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 Mr_Rose wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Anyone know why the thunderhawk is two cards wide? Haven’t got the book.


What do you mean "two cards wide"? Did I miss something (again)?

The Aircraft and Aces card set for the Marines has eight Thunderhawk cards but they have two designs; one with just the picture and one with just the stats. I assumed they were to be played together, possibly meaning you had twice as many slots for upgrades.

I think it’s just an aesthetic choice. They wanted to include a picture but couldn’t fit it on top of the stats. So they made an additional card just for the picture, which you don’t need to play.


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Sarouan wrote:
 Stormonu wrote:
How many folks don't attach the missiles to their ships, and just keep count of them on the record sheet?

I picked up some of the models, and after thinking about it, will probably leave the missiles off. I mean, I don't think anyone removes them from their model after they're actually fired, so it wouldn't be WYSIWYG anyways...


I think people who play the current AI use rather the "rule of cool" and build them with missiles if it looks good to them.

Missiles are usually not worth their cost in points in the game, anyway.


At least with the recent Space Marine and Eldar aircrafts, the question doesn't need to be asked (there's nothing to put under their wings, it's all generic with the exception of the Phoenix that has a single variant barely visible).

For Eldar it‘s the additional weapons. I glued them under all my Eldar planes because they look better this way. Does not mean I‘m taking them in every game.

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chaos0xomega wrote:yes, not just that but GW/FW sculptors have explained in the past that that is not how digital sculpting works and they have to recreate 90%+ of the models from scratch at each different scale.


People can even test this at home if they have a 3D printer. Take a full 28Heroic/32mm scale file and print it at 25% size without any changes, then see how well the detail and strength of the model holds up.
   
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 Jack Flask wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:yes, not just that but GW/FW sculptors have explained in the past that that is not how digital sculpting works and they have to recreate 90%+ of the models from scratch at each different scale.


People can even test this at home if they have a 3D printer. Take a full 28Heroic/32mm scale file and print it at 25% size without any changes, then see how well the detail and strength of the model holds up.

Or take it the other way and print it at 4× and see how ridiculous the proportions and how chunky the “fine” details look. It’s like the old school Forge World busts they used to do; the icons on marine shoulder pads were designed to look like sheet metal dished into shape then affixed with screws; those sheets and details would disappear if scaled down, and trying to maintain them requires them to be exaggerated or it will compromise the sculpt.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Jack Flask wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:yes, not just that but GW/FW sculptors have explained in the past that that is not how digital sculpting works and they have to recreate 90%+ of the models from scratch at each different scale.


People can even test this at home if they have a 3D printer. Take a full 28Heroic/32mm scale file and print it at 25% size without any changes, then see how well the detail and strength of the model holds up.

Or take it the other way and print it at 4× and see how ridiculous the proportions and how chunky the “fine” details look. It’s like the old school Forge World busts they used to do; the icons on marine shoulder pads were designed to look like sheet metal dished into shape then affixed with screws; those sheets and details would disappear if scaled down, and trying to maintain them requires them to be exaggerated or it will compromise the sculpt.


Given the old AI was only slightly smaller than the current AI, I imagine they could scale up the Hellblade, Hell Talon and Harbinger without too much reworking.

We're only talking a 30% increase in size on a kit that used to be resin and now would become plastic. I'm not saying there'd be *no* work to adapt it, but having to recreate 90% would be a massive exaggeration. More difficult would be adapting it from resin (where undercuts are allowed) to plastic, from memory the Hellblade for AI was a single piece model.

I don't know whether GW would have CAD on those models, maybe, I think that was roughly when they started using CAD. From memory the Valkyrie was a CAD model and that predates AI.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Jack Flask wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:yes, not just that but GW/FW sculptors have explained in the past that that is not how digital sculpting works and they have to recreate 90%+ of the models from scratch at each different scale.


People can even test this at home if they have a 3D printer. Take a full 28Heroic/32mm scale file and print it at 25% size without any changes, then see how well the detail and strength of the model holds up.

Or take it the other way and print it at 4× and see how ridiculous the proportions and how chunky the “fine” details look. It’s like the old school Forge World busts they used to do; the icons on marine shoulder pads were designed to look like sheet metal dished into shape then affixed with screws; those sheets and details would disappear if scaled down, and trying to maintain them requires them to be exaggerated or it will compromise the sculpt.


Given the old AI was only slightly smaller than the current AI, I imagine they could scale up the Hellblade, Hell Talon and Harbinger without too much reworking.

We're only talking a 30% increase in size on a kit that used to be resin and now would become plastic. I'm not saying there'd be *no* work to adapt it, but having to recreate 90% would be a massive exaggeration. More difficult would be adapting it from resin (where undercuts are allowed) to plastic, from memory the Hellblade for AI was a single piece model.

I don't know whether GW would have CAD on those models, maybe, I think that was roughly when they started using CAD. From memory the Valkyrie was a CAD model and that predates AI.


The FW valkyrie kit was far before CAD. GW did change it over when they made the plastic kit, but FW was a lot later in adopting CAD sculpting. I want to say that it was the Warlord Titan that was the first big CAD sculpt that FW did. And I think some of the Heresy SM tanks were adapted over and remastered, I sort of recall the original Spartans and similar hulls having separate parts for tracks originally, but I might be imagining that.
   
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/28/blow-your-enemies-out-of-the-skies-with-the-first-ever-plastic-thunderhawk-gunship/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Facebook&utm_term=ThunderhawkRules281021&utm_content=ThunderhawkRules281021&fbclid=IwAR04pAOVwzE7pl-2fK-7drr24B1cfeCH-EVBQo74MuwV93Nq4hrkpGwTDFg


"First Ever Plastic Thunderhawk Gunship."

First.

40k scale plastic T-hawk? Transporter version for AI? alternate verison with Battle Cannon?

What can it mean?
   
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MarkNorfolk wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/28/blow-your-enemies-out-of-the-skies-with-the-first-ever-plastic-thunderhawk-gunship/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Facebook&utm_term=ThunderhawkRules281021&utm_content=ThunderhawkRules281021&fbclid=IwAR04pAOVwzE7pl-2fK-7drr24B1cfeCH-EVBQo74MuwV93Nq4hrkpGwTDFg


"First Ever Plastic Thunderhawk Gunship."

First.

40k scale plastic T-hawk? Transporter version for AI? alternate verison with Battle Cannon?

What can it mean?


I think you’re reading too much into that.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
MarkNorfolk wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/28/blow-your-enemies-out-of-the-skies-with-the-first-ever-plastic-thunderhawk-gunship/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Facebook&utm_term=ThunderhawkRules281021&utm_content=ThunderhawkRules281021&fbclid=IwAR04pAOVwzE7pl-2fK-7drr24B1cfeCH-EVBQo74MuwV93Nq4hrkpGwTDFg


"First Ever Plastic Thunderhawk Gunship."

First.

40k scale plastic T-hawk? Transporter version for AI? alternate verison with Battle Cannon?

What can it mean?


I think you’re reading too much into that.


Seemed a popular thing to do - I'd thought I'd see what it was like :-)
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
MarkNorfolk wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/28/blow-your-enemies-out-of-the-skies-with-the-first-ever-plastic-thunderhawk-gunship/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Facebook&utm_term=ThunderhawkRules281021&utm_content=ThunderhawkRules281021&fbclid=IwAR04pAOVwzE7pl-2fK-7drr24B1cfeCH-EVBQo74MuwV93Nq4hrkpGwTDFg


"First Ever Plastic Thunderhawk Gunship."

First.

40k scale plastic T-hawk? Transporter version for AI? alternate verison with Battle Cannon?

What can it mean?


I think you’re reading too much into that.


"What do they mean by that?"


   
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The Thunderhawk is quite impressive, 8 structure points and a fantastic range of weapons, going to be a tough advisory.

The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused. 
   
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They're up on GW's site now. Though they haven't appeared on the 3rd party store I normally buy from yet.

Looks like I was wrong on the Fire Raptor, GW did something completely different and made a sprue with only 1 Fire Raptor but are including 2x sprues in the box.


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The Thunderhawks went out of stock pretty quick in Oz.

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I've only just realized the Thunderhawk was changed at some point, when did that happen? Much prefer the previous version with the different tail and side turrets.
   
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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I've only just realized the Thunderhawk was changed at some point, when did that happen? Much prefer the previous version with the different tail and side turrets.


About 4 years ago it was updated.

I preferred the protruding bird cage style canopy of the old one, or even more I preferred the one with wind screen wipers from the old old one (the metal one of the 90's). The flush style canopy of the current one doesn't look right to me.
   
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The Thunderhawk disappeared fairly quickly from the US site as well. Makes me wonder if it was delayed and pulled off pre-order...
   
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 schoon wrote:
The Thunderhawk disappeared fairly quickly from the US site as well. Makes me wonder if it was delayed and pulled off pre-order...


I managed to order one from an independent store (though most listed it as out of stock, so I hope I actually receive it).

I'm guessing they either didn't make many, and/or they underestimated how many people would want a tiny plastic Thunderhawk.

It's the sort of kit some people who aren't into AI might buy just to have on the shelf, or perhaps AT players would buy it as terrain or an objective marker. So if they only made as many as they make other AI kits, perhaps that's why it sold out quickly.




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Yeah I don't play AI you you can be sure I wanted a Thunderhawk just because it would look incredible on my Titanicus board.

Alas it's out of stock in Canada as well. I'm not one to rant about GW much but c'mon, they didn't expect a plastic THawk would need some extra kits?!

   
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Somehow I foresee a Warhammer+ show called...

THUNDER HAWK!

...and it would be something like this...



Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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 Commander Cain wrote:
Yeah I don't play AI you you can be sure I wanted a Thunderhawk just because it would look incredible on my Titanicus board.

Alas it's out of stock in Canada as well. I'm not one to rant about GW much but c'mon, they didn't expect a plastic THawk would need some extra kits?!


Yeah, it's nice that it's got the landing gears too, perfect for AT.

Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.  
   
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There exist also rumours for a Expansion of AT with Airplanes.

How knows whan comes.
   
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RazorEdge wrote:
There exist also rumours for a Expansion of AT with Airplanes.

How knows whan comes.


That is exactly what I'd like to see. If GW wants to release such a book then I'm happy to invest in it.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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RazorEdge wrote:
There exist also rumours for a Expansion of AT with Airplanes.



It's been speculated for a while, at least in part because AT and AI are the same scale. But there hasn't been anything more than that to date.
   
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RazorEdge wrote:
There exist also rumours for a Expansion of AT with Airplanes.

How knows whan comes.


Strongly doubt it will happen. AT is set during the HH, so the Imperial planes of AI would be completely wrong. It would require a whole new range of HH era planes.

Think the rumour is wishful thinking by those who want Epic back. Can't say I blame them, but I doubt we are getting Epic back.

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So wait, they didn't have fire Raptors, thunderhawks, & Xiphons in 30k? Huh I always thought they did.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
So wait, they didn't have fire Raptors, thunderhawks, & Xiphons in 30k? Huh I always thought they did.


I think Fire Raptors are in 30k, but the rest of the Imperial planes are if I remember correctly different.

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 stonehorse wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
There exist also rumours for a Expansion of AT with Airplanes.

How knows whan comes.


Strongly doubt it will happen. AT is set during the HH, so the Imperial planes of AI would be completely wrong. It would require a whole new range of HH era planes.

Think the rumour is wishful thinking by those who want Epic back. Can't say I blame them, but I doubt we are getting Epic back.


But at the same time, nearly all AT titans are entirely correct for 40k.

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Xiphons are deff 30k craft.

Is there no room in the game for a Chaos vs Dark Eldar expansion? Or a Chaos vs The Rest Of the Eldar We Forgot expansion?

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 stonehorse wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
So wait, they didn't have fire Raptors, thunderhawks, & Xiphons in 30k? Huh I always thought they did.


I think Fire Raptors are in 30k, but the rest of the Imperial planes are if I remember correctly different.


I thought there was fluff of Thunderbolts going back to 30k, but maybe I'm mistaken.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
So wait, they didn't have fire Raptors, thunderhawks, & Xiphons in 30k? Huh I always thought they did.


I think Fire Raptors are in 30k, but the rest of the Imperial planes are if I remember correctly different.


I thought there was fluff of Thunderbolts going back to 30k, but maybe I'm mistaken.


The Primaris/Voss lightning existed in the heresy for sure. Can't remember if the thunderbolt, avenger, and marauder are in one of the black or red books though.
   
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Weren't there chapters in The First Wall in the Siege of Terra series?

There were definitely Storm Eagles in Mortis/Warhawk, I've just gone from one to the other and can't remember which they were mentioned in.

Since they have Leman Russ, Chimeras etc that any imperial equipment is pretty fair game for HH
   
 
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