually do it.
4. 90's X-Men theme as Professor X enters the Illuminati chamber. Holy God that was awesome.

Great arc for Stephen. Wonderful stuff for Wanda (and she is the bad guy in this from the word go - that shocked me!). Lots of great action, some big character reveals, shocking (and bloody) deaths, and some real bonkers Doctor Strange stuff (a literal music fight, and undead-zombie-Strange-possessed-from-another-dimension-wielding-a-cloak-made-from-the-souls-of-the-damned bonkers!). Cool resolutions. A nice cliffhanger (Hi Clea!) and just a great time to be had overall. Not perfect, but so much fun!
Had an absolute blast. Looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow.

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sadly your link isn't working (Oops! We ran into some problems. The requested thread could not be found.)

 
   
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Didn't love it. I question the Phase 4 direction. The multiverse kind of cheapens some stuff.

I liked some of the visuals and direction.

So... mixed feelings and I think it will be divisive.
   
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 bbb wrote:
Didn't love it. I question the Phase 4 direction. The multiverse kind of cheapens some stuff.

I liked some of the visuals and direction.

So... mixed feelings and I think it will be divisive.


The RT score is already low by Marvel Standards. Currently lower than Captain Marvel and Black Widow. Eternals is of course lower.

Edit: I think Moon Knight is the best thing to come out of Phase 4 so far. The Hippo goddess was incredible CGI.

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I might go see the new Strange film just out of curiosity.

I found his character very unlikable in No Way Home. Actually, his character has been rather unlikeable is basically every film since the first. I'm baffled by this. Strange isn't the nicest guy in the comics either if I'm remembering right, but you'd think they'd want to give him at least a few redeeming qualities.

I'm curious if he's going to be nice in his films and a total dick in everyone else's XD

   
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Just got out of the theater and I really was not a fan of this one. The movie is so incredibly rushed, it's go go go the whole way through. Nothing breathes at all. I wasn't a fan of the tone either, I think I just really don't like Sam Raimi's style.

Spoilered criticism below.

Spoiler:
There are a lot of surprise appearances that are totally squandered. Oh look it's Professor X! And now he's dead. Oh look it's Reed Richards! And now he's dead. Oh look it's Black Bolt! And... Now he's dead. It's the Ralph Bohner thing all over again. Stop showing me these characters unless you're actually going to do something meaningful with them.

Wanda herself was totally nonsensical here. She clearly felt remorse at the end of her show when she released the citizens of Westview and ended her fantasy when she realized she was hurting people to keep her family together, and then in this movie she... continues to want to hurt people to keep her family together. It just doesn't make sense. If she's willing to do all this to get to her kids, why on earth did she ever leave Westview?

The initial destruction of the Darkhold was so pointless. The survivor from the battle at the beginning just stabs it, but it's totally cool because there's a tower up in the mountains with all the same spells and junk. Like... why? It's so needless.



Phase 4 definitely feels pretty aimless. I don't really feel like they're trying to build up to anything.
   
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Just got back from seeing it again. Still awesome.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
sadly your link isn't working (Oops! We ran into some problems. The requested thread could not be found.)
Oh right, that part of the forum isn't public. Forgot about that.

Well then...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I love Wanda.

She is easily one of my fav characters from the MCU, and she has my fav scene in all of Endgame, where she damned near kills Thanos and the Mad Titan has to cheat to beat her.

I also thought that Wandavision was truly inspired television, something Marvel has not matched with their television efforts except with Loki (and perhaps the character of Moon Knight, if not his show), only marred by a horrifically bad finale that glosses over what Wanda did, with flying shooting matches, missing characters, sudden heel turns (like a dude opening fire at children for no reason) and one of the worst lines ever delivered in the MCU.

So, having said all of the above:




AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! VINDICATION!

And boy did it come quick.

Anyway, spoilers...

Spoiler:
There are four things that stick out in this film to me, above everything else:

1. America Chavez was quite under-cooked. She was a MacGuffin half the time, and whilst her characterisation was fine, she felt more like a means to an end than a real character. Maybe that'll change in the future.

2. I picked the ending halfway through, and the climax almost from the start. Chekov's dead Strange body was too damned obvious, and as soon as Charles came face to face with "Suppressed Wanda" stuck inside her own mind, I knew it'd be her that stopped real Wanda's rampage.

3. There's a concept from the comics I love that I never, not even in my wildest dreams, would have ever predicted as actually coming true:

H.B.M.C., post: 55608346, member: 10 wrote:Incursions


And it came true! Like holy gak, they're doing Incursions. And not even just a minor plot point, we have Reed Richards himself explain the concept, we go to a post Incursion reality, and right at the end mother fething Clea shows up to get Strange because he caused an Incursion. I think this is amazing. I couldn't be happier.

4. When Spider-Man: Homecoming came out they played a big orchestral version of the Spider-Man cartoon theme over the Marvel Studios logo. It was a wonderful touch to start that movie, and afterwards I thought that, should Marvel ever get the X-Men back, I would love the first MCU X-Men movie to get an orchestral version of the 90's X-Men theme to play over the Marvel Studios logo in that film. Well, we haven't got there yet, but holy gak did we get the 90's X-Men theme playing as yellow-hover chair Professor X entered the scene. I was elated.

So despite my first two points sounding quite down, I really really liked this film. The more I think about it, the more I realise just how much it worked. Not perfectly mind you, but I loved the way it used so many of the characters - even Christine! - so well. I was surprised that Wanda is the Big Bad from very early on in the film - I thought that'd happen later on - but no, she's super dangerous and near unstoppable and I thought it was a wonderful turn for the character.

A lot of people are going to bitch about the characterisation, but this felt completely on point for me. Sometimes good people go bad. Other Wanda fans need to accept that. And then some people will go to far, and start trying to blame "sexism" for the reason Wanda went bad (it's happened in this thread already), but thankfully most normal people can ignore those that lack any real perspective. The only thing that sucked about Wanda in this film is that an alternate Wanda defeated Wanda, and that I think that's the end of Elizabeth Olson in the MCU.

This was a fantastic arc for Stephen Strange. He gets to see himself several times, and he learns that his tendencies might be correct, but they are inherently destructive. Tony Stark's arrogance was kind of endearing, and most people could play it off as "Oh! That Tony! Such a character!". Strange's arrogance on the other hand is a multiversal threat, and one that Illuminati Strange even fully admitted. The end where Strange decides that killing Chavez and taking her power to fight Wanda isn't the only way (unlike giving Thanos the Time Stone) was really cool. As was the part where Doctor Strange possessed the dead rotting alternate body of himself and formed a magical cloak out of the souls of the damned. Like... what the feth people??? It's that and the literal music fight that reminded me that this wasn't Doctor Strange in an MCU film, but a fethin' Doctor Strange film!

Wong was cool. Nice to see him still being very competent and not reduced to comic relief.

The Illuminati. Some people have said that there appears to be no points in introducing this group of characters just to kill them off. I say that their deaths were obvious from the moment we found out about them. Why? Because you can't have this specific group of characters in the MCU, otherwise every film from now on will be "When will they show up again?" "Will the Illuminati be in this movie?" "Is Mephisto behind it all?" (ok, maybe not that last one...). They have to die so that they don't become a distraction within the MCU.

That doesn't mean that those characters (Reed, Professor X, mother fething BLACK BOLT ( ), etc. ) can't appear in the MCU later down the line, it just can't be these specific characters as part of this Illuminati. They had to die.

And die they did... whoa boy... Black Bolt just goes pop! I love we got to see his powers (on Titan, after they've killed Thanos), but he didn't last long (but it is a good week to be Anson Mount, that's for sure!). We got mental "waves" from Prof X. like in the cartoon, which was nice. Reed was fun, I liked him and I really hope that the reason they haven't announced Krazinski as the MCUs proper Reed Richards is because they didn't want to spoil the surprise in this film. It's always great to see Haley Atwell (man, her, Olson and McAdam's in one film... sheesh! ), and her death was almost as brutal as Reed's and Bolt's. I like this version of Captain Marvel, the whole "Been there, done that, you don't scare me!" attitude. Lame death though ("Giant statues! My one weakness!").

A few other under-cooked things. Rintrah. Just why? I'm all for taking your audience for granted in some instances; creating stories that don't always explain themselves and asking your audience to just keep up, but Rintrah needed some sort of explanation. Also, book of the Vishanti... that was a damp squib. Also no real Mordo. Nice to see him, sure, but I thought that it would have been our Mordo that fled to that reality to "warn" them of strange.


Overall, yeah, I thought this was great. I am super looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow.

BYE


 creeping-deth87 wrote:
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It's the Ralph Bohner thing all over again.
How? That was a case of "It's that thing you recognise... PSYKE! No it's not. It's a dick joke! LOL @ U!".

This was nothing even remotely like it.

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Finished the Moon Knight. I had no prior knowledge about the character so it was all new and fresh to me. I really liked the first two episodes but 3rd and 4rth were rather weak, and almost made me to stop watching the rest. I am glad that I did not do that. 5th and 6th really made up for the weakest parts, and the ending post credit scene was hilarious. I do not think there is a need for a new season but I would definitely would like to see a full movie about the character, or should I say characters
   
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 LordofHats wrote:
I might go see the new Strange film just out of curiosity.

I found his character very unlikable in No Way Home. Actually, his character has been rather unlikeable is basically every film since the first. I'm baffled by this. Strange isn't the nicest guy in the comics either if I'm remembering right, but you'd think they'd want to give him at least a few redeeming qualities.

I'm curious if he's going to be nice in his films and a total dick in everyone else's XD


You may end up really enjoying it.

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Spoiler:


We need the Book of Vishanti to beat Wanda! (nope, the power was inside America this whole time)
We need to destroy the Darkhold to stop Wanda! (nope, it was a copy and Wong will gladly tell you where the original is to save some random lives the movie doesn't care about, even though he knows she will use it for massive evil)
I can't control my powers! Yes you can! Even from the beginning, everything has brought you to now! (HOW!? Wanda wasn't a threat...maybe six years ago when America first jumped? She's only run into two other Doctor Stranges in 70ish jumps)
There are multiples of everyone across the multiverse except me. (and lady Loki)
The earth's mightiest heroes, The Illuminati, are mercilessly slaughtered. (Christine is relatively unphased [maybe it'll hit harder when she gets back to her universe and they try to come to grips with what happened])

The multiverse cheapens a lot of emotional investment in characters.

It was kind of a fun ride at times, but stupid.


   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
I might go see the new Strange film just out of curiosity.

I found his character very unlikable in No Way Home. Actually, his character has been rather unlikeable is basically every film since the first. I'm baffled by this. Strange isn't the nicest guy in the comics either if I'm remembering right, but you'd think they'd want to give him at least a few redeeming qualities.

I'm curious if he's going to be nice in his films and a total dick in everyone else's XD


You may end up really enjoying it.


Might have to watch Wandavision first. I kind of skipped over it cause the premise didn't grab me but if she's a big part of this movie I might as well binge it for the details.

   
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Wong was cool. Nice to see him still being very competent and not reduced to comic relief.

For all that Wong only has bit parts in other films, in many ways he's far more competent and interesting than... almost anyone else in the MCU.

He reminds me of departmental secretaries in university academic departments. Ie, the only person who can get things done, and has to do all the basic stuff for a bunch of people with no common sense or basic competency with normal things like booking flights, making copies and organizing meetings.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How? That was a case of "It's that thing you recognise... PSYKE! No it's not. It's a dick joke! LOL @ U!".

This was nothing even remotely like it.


They're both cheap, throwaway cameos that serve absolutely no purpose. 'See this other character you love from the Fox superheroes? We brought him back too! For... something...'

It's literally exactly the same thing.
   
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That's not what "literally" means. And but they 100% did serve a purpose.

They were another step on Stephen's arc of realising that:

1). There can be multiple solutions to things.
2). He doesn't always have to be the one holding the knife.

The Illuminati were just as set in their ways as Stephen was, unwilling to or incapable of listening to any possible other interpretation of events: Strange is always the most dangerous person. We can handle Wanda. We know best.

Only Xavier realised that there was an alternate path (which Mordo was angry at him for).

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Spoiler:
We're not talking about the Illuminati serving a purpose, we're talking about the Patrick Stewart cameo serving a purpose - would you like some help moving those goal posts? You could have ripped him right out of the movie and lose absolutely nothing. That's why it's gakky. That's why Ralph Bohner was gakky. It's the same thing. Don't show me these characters again if you're going to immediately write them off after they appear.

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Spoiler:
Well, to be fair here. Ralph and Xavier are not THOSE characters. In Xaviers case he is a variant from a world that has inhumans, sorcerers, the fantastic 4, Thanos etc etc...

Not a version of xavier we have EVER seen on screen.

And in Ralphs case he never was, never would be, was ever actually intended to be, her actual brother or the character that you saw in those other movies. He wasn't a guy that was summoned from another universe. He was just a man that was enchanted and mind controlled.

So... you were never shown the thing you are upset about not being given purpose. The people who showed up served exactly the purpose they were meant to in the very limited capacity that we ever saw them. You might as well be upset that we never saw Troll Loki or Marathon Runner Loki outside of a hologram.

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Spoiler:
'They were never those characters' rings very hollow because they made a conscious decision to bring back those specific actors for those specific characters. It's the cheapest, lamest kind of fan service.

Not sure what you're on about with Troll Loki or Marathon Runner Loki. I don't know those characters from another cinematic universe I've been watching for the last 20 years.

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Saw a gif of Wanda vs The Illuminati. What a joke. They really did peak with Infinity War.

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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
'They were never those characters' rings very hollow because they made a conscious decision to bring back those specific actors for those specific characters. It's the cheapest, lamest kind of fan service.

Not sure what you're on about with Troll Loki or Marathon Runner Loki. I don't know those characters from another cinematic universe I've been watching for the last 20 years.


Those were two of the variant lokis from the Loki series. But I guess the point of having cameos is usually just to have them.

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